USB-C is the port to rule them all. The reason why all devices don’t have TB3 is because of cost. TB3 requires a controller for every 2 ports. But guess what? USB 4.0 will bring USB-C/TB3 to all very soon. Again Apple was ahead of the curve and this should increase the longevity of all of the TB3 Macs.
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USB-C is the port to rule them all. The reason why all devices don’t have TB3 is because of cost. TB3 requires a controller for every 2 ports. But guess what? USB 4.0 will bring USB-C/TB3 to all very soon. Again Apple was ahead of the curve and this should increase the longevity of all of the TB3 Macs.
The following cameras have USB-C built-in:
Nikon Z-7
Canon EOS R
Phase One XF IQ4
Fujifilm XT-3
Source: https://tethertalk.com/2018/09/07/why-are-new-cameras-featuring-a-usb-c-data-port/
BlackMagic Pocket Cinema 4K (2019) - https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera
Various Panasonic mirrorless cameras have a USB-C port, for at least charging. I hook up my FZ-2500 via a Micro-USB to USB-C cable...not getting USB-C's benefits, but it works.
I think you are resisting change because you're comfortable with your setup, which is fine, but change is coming regardless. After all, it is the one constant in life.
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I want my Zip and Jazz drives
Some guy hooked up a USB Zip drive to an iPad Pro running iPadOS and it mounted. Eject wasn’t available, but that’s a Radar submission. Search YouTube.
Sensing some xenophobia in your comment. Have any concrete evidence it is solely macOS and iOS as people jump ship to AndroidOS, ChromeOS, Linux OS or even WindowsOS. Hmm didn't iOS use to keep prompting one to upgrade, and I believe WindowsOS has changed this finally. MacOS also provides the option to delay install. Walking in the store to obtain an appointment or pre-booking one only to wait around for another 20-30 mins to be seen, and depending on how it goes it will ether take 30 mins to an hour to repair, get it replaced or wait for days for it to be shipped out for repair work. Support indeed
We are not perfectly fine but we have no option
like the butterfly keyboard...
like no physical ESC key...
like touchbar (all Macbook Pro are TB only)...
I hate to say it, Macbook Pro are one of those devices who have the balls to call themselves pros but provide little options
Absolutely re: the keyboard and Touch Bar issues. But the ports complaints are silly.
(PS: keyboards suck, and the touchbar actually makes the machines worse if you are a touch typist - took me a year to stop accidentally brushing my fingers over the stupid thing)
I think I've read somewhere that USB4 Standard is TB4 but once again it will be hard to swallow because it will drive the cost high for other devices. Like for example a printer, it will be pointless for it to use TB3 standard when its only task is to transfer data for printing and this is addressed by USB2 standard and the cost is very low. So with this, USB3 will be with us for a long time. Thunderbolt were design for desktop/laptop but not for peripherals. Imagine a mouse using Thunderbolt 3
Maybe desktop/laptop/tablet/phones will be using Thunderbolt technology but not peripheral devices. It would be very funny for Arduino (very affordable MCU for almost anything) to use Thunderbolt because it wont become affordable anymore.
More and more devices will be changing to USB-C connection if the cost is lesser than USB-A connection. But like I said USB-A/USB3.0 will here to stay. I think the average lifetime of a Macbook is 5 years and within 5 years starting today lots of devices will still be using USB-A connection and thats one reason why you should still have a USB-A in Macbook Pro specially the laptop is for professional's who have different requirements and needs.
Are you gloating? yes, it seems the world revolves around you, all conferences rooms offer what you are accustomed to
Best machines, hmm subjective. What you are doing, not sure never asked and maybe.
Ah yes another one of those in my world I use USB-C and everyone just has to deal with it, entitled much.
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Not all users want a thermal throttled laptop either
We are talk about adding not substituting! Adding two more ports (USB-A) is not a big deal! Besides the CPU already has the connections natively (4)! You're not stealing any PCI lanes. Two for the ports and one for the SD card slot.
So having two more port holes in the case is going to kill you? Come on let's get real!
The aim from what has been leaked is a high end system not a mid or low tier system. Getting back the ports is what we need. Over 30 people have agreed with my original post.
Well I've gotten used to the keyboard but I might have a problem with TB. Still I might end up getting a Macbook Pro 15 because I need its mobility and computing power and like I said I don't have much an option unless I'm going Dell XPS 15 which has Windows not that Windows is a bad OS but I'm more into UNIX like system. Apple in this context is not giving me much when it comes to hardware choices.
No professional presenters here, I see. HDMI is not sufficient, we need VGA port as well to cover all presenter situations. As one of my colleagues recently noted: "VGA is more reliable them HDMI". I agree, and reliability is key when it comes to presentations.
Strange that thin bezels is so desirable, it is just cosmetics and has very little function except a little bit more sceee are. It looks "modern" but so does a computer with small and few holes for ports.
A 16 inch MBP, seems odd to introduce without having some spectacular features. No-keyboards and ports are not spectacular.
I rather see that they took the old 17 inch, make a thin bezels XDR screen (18.5"? 4K), good thermals for "silent" operation or to maximise GPU and CPU. Add an optional downscaled afterburner card for the video editing crowd. Now that is worth paying 3000 USD for - starting price.
or...
Even more interesting would be a 2-1 where the keyboard and Touch Bar is replaced with a "side car-ed" iPad for completely other kinds of inputs such as simulated wheels, sliders, time lines, WACOM replacement and a software keyboard for the odd mail.
However, I would be surprised if Apple showed any courage to reinvent the laptop so we probably get a slightly larger screen and a new keyboard and nothing else. How boring!
Strange that thin bezels is so desirable, it is just cosmetics and has very little function except a little bit more sceee are. It looks "modern" but so does a computer with small and few holes for ports.
A 16 inch MBP, seems odd to introduce without having some spectacular features. No-keyboards and ports are not spectacular.
I rather see that they took the old 17 inch, make a thin bezels XDR screen (18.5"? 4K), good thermals for "silent" operation or to maximise GPU and CPU. Add an optional downscaled afterburner card for the video editing crowd. Now that is worth paying 3000 USD for - starting price.
or...
Even more interesting would be a 2-1 where the keyboard and Touch Bar is replaced with a "side car-ed" iPad for completely other kinds of inputs such as simulated wheels, sliders, time lines, WACOM replacement and a software keyboard for the odd mail.
However, I would be surprised if Apple showed any courage to reinvent the laptop so we probably get a slightly larger screen and a new keyboard and nothing else. How boring!
I think that wouldn't be all that bad, but I'm really looking forward to seeing 13 inch Macbook Pro being given the same treatment.
Also windows laptops are scary expensive these days so apple charge doesn't seem all that bad to be honest.
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What a hassle, uh? People like to complain for everything.
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So Apple expects its sheep customers to dish out yet another $3,000 to fix the design problems with current generation models? Attention sheep customers... instead of flushing $3,000 down the toilet, invest that $3,000 APPL or TSLA stock and you'll have a free MacBook Pro next year.
Unfortunately, there are a still a lot of things that require USBA like wireless dongles for mouse/keyboard/peripherals, software keys...
I think I've read somewhere that USB4 Standard is TB4 but once again it will be hard to swallow because it will drive the cost high for other devices. Like for example a printer, it will be pointless for it to use TB3 standard when its only task is to transfer data for printing and this is addressed by USB2 standard and the cost is very low. So with this, USB3 will be with us for a long time. Thunderbolt were design for desktop/laptop but not for peripherals. Imagine a mouse using Thunderbolt 3
Maybe desktop/laptop/tablet/phones will be using Thunderbolt technology but not peripheral devices. It would be very funny for Arduino (very affordable MCU for almost anything) to use Thunderbolt because it wont become affordable anymore.
More and more devices will be changing to USB-C connection if the cost is lesser than USB-A connection. But like I said USB-A/USB3.0 will here to stay. I think the average lifetime of a Macbook is 5 years and within 5 years starting today lots of devices will still be using USB-A connection and thats one reason why you should still have a USB-A in Macbook Pro specially the laptop is for professional's who have different requirements and needs.
Huh? I think you’re confused. USB is backwards compatible! The only difference here is the port! Some USB 4.0 peripherals will take advantage of high bandwidth and others won’t. Are all peripherals 10 Gbps because USB 3.1 gen 2 is?
Professionals are much more likely to embrace better tech than consumers. If you work with video and aren’t taking advantage of TB3 then I don’t know what kind of professional you are!
Because even though you might have all USB C devices, other people you work with may not. Printers at work, flash drives people give you, two factor authentication keys and so on. Microphones as well, for example the Blue Nano that I use from amazon has a USB to mini USB cable inside the box.
I would have one USB A and three USB C instead of the current four USB C ports.
Sure, two more USB 3.1 Gen 2 ports would be great, even though I am not fond of odd numbers. One on either side that would be handled by the PCH, which would be very helpful...but “no more USB-A ports on any MacBook, Air or Pro. If Apple doesn’t get rid don’t mind two more port holes on a MacBook, but I don’t want them wasted on USB-A. Sure SDXC isn’t the end of the world, so they can add that, and move the headphone jack to the left side. No MagSafe, no Ethernet, no HDMI...all those can be handled via adapters/cables.
You are correct with all of that, but I understood it already. I was just counting on everyone to stay within the context of the discussion as it related to upcoming Macs. No worries.
Likewise, I expect the people dragging their feet on Thunderbolt 3 in a USB-C connector would prefer their USB standard to be >1.0, even though they’re only saying “USB-A.”
Buy a USB-C to USB-Micro cable for your Blue Nano and you’re done. They are about $8.00 at Amazon. I have one for my digital camera. A dongle handled the rest.
I have a MacBook Pro that has a swelling battery problem to where I can't use the trackpad and it almost doesn't close. I'd like to replace it soon™ and this looks like a proper candidate for me to purchase if it does release.
