We bought a mac mini and put in the office for doing iOS builds. Then we can all share the same machine for doing builds. This is great because the machine is in the exact state we left it when doing the build and we can control the updates to all the software compared to our laptops which may have a mind of their own on when SW updates happen that conflict with development. My next step is figuring out how to connect to the mac mini from windows or linux and then I will be able to ditch MacOS as my personal machine.
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We bought a mac mini and put in the office for doing iOS builds. Then we can all share the same machine for doing builds. This is great because the machine is in the exact state we left it when doing the build and we can control the updates to all the software compared to our laptops which may have a mind of their own on when SW updates happen that conflict with development. My next step is figuring out how to connect to the mac mini from windows or linux and then I will be able to ditch MacOS as my personal machine.
Not me. Apple robs us as it is. You would take a heavy loss, for one inch of screen real estate? Thats like throwing your money away.
That's a 18 E upgrade in the budget, 500 Euro Thinkpad E480, by the way.
Hardly warrants calling it in an upgrade over the Iris Pro, except for marketing purposes.
I do wonder, what will Apple do after they achieve ZERO bezel width, and a thinness that is only constrained by having to have a keyboard at all. My guess is they’ll bring back the bezel, this time on each side of the screen and maybe one or two extra ones on the back of the monitor, and one on the bottom of the case, which can be operated from below by anyone equipped with a sufficiently dexterous appendage located there. THIS TIME, HOWEVER, those bezels will have TOUCH BARS ON THEM, and Apple will charge you a lot MORE for that “functionality”.
But that is, of course, a guess.
Maybe they’ll make the screen and body thicker, and put the touch-bar bezels on the EDGES, facing generally OUT, TO ... not to make them better, but rather just to further differentiate Apple in the marketplace. Sounds like something they’d do, doesn’t it?
But that is, of course, a guess.
Maybe they’ll make the screen and body thicker, and put the touch-bar bezels on the EDGES, facing generally OUT, TO ... not to make them better, but rather just to further differentiate Apple in the marketplace. Sounds like something they’d do, doesn’t it?
Because the Apple gods are still shipping USB-A charge cables for iPhone.. thats why.. all USB thumb drives are still USB-A, USB3 external portable drives are USB-A, I don't need 2, but gimme one at least.
Uh, no, in fact it does not sound like something they would do, at all....in fact, I had to read it twice to understand what you were actually suggesting.
I agree that it needs work but I think it is a good concept;. I don't get the hate for it beyond the loss of physical function keys; if you don't like it don't use it. BTT shows what it could be if APPLE decided to develop it more fully and expand its capabilities.. Adding haptic feedback would be nice, since it would restore some of the feel of real keys such as function keys..
Well, here are some from MacRumors:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ipad-pro-screen-is-a-fingerprint-and-smudge-magnet.2054342/
That's often a challenge anytime someone uses two different UIs. I find myself having to remember OS X and Window's differences whenever I go back and forth. I have similar issues when I use a keyboard with my iPad - I keep looking for the trackpad.
Much of what you describe revolves around finer control than a finger offers; which is why I think a touch screen would be pretty much useless beyond pressing buttons. Apple could introduce the Pencil to the Mac but that would be a really weird solution to lack of fine positioning ability. In the end, the Mac UI is simply not designed for touch and bolting on a kludge is not a good idea. That's not to say the UI won't evolve and ultimately merge with iOS, but it is nowhere near ready for touch; and if and when it does it is likely to be far different hardware and user experience than we have with either today.
I've used touch with Win10 and once the novelty wears off it is pretty much useless, IMHO.
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Let's not forget parallel, SCSI and Firewire.
So I bought the 2019 Macbook Pro in June. I believe I'm past my return period. I was about to put Applecare on it til I saw this as I'm a video editor and trying to get as much performance as possible. What would you do in this situation? Try to sell on craigslist or ebay?
Either way, I may wait on the Applecare and give it up for now.
Pry open your wallet and buy a few cables, an adapter and your done. The last HDD I bought came with both cables (USB-A and USB-C). I bought $30 worth of cables for my assorted equipment needs and if you’re judicious, you don’t even need to spend that much. Thumb drives now come is combo USB-A/USB-C versions. I have a ton of USB-A, so I bought an adapter to have just in case.
Good work... now do a model with no touch bar and i'll consider it 
USB-C i may get used to, so that would be in the 'maybe pile.
USB-C i may get used to, so that would be in the 'maybe pile.
Yeah, we got it, we got it, Touch Bar bad...is this post set up to post automatically?
Pretty sure it’s here to stay...needs more work by Apple though...they didn’t quite finish all the work that they needed to do.
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Good work... now do a model with no touch bar and i'll consider it
It’s called the 2015 MacBook Pro...you can still get a refurb, if you watch closely enough. Otherwise, the Touch Bar and USB-C is here and now...your maybe pile is quaint, but irrelevant.
I don't give two S*&^ about how much it costs to buy any of this stuff, why should I have to pack so many stupid adaptors with a damn laptop? It's meant to be portable and simple, and it was. This was never about my wallet or the costs involved. Do you know what the number one selling adaptor is? the one with USB-A and SD card reader. So go and tell me, if every single person had to buy an adaptor then why get rid of it. This isn't a CD rom drive, I couldn't wait for them to get rid of that thing. Also if USB-A was so outdated why the heck are they still shipping the same damn charge cable and same charge plug with USB-A? There is no speed gain since USB-A has USB 3.1 speed
Well, it depends. It used to be a better matter. But since Tim Cook took over, with his policies of ever-increasing prices, coupled with increasing taxes and a sky-high dollar, Brazil has become a not very good market for Apple products.
Tim Cook's policy seems very clear to me.
Steve Jobs took over as Apple CEO in 1997 and resigned in January 2011. During this period, the "Pro" line of laptops suffered a steep price decline, going from an entry price of over USD 5,000 to only USD 1,799 (for the 15-inch model).
Tim Cook is doing the opposite. He took over as CEO in 2011, when the entry price of Apple's 15-inch line of Pro laptops was USD 1,799, and now it is USD 2,399.
It seems to me that the focus of Steve Jobs was to bring innovative but also affordable products. Apple's products were competitive and usually priced below competitive high-end products. Tim Cooks seems to focus on offering the best of the best, even though not completely innovative, and pricing accordingly.
The breakdown is as follows, and it is possible to notice a clear path from 1997 to 2011 (price decreases), and then from 2011 to 2019 (price increases):
PowerBook G3:
12-inch PowerBook G3 (November 1997): USD 5,700
14-inch PowerBook G3 (May 1998): USD 3,499, USD 4,399, USD 5,599
14-inch PowerBook G3 (September 1998): USD 2,799, USD 3,499, USD 4,999
14-inch PowerBook G3 (May 1999): USD 2,499, USD 3,499
14-inch PowerBook G3 (February 2000): USD 2,499, USD 3,499
PowerBook G4:
15-inch PowerBook G4 (January 2001): USD 2,599, USD 3,499
15-inch PowerBook G4 (April 2002): USD 2,499, USD 3,199
15-inch PowerBook G4 (November 2002): USD 2,299, USD 2,999
15-inch PowerBook G4 (September 2003): USD 1,999, USD 2,599
15-inch PowerBook G4 (April 2004): USD 1,999, USD 2,499
15-inch PowerBook G4 (January 2005): USD 1,999, USD 2,299
15-inch PowerBook G4 (October 2005): USD 1,999
Original MacBook Pros:
15-inch MacBook Pro (January/February 2006), USD 1,999, USD 2,499, USD 2,799
15-inch MacBook Pro (October 2006), USD 1,999, USD 2,499
15-inch MacBook Pro (June/November 2007), USD 1,999, USD 2,499, USD 2,799
15-inch MacBook Pro (February 2008), USD 1,999, USD 2,499, USD 2,749
Unibody models:
15-inch MacBook Pro (October 2008), USD 1,999, USD 2,499, USD 2,799
15-inch MacBook Pro (March 2009), USD 2,499, USD 2,799 (previous USD 1,999 model remained)
15-inch MacBook Pro (June 2009), USD 1,699, USD 1,999, USD 2,299, USD 2,599
15-inch MacBook Pro (April 2010), USD 1,799, USD 1,999, USD 2,199, USD 2,399
15-inch MacBook Pro (February 2011), USD 1,799, USD 2,199, USD USD 2,449
15-inch MacBook Pro (October 2011), USD 1,799, USD 2,199, USD 2,449
15-inch MacBook Pro (June 2012), USD 1,799, USD 2,199, USD 2,449
Retina models:
15-inch MacBook Pro (June 2012), USD 2,199, USD 2,799, USD 3,049
15-inch MacBook Pro (February 2013), USD 2,199, USD 2,799, USD 3,049
15-inch MacBook Pro (October 2013), USD 1,999, USD 2,099, USD 2,299 [IG], USD 2,599, USD 2,799 [DG]
15-inch MacBook Pro (July 2014), USD 1,999, USD 2,099, USD 2,299 [IG], USD 2,499, USD 2,699 [DG]
15-inch MacBook Pro (May 2015), USD 1,999, USD 2,099, USD 2,299 [IG], USD 2,499, USD 2,699 [DG]
Touch bar models:
15-inch MacBook Pro (October 2016), USD 2,399, USD 2,799, USD 2,999
15-inch MacBook Pro (June 2017), USD 2,399, USD 2,799, USD 2,999
15-inch MacBook Pro (July 2018), USD 2,399, USD 2,799, USD 3,099 (Vega options releaded in November 2018, USD 3,049, USD 3,149, USD 3,349, USD 3,499)
15-inch MacBook Pro (May 2019), USD 2,399, USD 2,699, USD 2,799, USD 2,999, USD 3,049, USD 3,149, USD 3,249, USD 3,349
16-inch model: USD 3,200 and up (?)
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The point is most out of the out box connection for peripherals uses micoUSB/miniUSB to USB-A and that will not change anytime soon. Most USB Flashdrive uses USB-A and that will not change anytime soon. Can I ask something why is it hard to accept that there are still tons of peripherals out there that requires USB-A. If Thunderbolt can do almost anything why do you need 4 ports of them? Why cant we have a USB-A port on the other side and the other side is USB-C? Why can't we have SDCard or microSDCard reader? I think the answer to that is aesthetic. Perhaps Johny and Apple doesn't want thier Macbooks with lots of holes on the side and it is a displeasing look for them and for that they gimp a laptop which is supposed to be for professional. If it is for thinness, Dell XPS 15 was able to put a lot of ports but still thin enough for mobile professional computer.
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The point is manufacturers will not adapt to using USB-C ports anytime soon because they don't have incentive in doing so and it will cost them because they will need to change their manufacturing processes if they change to USB-C port.
There are other professional uses for a laptop other than video editing? I am not against Thunderbolt 3 I am even more than happy having the technology. My only gripe is for a professional laptop, Macbook Pro has very little option for providing connectivity.
We'll need to wait and see what Apple does. Over 40 people agree with me though in wanting the ports added.
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The issue is adding two USB-A ports & SC Card slot, not getting rid of the USB-C ports. The issue is the dam dongles, hubs and adapter cables. Why do we need to fight with the mess when its so easy to just have the ports natively on the system from the start!
A portable system has two thrusts, a minimalist design (the current MacBook Pro's) for the people who just don't need ports that often and then you have the heavy I/O folks like me who are constantly using the ports with many different devices.
This is the market that was forgotten! Just like the Mac Pro group who finally got what they need. All we want is the same here the system that meets our needs. There is no reason both groups can't get what they need. I'm suspecting this 16.5" system is exactly that! A heavy pro's not a light weight Pro. BTW over 40 people agree with my original posting. You don't see anyone pressing on USB-C only getting even more than five agreeing. So many are wanting the ports back.
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A friend of mine was so bothered by always hitting it by mistake he made a card stock cover setup with a tape hinge and he doesn't get distracted by its altering as well.
I have no problem accepting that there are still lots of peripherals that come with USB-A, but that doesn’t mean they need USB-A. If Thunderbolt 3 didn’t have the added functionality of acting as a simple USB port, then it would be a very different conversation. But it does and there is simply no need for USB-A to continue to exist. I would be a happy clam to see USB-A disappear from all of Apple’s devices, but we know that it will be a while before that happens.
I want four ports of Thunderbolt 3 because I can add up to four eGPUs or two eGPUs and a Thunderbolt 3 Dock with 10GbE and a Thunderbolt 3 SSD or 1 eGPU, a USB audio interface, a Thunderbolt 3 SSD and a USB-C dock with USB-A and an SD Card slot, etc. or any of dozens of other configurations.
I honestly don’t care if Apple adds the SD Card reader back to the MBP, but full size SD Card, not microSD.
The MacBook Pro is not gimped...it is loads more versatile and customizable than the 2012-2105 model. I don’t need USB-A for much anymore and the sooner I either replace the cables and get rid of USB-A, the better.
Why am I and so many others so adamant that USB-A go away and that Apple not backtrack on the MacBook Pro and push even harder to get rid of it on their desktops as well, is because no port should be allowed to become sacrosanct and immune to ever being replaced. In the year 2019, we are still dealing with VGA ports that should have died out 10 years ago, but keeps hanging on like some awful undead thing that cannot be killed. USB-A is not immune to being replaced by something better and more versatile. I don’t lament FireWire dying the fairly quick death that it did. I didn’t hear anyone cry out in anguish when Express Card/34 went poof, I sure as heck didn’t lament when the parallel port and the serial port got replaced by USB 1.1, but boy oh boy, the same complaints I hear now echo those who complained mightily about how the parallel and serial port weren’t going anywhere...it took a while and DB-9 still hangs on, but it is nowhere near the importance it used to be, thank God!
Good for Dell...read the specs and nowhere near as versatile as the MacBook Pro. I am curious to know if they devoted all x16 lanes of PCIe to that GTX1650 to appease gamers and is shoving everything else through the PCH or if they do what Apple does and gave it x8 lanes.
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Yeah, I am still trying to figure out how people are hitting the Touch Bar by accident, I have had my 2016 for nearly 8 months and have yet to do that...
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Just give us the dam ports back!
Tell that to Apple's Pro Workflow Group who have all of those ports and more in the new Mac Pro and iMac Pro.
Just give us the dam ports back!
- 2 - USB-A
- 4 - USB-C
- Rear USB-C ports (L&R) recessed to accept flush MagSafe Plug & cable with charge LED
- Ethernet & SD Slot
Tell that to Apple's Pro Workflow Group who have all of those ports and more in the new Mac Pro and iMac Pro.