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DigiTimes: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Will Feature Narrow Bezels and Launch in September
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Interesting and I hope it is supported once iPadOS GM is released.
http://www.loopinsight.com/2019/06/25/ios-13-an-iphone-and-an-iomega-zip-drive-will-it-work/
Pretty neat, here is hoping an eject button is added or an unmount and then manually eject.
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Actually the Apple logo would be great to introduce mLED display technology.
It would be nice for Apple to back track a bit by adding some ports other than USB-C. 16" MBP is probably too thin to support any ports other than USB-C.
And I also wouldn’t be surprised if the price for the 14” will begin where the 13” ends but I feel at that high of a price point, it deserves getting a discreet GPU this time around.
I don’t think raising the price of the entry MBP is a bad thing. Because it will most certainly push the average consumer to the MacBook Air where Apple has conveniently lowered the price.
Probably true. But the value of a computer is what it can do and not what it looks like.
Yep. New cables. New monitors. New speakers. New keyboards. New projector. New projector everywhere I give a presentation. New everything I charge via USB. Surprisingly cheap.
"Dude you got a Dell" (TV commercial reference). Seriously though a high end gaming laptop has better cooling than a MacBook Pro? The next thing you're going to tell me is a Ford Explorer has more passenger and cargo room than a Porsche 911.
you compare apple with oranges. That 2070 max-q card from the guy is way more powerful than the silly Vega 20
Over the past years MacBooks lack in GPU power and if you are in need for Nvidia CUDA you are out of luck. So Razer or alike companies are kicking butt. I wish the new MacBook 16 would feature at least something equivalent to the 2080 max-q card or Quadro5000 max-q. But those will be dreams and never happen. Apple is not a company any longer for graphic professionals.
I think I've read somewhere that USB4 Standard is TB4 but once again it will be hard to swallow because it will drive the cost high for other devices. Like for example a printer, it will be pointless for it to use TB3 standard when its only task is to transfer data for printing and this is addressed by USB2 standard and the cost is very low. So with this, USB3 will be with us for a long time. Thunderbolt were design for desktop/laptop but not for peripherals. Imagine a mouse using Thunderbolt 3
Maybe desktop/laptop/tablet/phones will be using Thunderbolt technology but not peripheral devices. It would be very funny for Arduino (very affordable MCU for almost anything) to use Thunderbolt because it wont become affordable anymore.
More and more devices will be changing to USB-C connection if the cost is lesser than USB-A connection. But like I said USB-A/USB3.0 will here to stay. I think the average lifetime of a Macbook is 5 years and within 5 years starting today lots of devices will still be using USB-A connection and thats one reason why you should still have a USB-A in Macbook Pro specially the laptop is for professional's who have different requirements and needs.
A device isn't going to cost more, that's absurd. A printer has no use for Thunderbolt 3, you simply change out the cable. A hard drive won't cost more, you simply change out the cable unless they include one for free. Western Digital did for me. A webcam won't cost more, but you may need a USB-C-<->USB-A adapter as most webcams have a captive cable. An Arduino doesn't need Thunderbolt 3 and won't cost more to connect to a USB-C port, but it would need a $6.65 USD cable like this - https://www.amazon.com/CableCreatio...SB+2.0+Type+B&qid=1564426009&s=gateway&sr=8-8
Correct, no mouse uses Thunderbolt 3 and there is no need. That wired mouse will work just as well with a USB-C port as it will with a USB-A port and won't cost any more to the end user than the cost of a simple adapter for a captive cable mouse. A few manufacturers are even making USB-C mice now. Most mice are wireless anyways. Logitech simply needs to make a USB-C version of their dongle and be done with it. I prefer Bluetooth, but that's just me.
The beauty, if not elegance, is that a Thunderbolt 3 port can simply act as a USB port when a USB peripheral is attached to it. I have no Thunderbolt 3 peripherals, simply a single CalDigit TB3 Mini Dock. But I connect my USB 3.0 WD Passport drive via a USB-C cable to my 2016 MBP to do Time Machine backups. I hook up my Scarlet 18i8 via a USB 2.0 Type-B to USB-C cable. I hook up and charge my Apple Watch with Apple's USB-C to Watch cable and I can hook up my Brother MFC to my MacBook Pro via the same USB 2.0 Type-B to USB-C cable as well, if I wanted.
The point is that none of these devices can take advantage of USB-C or Thunderbolt 3 speeds and functions, but they did not cost me any more to purchase than they would anyone else using USB-A. I simply bought the correct cable to use them with my 2016 MacBook Pro and moved on with my life. Your argument make no sense.
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I’m an electrical/optical engineer and most of the leading edge laser, filter, etc. modules still use serial port for command communications.
No more lighted Apple logo...sheesh. I cannot shut that damn thing off in a darkened room and I don't want it on, it's a distraction for countless reasons. I really don't want to put a sticker over it as that affects resale value when it comes time to sell and I cannot get all the residue off. I don't want to advertise that I am using an Apple product and that thing is like a damn Bat signal. Let it go!!!!!!
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DB-9 Serial, yes? I have the cable for that. https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matter...9Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
I used a DB-9 to USB-A and then plugged it into an Apple USB-C to USB-A adapter and it worked fine for me.
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Question: why would apple give us almost exactly the same size screen, with similar pixel count, and same screen technology within months of the upgraded 15"?
Logically, there must be a reason why the 15" w/ butterfly still exists, and why it is rumored to continue to be refreshed in 2020. Reason? It isnt being replaced by the 16"!
So we know the 16" is a different tier. But is it higher or lower?
Apple can reduce the price quite a bit just by using a cheaper LCD panel. And if they make this panel ever so slightly bigger, people will overlook the fact that its color accuracy and viewing angle arent quite as good.
If they allow tye thing to be a little bit thicker and heavier, they would reduce costs even more.
But they could also be making the most almighty macbook ever seen, for the 1% who actually needs more power. Following along the lines of the new Mac Pro....
We dont know which way that have gone, so to early to let your butt hurt over it.
Both ends don’t need to be USB C, you just get a cable that uses whatever port you currently have one one side and USB C on the other, no dongles, no wacky solutions, you just plug and play like you do now.
I think they will call it the MacBook Pro XDR - Higher Resolution Displays with better contrast. Will play off the same marketing as the Pro Display XDR Marketing.
Future lineups will look like this:
Fall 2019 Lineup
$999 13" MacBook Air
$1299 13" MacBook Pro
$2399 15" MacBook Pro
$2999 16" MacBook Pro XDR (New Slim Bezel Design)
Fall 2020 Lineup
$999 13" MacBook Air
$1299 13" MacBook Pro
$1799 14" MacBook Pro XDR (New Slim Bezel Design - introduced at WWDC 2020 replacing the 15")
$2799 16" MacBook Pro XDR (Slim Bezel Design)
Fall 2021 Lineup
$999 13" MacBook Air
$1299 12" MacBook Air XDR (New Slim Bezel Design/ARM Processor)
$1599 14" MacBook Pro XDR
$2599 16" MacBook Pro XDR
Fall 2022 Lineup
$999 12" MacBook Air XDR*
$1299 14" MacBook Pro XDR*
$2399 16" MacBook Pro XDR*
*might drop the XDR at this point
Future lineups will look like this:
Fall 2019 Lineup
$999 13" MacBook Air
$1299 13" MacBook Pro
$2399 15" MacBook Pro
$2999 16" MacBook Pro XDR (New Slim Bezel Design)
Fall 2020 Lineup
$999 13" MacBook Air
$1299 13" MacBook Pro
$1799 14" MacBook Pro XDR (New Slim Bezel Design - introduced at WWDC 2020 replacing the 15")
$2799 16" MacBook Pro XDR (Slim Bezel Design)
Fall 2021 Lineup
$999 13" MacBook Air
$1299 12" MacBook Air XDR (New Slim Bezel Design/ARM Processor)
$1599 14" MacBook Pro XDR
$2599 16" MacBook Pro XDR
Fall 2022 Lineup
$999 12" MacBook Air XDR*
$1299 14" MacBook Pro XDR*
$2399 16" MacBook Pro XDR*
*might drop the XDR at this point
We have different ecpectations, but manufacturers dont agree with us.
Windows thinks "we" want our computers to work like phones...and thinks "we" really like being corralled into an Apple style walled garden.
Manufacturers dont invest unless they are pretty sure, so somebody is encouraging this merger between phones and computers.
I suspect the millenials are on board, but the older ones amongst us are unhappy with the change. It shouldnt be surprising.
Christ almighty, there’s still people complaining about MacBooks being usb-c only? Just buy a $40 expansion hub and be done with this. And if $40 goes above your budget I’m surprised how could you afford a MacBook Pro in the first place, and what kind of professional you are if you can’t cover the cost of two pizzas and a beer for something you’ll need to get work done.
The current MacBook lineup have many flaws and it’s arguably one of the worst lineups ever, but I don’t see usb-c ports being the issue.
The current MacBook lineup have many flaws and it’s arguably one of the worst lineups ever, but I don’t see usb-c ports being the issue.
i think this is spot on. I am not so sure about the XDR branding but the price is right. Apples prices have maxed out to what people are willing to spend. Same with the iphone. Tim even said as much during the annual share holders meeting when answering why sales have dropped. The 16 will be more at first but will drop the following year.
i will personally stick to the 15 2019 version as i am one of the very few who actually like the butterfly keys.(i type faster on them). Failures not withstanding for others, has not failed on me yet since my 2017 model to the 2019 model.
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My Nikon Z6 has USBC built in (so do the latest Sony models - not sure about Canon). It also uses an XQD card which I have trouble fitting into an SD slot. Should I use a dongle to make that connection?
Yes, the Music hardware industry is notoriously backwards. I blame the love of vacuum tubes. It doesn't mean I want a MacBook with a CRT.
If you want the fastest best connection today, that is USBC. When you go to get those gigabytes of 50MP images off your camera, it is faster. When you want to download the 8K video, it is faster.
You don't have to throw out a 100K MRI machine, you just plug it into the hub/dock just like you used to do because no laptop ever made has enough ports for anyone with a fair number of peripherals.
And eventually, it will all be wireless, just like the printers where people like you fought tooth and nail to cling to that damnable parallel port.
Problem with your little rant is, many have tons of USB-A peripherals that work just fine, thank you very much. So your comment about "peripherals you're buying by now" blithely suggests "just buy new ones", is that it?
I thought it was correct to be all eco-this-and-that and not mindlessly consume new things and dump the old in the landfill? Geez, ppl need to make up their minds!
Do those without USB-A devices not realize their C ports will still work if A is installed?
Yes, but since 2016 over three years have passed and those cables /adapters etc, if new then, are worn and at the end of 'service life' now. Sure, these things can hang on for many years yet, but the thriving accessory ecosystem / market shows people buying every few years. So, anything since 2016 needed to be bought, if bought with USB-A is a short sighted decision (in my books). They became 'an old port' the second C started coming on all new devices. Even the cheapest PCs now have one thrown in. Tl;dr: They don't last forever, when replacing buy C or it's your fault they don't fit your new tech (since it's now 2019, a long time since the move in 2016).
When peoples well used A peripherals reach the end of their service life (and are recycled - saved upsetting the eco guys), buy new modern ones! That means Type-C ;-) No waste needed. To take it to extremes... thicker chassis on machines with A rips more new metal from the ground, bad for earth?! (weak argument there though)
Yeah, they still work. Your WiFi would still work if a floppy drive was still fitted to your laptop too, only difference is it'd be an inch thick. In 2019, love it or hate it, millimetres matter. Type C only to Type C plus Type A is a few mm thicker, we all know Apple won't give in to that... not for a legacy port like Type A.
I mean, whichever side of the debate you're on, don't forget the large amount of people who are happy to move on to Type-C (the standard) and ditch Type-A (the legacy). It's the case with the current MBP, and it'll be no different on the next model, which will take us right into 2023.. I'm saying the benefits of the nice sleek, light, thin MB's at the minute are apparent every time I use it, whereas the lack of Type-A these days seldom bothers me once in a fortnight. Only when I find something on an old Type A drive or something, but then that's my fault for not migrating it over to a modern location.
Yes, these are my use case scenarios, not everyones.. That's the point of my post. Your 'bring back TypeA' use cases aren't everyone's either. Backed by phenomenal sales of Type C only devices..
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Show me your numbers on that? Other than a very vocal, captive (relatively small) audience on here, which other significant group demands Type A back?
USB-C is the standard in 2019. If you're happy to save money and buy an external hard drive with say Type A only, then don't misinterpret that as C not being the standard. Those accessories are widely sold now in stores in the UK and US, no longer 'niche' and not over priced as initially they were.
The connector wasn't designed by Apple, but Intel. It's thin because devices now are thin. It's superior to Type A physically and technically in every way. I'm no expert, and neither are you, but the experts wouldn't have rushed the connector design. I don't see it having any issues Type A didn't have.. what are they in your opinion?
Yes, everything Apple does is constantly mocked as 'worst' etc as you've done yourself, and yet, if that were true (and EVERY Apple decision since Tim Cook) was truly disastrous, why would they be one of the most profitable, successful and admired companies in the world? ... ~unjustified hate, called out, and backed up..
standard with the max of six peripherals?????I think I've read somewhere that USB4 Standard is TB4 but once again it will be hard to swallow because it will drive the cost high for other devices. Like for example a printer, it will be pointless for it to use TB3 standard when its only task is to transfer data for printing and this is addressed by USB2 standard and the cost is very low. So with this, USB3 will be with us for a long time. Thunderbolt were design for desktop/laptop but not for peripherals. Imagine a mouse using Thunderbolt 3
Maybe desktop/laptop/tablet/phones will be using Thunderbolt technology but not peripheral devices. It would be very funny for Arduino (very affordable MCU for almost anything) to use Thunderbolt because it wont become affordable anymore.
More and more devices will be changing to USB-C connection if the cost is lesser than USB-A connection. But like I said USB-A/USB3.0 will here to stay. I think the average lifetime of a Macbook is 5 years and within 5 years starting today lots of devices will still be using USB-A connection and thats one reason why you should still have a USB-A in Macbook Pro specially the laptop is for professional's who have different requirements and needs.
My Olympus gear only offers mini USB, I stand corrected! I just don't monitor other camera systems that much.
There's literally BILLIONS of USB-A devices still in use. What we didn't need was Apple being a dick nickel & diming customers for adapters. Seems you & 40+ others like being dicked by Apple.