If you are making something like 200 euro per year by selling an app the requisite of registering for a "ditta individuale" falls off. But my address would be still there published because of this law
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Developers Must Share Phone Number and Address on EU App Store to Meet 'Trader' Requirement Starting in October
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Apple decide to ignore what EU is actual requiring and from whom. Here is beginning of section about contact info in DSA:
So if your enterprise has less then 50 employees you don't apply to this requierment
Why should I? I don't sell anything on the App Store. If I did, I would set up a business to do it, complete with a registered address, like all businesses do.
This is a good move. Frankly, there are too many apps on the App Store, sold by kids in their bedrooms. It should be a serious business, with known actors who can be contacted. Like it is for any other kind of established business.
And you think bad developers are going to give honest information? This just hurts the little guy no matter how you try and spin it.
Bottomline : If you’re european, don’t be a lone indie developper. Be a big corporation. Be Facebook or be nothing.
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I suggest all indie developers find a politician that voted for this, and add that person as a contact to their their “company” Put the address and private phone number of that politician. When they get 2000 support phone calls every day, they might realise that the idea wasn’t so good.
Why should indie developers have to put out all their personal contact information?
I think that every time a politician makes a public statement, their private phone number should be shown (in news papers, TV etc).
I don’t buy anything from them, but they do handle my tax money for purposes that I don’t always agree with, so they should be a good example of showing their private home address and phone number too.
Why should indie developers have to put out all their personal contact information?
I think that every time a politician makes a public statement, their private phone number should be shown (in news papers, TV etc).
I don’t buy anything from them, but they do handle my tax money for purposes that I don’t always agree with, so they should be a good example of showing their private home address and phone number too.
To state the obvious, …unless $75 a month is a significant amount of what you make.
But I’m interested in whether Article 29 actually does exempt micro and small businesses. That would be much better.
i think at this point, if you’re making less than 75 € a month from your app, your choice is to either start giving it for free ( and have a non-trader status), or just pull out from the EU market.
Depends on if Article 29 actually excludes micro and small businesses from Section 4 requirements.
I don’t think it does. On the appstore, i can see plenty of apps that seem developed by just one person , with their full name, address and phone . So it seems everyone is forced to do so.
Even though the MR article just mentions it today, the law has been in effect since March i think.
I totally agree with you. In fact, I urge all developers who disagree with this to delete their apps from all platforms in the EU. I think the EU will hear people's dissatisfaction and I damn hope the iOS App Store and Google App Store will go back to normal. **** the EU!
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Good, the most annoying trend for companies now is to hide their contact info in the depths of the abyss never to be found. So hard to just find a general contact number for companies, even then the stupid auto voice annoys the hell out of you and if you select the wrong option it hangs the call up.
Should be a law in general that all companies that trade and sell to the public need a point of contact via phone that is answered without any automated options to select. Route 1 is someone picks up the phone and fines should be given if they don't maintain it efficiently.
Should be a law in general that all companies that trade and sell to the public need a point of contact via phone that is answered without any automated options to select. Route 1 is someone picks up the phone and fines should be given if they don't maintain it efficiently.
You assume everyone posting on macrumors is by default a good person and cares about other people's privacy or wellbeing. When I read hostile comments, anti people and/or pro corpo I take it at face value.
Wow this stuff is soviet style. Meanwhile politicians...
If there are two people in an apartment building with the same first and last name and one of them moves to a new address, how does the mail service know which mail to forward to the new address?
Same here. I removed all my apps from the EU. The hassle wasn’t worth the relatively small sales numbers.
You would have no legal recourse regardless, because almost every EULA say something to the effect that the developer assumes zero responsibility for damage caused by using the software.
What are the different addresses? The discussion was about apartments (in this case in Germany) not having apartment numbers. Does each apartment have a unique street number, then?
I’m right there with you. My apps are my “hobby business” and don’t generate nearly enough income to justify the expenses I’d incur for “proper” business resources. I will simply opt out of any opportunities with the EU market. It’s just so surprising to me that the EU would snub individual-run businesses this way in favor larger ones.
I like the idea in theory, but there are probably many unintended consequences and more holes than swiss cheese in the implementation.
Great, so you force everyone to get a PO Box. Any developer that doesn't really care about their users will just sign up for a PO box that they never check. Same for the phone number. Buy a prepaid burner phone that you never answer.
Scammers? Most malicious apps likely originate in countries that couldn't care less about fraud happening to others, like Russia, China, Iran, etc. Hell many of them are probably state sponsored themselves. So I'm pretty sure you aren't going to really be deterring them.
You're probably not actually solving the problems that you are trying to solve, just adding a minor inconvenience to everyone.
In the Netherlands, where I live, sole proprietors have the right to have their private details unpublished. This was initiated because of artists and celebrities that often are registered as a sole proprietor company.
Therefore you can have a different address registered at the chamber of commerce, as long as it is NOT a PO Box but a physical address.
I, as a small indie dev, have registered a post forwarding service ($6 per month) as my address and Apple accepted it. Also I used a prepaid SIM card for a phone number ($10 once) and Apple accepted it. I have used a noreply@ e-mail address which will be verified by Apple but I disabled it afterwards.
The thing I do not know is wether a non-functioning phone number, e-mail address are allowed by the EU, nor do I know if an address where my company is not present is allowed.
OTOH I am also a YouTuber and have already had someone at my door before my new fake address was registered, even though I am small potatoes with only 500 subscribers.
I value my privacy and safety higher than the very tiny chance that the EU will fine me for not providing true contact information.
Therefore you can have a different address registered at the chamber of commerce, as long as it is NOT a PO Box but a physical address.
I, as a small indie dev, have registered a post forwarding service ($6 per month) as my address and Apple accepted it. Also I used a prepaid SIM card for a phone number ($10 once) and Apple accepted it. I have used a noreply@ e-mail address which will be verified by Apple but I disabled it afterwards.
The thing I do not know is wether a non-functioning phone number, e-mail address are allowed by the EU, nor do I know if an address where my company is not present is allowed.
OTOH I am also a YouTuber and have already had someone at my door before my new fake address was registered, even though I am small potatoes with only 500 subscribers.
I value my privacy and safety higher than the very tiny chance that the EU will fine me for not providing true contact information.