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Ughhh, I literally just bought the updated 15' MacBook less then two months ago...
Oh wow, your grandkids will probably be paying for that purchase for the next 45 years! And how do you carry THAT around, on the top of your car? You should put wheels on it and just DRIVE it around. It should have tons of battery power, that's for sure!

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We'll need to wait and see what Apple does. Over 40 people agree with me though in wanting the ports added.
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The issue is adding two USB-A ports & SC Card slot, not getting rid of the USB-C ports. The issue is the dam dongles, hubs and adapter cables. Why do we need to fight with the mess when its so easy to just have the ports natively on the system from the start!

A portable system has two thrusts, a minimalist design (the current MacBook Pro's) for the people who just don't need ports that often and then you have the heavy I/O folks like me who are constantly using the ports with many different devices.

This is the market that was forgotten! Just like the Mac Pro group who finally got what they need. All we want is the same here the system that meets our needs. There is no reason both groups can't get what they need. I'm suspecting this 16.5" system is exactly that! A heavy pro's not a light weight Pro. BTW over 40 people agree with my original posting. You don't see anyone pressing on USB-C only getting even more than five agreeing. So many are wanting the ports back.

USB-A is simply a waste of space on any laptop anymore. No PC OEM will ever get rid of USB-A, because the market is too cutthroat and every sale matters to them, even with crap margins...they will be held hostage by their users forever. How else can anyone explain why the VGA port hangs on well past its expiration date and how I can still find PCI slots on select Intel motherboards...in 2019! Good grief...let it go.

How two USB-A ports and an SD Card reader suddenly make the world all better is hilarious to me. You have four USB ports on the 2016-2019 MacBook Pros, so you actually gained two USB ports, especially if you never used the Thunderbolt 2 ports on the 2012-2015. Sure, Apple can give you back the SD Card if that helps, but no more USB-A. I certainly don’t believe that Apple will waffle on this with the next round of MacBook Pros. I’ve had to listen to this crap for 2-1/2 years and USB-A brings nothing worthwhile to the table to have them backtrack now.
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Just give us the dam ports back!
  • 2 - USB-A
  • 4 - USB-C
  • Rear USB-C ports (L&R) recessed to accept flush MagSafe Plug & cable with charge LED
  • Ethernet & SD Slot


Tell that to Apple's Pro Workflow Group who have all of those ports and more in the new Mac Pro and iMac Pro.

All those ports on the 2019 Mac Pro are Thunderbolt 3...It only has two USB 3 Type-A ports on a removable card. Hopefully, some enterprising company will replace that PCIe card with something more useful. Ditto for the iMac Pro. I would love to see those USB-A ports all replaced by USB-C ports in the next revision. Either way, both have way more space to accommodate USB-A Ports than the MacBook Pros and Apple cannot waste valuable space on the MacBook Pro with something as useless as USB-A ports.
 
So I bought the 2019 Macbook Pro in June. I believe I'm past my return period. I was about to put Applecare on it til I saw this as I'm a video editor and trying to get as much performance as possible. What would you do in this situation? Try to sell on craigslist or ebay?

Either way, I may wait on the Applecare and give it up for now.
First, try speaking to Apple about returning your MacBook Pro even though you're past the return period. Say something like you can't afford it and you've got rent to pay or something. Say something that will make them consider giving you a refund. DO NOT SAY "Oh I heard rumours of a redesigned MacBook Pro with a new keyboard and I want to get that instead."

If that doesn't work out, just sell it locally (avoid Ebay because of their fees and other BS).
 
Most of the rumors just say its a 16" screen, beyond that they are guessing. My guess, its a 16" version of the former 12" MacBook. Its not trying to compete with the 8 core 15. More of a ultralight with a big screen, for browsing, photo editing, and Apple TV.
 
The touch-bar need some fixes like adding haptic feedback, resurrect the MagSafe in the form of USB-C and it’s a horrible omission during its 3 iteration of update.

Tim Cook is definitely worse than you thought and that’s a bad sign for the customer and humanity.
 
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I agree that it needs work but I think it is a good concept;. I don't get the hate for it beyond the loss of physical function keys; if you don't like it don't use it. BTT shows what it could be if APPLE decided to develop it more fully and expand its capabilities.. Adding haptic feedback would be nice, since it would restore some of the feel of real keys such as function keys..

Some people like physical keys some don't, it reminds me of the iPhone with virtual keyboard and Blackberry with a physical keyboard. The present implementation of the TouchBar seems like a gimmick, can it improve that all depends on Apple. Who knows here today gone tomorrow, look at 3D Touch being replaced with Haptic on iPhone. For some the physical F keys are a productivity option, while on iPhone no one would claim they use the virtual keyboard for productivity, though I have observed some who are excellent thumb typist. :eek:




Observations and opinions from 2 years ago :eek: I had an iPad Pro 12.9" and the only time the smudges were a bother was when sunlight hit it and I see it on a dark screen or it turned off. When the screen is ON, no problem as Apple has been selling iPad for years and it is the only successful tablet on the market I would not consider it a big issues from a few forum members. Even though my MBP is not a touch screen I usually wipe it with a microfibre cloth once a week.

Much of what you describe revolves around finer control than a finger offers; which is why I think a touch screen would be pretty much useless beyond pressing buttons. Apple could introduce the Pencil to the Mac but that would be a really weird solution to lack of fine positioning ability. In the end, the Mac UI is simply not designed for touch and bolting on a kludge is not a good idea. That's not to say the UI won't evolve and ultimately merge with iOS, but it is nowhere near ready for touch; and if and when it does it is likely to be far different hardware and user experience than we have with either today.

I've used touch with Win10 and once the novelty wears off it is pretty much useless, IMHO.

Hmm yet it seems Apple is trying to make an iPad into a notebook. Maybe the future ARM MacBook will have a touchscreen and merge the iPad Pro line, dunno.

macOS is not finger input friendly as the elements on screen are too small and narrow spaced, the cursor via mouse or TrackPad is supposed to mimic a virtual pointer or finger without touching the screen. The problem is that it is not personal or engaging as human interact with things in the physical world. When one presses a button you have a tactile feel, when one turns a knob you turn your fingers and depending wrist. These engaging feedback responses are lost completely with a cursor via TrackPad or mouse. A pencil narrows the gap as it is something we are very familiar with grabbing and holding things. When we interact with a touch display it is another form to narrow the gap as it represents moving virtual objects with a physical gesture. AirGestures feels like pseudo-telepathy, the problem with its present implementation is that it needs to be refined which will eventually happen. :)
 
USB-A is simply a waste of space on any laptop anymore. No PC OEM will ever get rid of USB-A, because the market is too cutthroat and every sale matters to them, even with crap margins...they will be held hostage by their users forever. How else can anyone explain why the VGA port hangs on well past its expiration date and how I can still find PCI slots on select Intel motherboards...in 2019! Good grief...let it go.

How two USB-A ports and an SD Card reader suddenly make the world all better is hilarious to me. You have four USB ports on the 2016-2019 MacBook Pros, so you actually gained two USB ports, especially if you never used the Thunderbolt 2 ports on the 2012-2015. Sure, Apple can give you back the SD Card if that helps, but no more USB-A. I certainly don’t believe that Apple will waffle on this with the next round of MacBook Pros. I’ve had to listen to this crap for 2-1/2 years and USB-A brings nothing worthwhile to the table to have them backtrack now.
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All those ports on the 2019 Mac Pro are Thunderbolt 3...It only has two USB 3 Type-A ports on a removable card. Hopefully, some enterprising company will replace that PCIe card with something more useful. Ditto for the iMac Pro. I would love to see those USB-A ports all replaced by USB-C ports in the next revision. Either way, both have way more space to accommodate USB-A Ports than the MacBook Pros and Apple cannot waste valuable space on the MacBook Pro with something as useless as USB-A ports.
VGA hangs on because people still find it useful. It’s not my favorite connector but apparently people still find it useful.
 
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Kuo believes the 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pro will live on with refreshes in 2020.

It wouldn't make sense for a 15-inch MacBook Pro to be refreshed when a 16-inch MacBook Pro is available, but then again, Tim Cook is an incompetent CEO who does plenty of things that don't make sense.
 
Why in gods name do you need USBA at this point?
b/c majority of peripherals still uses usb-a format.
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So, “Pros” don’t want a port with 40Gb/s throughput capable of:

- charging laptop
- converting to any legacy port
- daisy-changing
- driving external displays
- supporting audio
- all of the above simultaneously

And instead want a USB-A port capable of ... USB A?

Here’s the thing. If Apple decide what ports to have, somebody will be pissed. USB-A? Why not HDMI? DVI? MiniDisplay? Ethernet? Line In? FireWire?

You’ve got a port that can literally be any other port you need. What’s the issue? A $4 converter?
the issue is having one extra thing to carry around, my bag is crammed alrdy don't want to log dongles too.

why is it always either usb-c or no usb-c with you guys, usb-a still the most used port despite apple try moving away in 2016. why not have a combination of usba and usb-c with a hdmi port since thats not going away either. folks still use sd slot as well. this trend of forcing you to use usb-c only if you wanna stick with osx is ridiculous.
 
I have no problem accepting that there are still lots of peripherals that come with USB-A, but that doesn’t mean they need USB-A. If Thunderbolt 3 didn’t have the added functionality of acting as a simple USB port, then it would be a very different conversation. But it does and there is simply no need for USB-A to continue to exist. I would be a happy clam to see USB-A disappear from all of Apple’s devices, but we know that it will be a while before that happens.

I want four ports of Thunderbolt 3 because I can add up to four eGPUs or two eGPUs and a Thunderbolt 3 Dock with 10GbE and a Thunderbolt 3 SSD or 1 eGPU, a USB audio interface, a Thunderbolt 3 SSD and a USB-C dock with USB-A and an SD Card slot, etc. or any of dozens of other configurations.

I honestly don’t care if Apple adds the SD Card reader back to the MBP, but full size SD Card, not microSD.

The MacBook Pro is not gimped...it is loads more versatile and customizable than the 2012-2105 model. I don’t need USB-A for much anymore and the sooner I either replace the cables and get rid of USB-A, the better.

Why am I and so many others so adamant that USB-A go away and that Apple not backtrack on the MacBook Pro and push even harder to get rid of it on their desktops as well, is because no port should be allowed to become sacrosanct and immune to ever being replaced. In the year 2019, we are still dealing with VGA ports that should have died out 10 years ago, but keeps hanging on like some awful undead thing that cannot be killed. USB-A is not immune to being replaced by something better and more versatile. I don’t lament FireWire dying the fairly quick death that it did. I didn’t hear anyone cry out in anguish when Express Card/34 went poof, I sure as heck didn’t lament when the parallel port and the serial port got replaced by USB 1.1, but boy oh boy, the same complaints I hear now echo those who complained mightily about how the parallel and serial port weren’t going anywhere...it took a while and DB-9 still hangs on, but it is nowhere near the importance it used to be, thank God!

Good for Dell...read the specs and nowhere near as versatile as the MacBook Pro. I am curious to know if they devoted all x16 lanes of PCIe to that GTX1650 to appease gamers and is shoving everything else through the PCH or if they do what Apple does and gave it x8 lanes.
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Yeah, I am still trying to figure out how people are hitting the Touch Bar by accident, I have had my 2016 for nearly 8 months and have yet to do that...

How is a laptop more versatile with limited connectivity compared to other products.

You want 4 ports for Thunderbolt 3 so that you can add 4 eGPUs, GET A DESKTOP! With all those setup and dongles you want with your Macbook Pro you are much better in getting a desktop for cheaper price.

We are talking about a mobile PROFESSIONAL computing device. With regards to connectivity Macbook Pro is surely gimp compared to other products. Just be honest don't kid yourself. A professional laptop should not be limited when it comes to connectivity. At least you agree with that.

I don't have problems with my Macbook Air Retina with only 2 Thunderbolt 3 because I understand its use case scenario but for a Macbook Pro LAPTOP (its not a desktop) which should be a professional tool I expect it to be more versatile and provides a lot of options when it comes to connectivity. I should not be carrying a lot of dongles because it is supposed to be a mobile device. Forcing users to use dongles defeat the whole idea of having a mobile professional computing which should be free from those dongles. Users need to use a dongle just to connect their 2.4Ghz mouse.

I am just being objective here regarding this issue.
 
How is a laptop more versatile with limited connectivity compared to other products.

You want 4 ports for Thunderbolt 3 so that you can add 4 eGPUs, GET A DESKTOP! With all those setup and dongles you want with your Macbook Pro you are much better in getting a desktop for cheaper price.

We are talking about a mobile PROFESSIONAL computing device. With regards to connectivity Macbook Pro is surely gimp compared to other products. Just be honest don't kid yourself. A professional laptop should not be limited when it comes to connectivity. At least you agree with that.

I don't have problems with my Macbook Air Retina with only 2 Thunderbolt 3 because I understand its use case scenario but for a Macbook Pro LAPTOP (its not a desktop) which should be a professional tool I expect it to be more versatile and provides a lot of options when it comes to connectivity. I should not be carrying a lot of dongles because it is supposed to be a mobile device. Forcing users to use dongles defeat the whole idea of having a mobile professional computing which should be free from those dongles. Users need to use a dongle just to connect their 2.4Ghz mouse.

I am just being objective here regarding this issue.

You can just use a bluetooth mouse. That's the thing: IT'S NOT LIMITED AS IT CAN ADAPT.
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the issue is having one extra thing to carry around, my bag is crammed alrdy don't want to log dongles too.

why is it always either usb-c or no usb-c with you guys, usb-a still the most used port despite apple try moving away in 2016. why not have a combination of usba and usb-c with a hdmi port since thats not going away either. folks still use sd slot as well. this trend of forcing you to use usb-c only if you wanna stick with osx is ridiculous.

Hdmi may work for some, but not all of us. Not all monitors are hdmi, not all projectors have hdmi and no, not all of us need our TVs connected to pur laptops. You may have a piece of gear that works for you over hdmi, but it's not always the case.
The SD card on the other hand is the worst of the memory cards and some cameras use it as a backup or ditch it altogether.
 
Just give us the dam ports back!
  • 2 - USB-A
  • 4 - USB-C
  • Rear USB-C ports (L&R) recessed to accept flush MagSafe Plug & cable with charge LED
  • Ethernet & SD Slot

No. Just no.
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How is a laptop more versatile with limited connectivity compared to other products.

You want 4 ports for Thunderbolt 3 so that you can add 4 eGPUs, GET A DESKTOP! With all those setup and dongles you want with your Macbook Pro you are much better in getting a desktop for cheaper price.

We are talking about a mobile PROFESSIONAL computing device. With regards to connectivity Macbook Pro is surely gimp compared to other products. Just be honest don't kid yourself. A professional laptop should not be limited when it comes to connectivity. At least you agree with that.

I don't have problems with my Macbook Air Retina with only 2 Thunderbolt 3 because I understand its use case scenario but for a Macbook Pro LAPTOP (its not a desktop) which should be a professional tool I expect it to be more versatile and provides a lot of options when it comes to connectivity. I should not be carrying a lot of dongles because it is supposed to be a mobile device. Forcing users to use dongles defeat the whole idea of having a mobile professional computing which should be free from those dongles. Users need to use a dongle just to connect their 2.4Ghz mouse.

I am just being objective here regarding this issue.


It's 3 years later and you're still using the term dongles a bunch of times in a post. You do not need to use dongles, just buy the right cable!
 
If you want the fastest best connection today, that is USBC. When you go to get those gigabytes of 50MP images off your camera, it is faster. When you want to download the 8K video, it is faster.

No it isn’t. In USB mode, (unless you’re saying your camera has Thunderbolt) a USB-C cable provides exactly the same, single USB 3.1 gen 1 (functionally the same as USB 3.0) 5Gbps as a USB3 type A cable (which is probably faster than the flash storage in most devices anyway). Some higher-end devices offer 3.1 gen 2 at 10Gbps - but even that doesn’t need USB-C, many new PCs have A-type ports that offer 3.1 gen 2.

If you want faster USB then you’ll have to wait for USB 3.2 which can make use of all the wires in a USB C cable for USB data - and the good news is that your current USB C cables will support it. The bad news is that your computer, peripherals, hubs etc. won’t.

That’s part of people’s problem with USBC - all those new cables, adapters, hubs come with no practical benefit beyond the privilege of being able to plug them into your new Mac. Having disparate functions like Thunderbolt, DisplayPort and charging bundled into a single port may be useful on a phone or tablet, but on a larger device with room for discrete ports it’s just one more thing to go wrong.
 
Not me. Apple robs us as it is. You would take a heavy loss, for one inch of screen real estate? Thats like throwing your money away.

For some people the productivity gain of 1" of screen makes a huge improvement to their workflow, which their income benefits from. Hardly robbing.

And even in the case that it didn't, Apple is 'robbing' nobody. If you decide to buy it, that's willingly giving Apple your cash. They haven't stolen it. And the fact you've paid more for a physical features means you have in fact opted for, and gotten something for the money. This forum needs to go easier on exaggeration, or at least get better with it. Lol
 
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I could understand them being of special value to a radiologist who would benefit from the best resolution obtainable but for just general medical office use it would be unnecessary.

Absolutely - but there are any number of displays on the market that cost half as much and outperform the MRI’s image resolution.

Especially in the health care sector, where the customer pays for escapades like this, companies should focus on performance rather than aesthetics (which are rather dubious in this case anyway)
 
No. Just no.
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It's 3 years later and you're still using the term dongles a bunch of times in a post. You do not need to use dongles, just buy the right cable!

So far 50 people agree with me! We don't want dongles, hubs or adapter cables! We want a portable system without the loose junk! Remember this is system is likely being aimed at the heavy weight pro's (A Pro's Pro) We use lots of external devices and we don't want to carry still more junk!
 
So far 50 people agree with me! We don't want dongles, hubs or adapter cables! We want a portable system without the loose junk! Remember this is system is likely being aimed at the heavy weight pro's (A Pro's Pro) We use lots of external devices and we don't want to carry still more junk!

What's a heavy weight pro? or a pro's pro? (tbh this last one sounds like an old movie)

50 people? that can't be a small number of customers, can it?
 
I have no problem accepting that there are still lots of peripherals that come with USB-A, but that doesn’t mean they need USB-A. If Thunderbolt 3 didn’t have the added functionality of acting as a simple USB port, then it would be a very different conversation. But it does and there is simply no need for USB-A to continue to exist. I would be a happy clam to see USB-A disappear from all of Apple’s devices, but we know that it will be a while before that happens.

I want four ports of Thunderbolt 3 because I can add up to four eGPUs or two eGPUs and a Thunderbolt 3 Dock with 10GbE and a Thunderbolt 3 SSD or 1 eGPU, a USB audio interface, a Thunderbolt 3 SSD and a USB-C dock with USB-A and an SD Card slot, etc. or any of dozens of other configurations.

I honestly don’t care if Apple adds the SD Card reader back to the MBP, but full size SD Card, not microSD.

The MacBook Pro is not gimped...it is loads more versatile and customizable than the 2012-2105 model. I don’t need USB-A for much anymore and the sooner I either replace the cables and get rid of USB-A, the better.

Why am I and so many others so adamant that USB-A go away and that Apple not backtrack on the MacBook Pro and push even harder to get rid of it on their desktops as well, is because no port should be allowed to become sacrosanct and immune to ever being replaced. In the year 2019, we are still dealing with VGA ports that should have died out 10 years ago, but keeps hanging on like some awful undead thing that cannot be killed. USB-A is not immune to being replaced by something better and more versatile. I don’t lament FireWire dying the fairly quick death that it did. I didn’t hear anyone cry out in anguish when Express Card/34 went poof, I sure as heck didn’t lament when the parallel port and the serial port got replaced by USB 1.1, but boy oh boy, the same complaints I hear now echo those who complained mightily about how the parallel and serial port weren’t going anywhere...it took a while and DB-9 still hangs on, but it is nowhere near the importance it used to be, thank God!

Good for Dell...read the specs and nowhere near as versatile as the MacBook Pro. I am curious to know if they devoted all x16 lanes of PCIe to that GTX1650 to appease gamers and is shoving everything else through the PCH or if they do what Apple does and gave it x8 lanes.
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Yeah, I am still trying to figure out how people are hitting the Touch Bar by accident, I have had my 2016 for nearly 8 months and have yet to do that...

In some ways I don't disagree! USB 2.0 & 3.0 are old technologies! But the connection USB-A is still very much still in use. Just look at Ethernet UTP wiring the RJ45 connector is still being used from the original 1 and 2 Mbps versions (pre standards) 10 Mbps standards based to even newest 10 Gbps! True the connector and cables have needed tweaking to work Cat3 to Cat6 today but the connection interface has not changed!

Here we are faced with a couple of different issues! The first is the loss of the connector interface jumping to USB-C unlike how the USB-A connecter from USB 1.0 was able to stay viable thru to USB 3.1.

Then you have the realities of use, a portable system is not where you make this change and going cold turkey makes your user base to do a complete upheaval! While some who have few devices if any at all will likely not find the change that big a deal there are a lot of us who have not only expensive gear that still use USB-A connections, we also don't want to be weighted down having to carry all of the extra gear we shouldn't need when out in the field.

If Apple had made the change with the desktop systems dropping the USB-A port with USB-C hubs that offer USB-A available I wouldn't be as angry! There its a lot less painful! Just look how many agree with me here over 50! So this is important to a lot of people!

But really! Is adding two ports going to kill you? The circuitry is already present within the CPU natively, no loss in performance! So the extra holes is what's bothering you? That makes little sense! Don't forget this system is expected to be a high end full performance system so it makes sense for it to offer more ports (useful)
 
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So far 50 people agree with me! We don't want dongles, hubs or adapter cables! We want a portable system without the loose junk! Remember this is system is likely being aimed at the heavy weight pro's (A Pro's Pro) We use lots of external devices and we don't want to carry still more junk!

I bet i'm more pro than you a proper pro's pro :rolleyes:

I've had only Thunderbolt 3 ports now since 2016 and I don't need a single hub or adapter...just use USB-C cables instead, it took about £30 the first day I owned the 2016 MBP to throw out the USB-A cables and replace them with USB-C, no "dongles" needed, only someone who's never owned one would say that.

USB-A is dead, it no longer has any reason to exist. I used to have to use a hub if I needed more than 2 USB ports - I know have 4 if I need them with no hub required. It's far far far more flexible and powerful than it ever ways, the best port array on any laptop by a long way ever, especially for actual pros who need 3000MB/s on the IO whilst supporting an EGPU as well...good look doing that with your 2015 MBP.

You won't be getting old legacy ports back ever - this is the future (present actually, it WAS the future) , it's time you moved into it.

The only thing i'm missing now is a USB-C ONLY hub (I don't' ever want to see a USB-A port again)
 
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USB-A is simply a waste of space on any laptop anymore. No PC OEM will ever get rid of USB-A, because the market is too cutthroat and every sale matters to them, even with crap margins...they will be held hostage by their users forever. How else can anyone explain why the VGA port hangs on well past its expiration date and how I can still find PCI slots on select Intel motherboards...in 2019! Good grief...let it go.

How two USB-A ports and an SD Card reader suddenly make the world all better is hilarious to me. You have four USB ports on the 2016-2019 MacBook Pros, so you actually gained two USB ports, especially if you never used the Thunderbolt 2 ports on the 2012-2015. Sure, Apple can give you back the SD Card if that helps, but no more USB-A. I certainly don’t believe that Apple will waffle on this with the next round of MacBook Pros. I’ve had to listen to this crap for 2-1/2 years and USB-A brings nothing worthwhile to the table to have them backtrack now.
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All those ports on the 2019 Mac Pro are Thunderbolt 3...It only has two USB 3 Type-A ports on a removable card. Hopefully, some enterprising company will replace that PCIe card with something more useful. Ditto for the iMac Pro. I would love to see those USB-A ports all replaced by USB-C ports in the next revision. Either way, both have way more space to accommodate USB-A Ports than the MacBook Pros and Apple cannot waste valuable space on the MacBook Pro with something as useless as USB-A ports.

Sorry Guy they are still the more dominate port USB-A lives! And will be for a long, long time.

You clearly are not a working pro in the field dealing with the mess! Adding two ports is not a killer issue in a high end pro box these are the people need the connections! Your jet setter life style is not ours! We still live and breath USB-A in shear number of devices and the expense of some which is also prohibitive! We just don't want the headaches of the mess USB-A to USB-C requires.
 
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Observations and opinions from 2 years ago :eek: I had an iPad Pro 12.9" and the only time the smudges were a bother was when sunlight hit it and I see it on a dark screen or it turned off. When the screen is ON, no problem as Apple has been selling iPad for years and it is the only successful tablet on the market I would not consider it a big issues from a few forum members. Even though my MBP is not a touch screen I usually wipe it with a microfibre cloth once a week.

Yes, the are old but I just grabbed the first search on MR. At any rate, as with all the issues discussed on MR forums, it isn't a big issue and forims tend to be echo chambers that make every issue seem bigger tahn it really is.



Hmm yet it seems Apple is trying to make an iPad into a notebook. Maybe the future ARM MacBook will have a touchscreen and merge the iPad Pro line, dunno.

I think that is where we ultimately will wind up at some point. Even the Newton added a keyboard to be more of a portable computer at the time; I think it is inevitable that any device with a form factor the size of a laptop, such as tablets, will be viewed more and more as "computers" as they gain processing power and features.

macOS is not finger input friendly as the elements on screen are too small and narrow spaced, the cursor via mouse or TrackPad is supposed to mimic a virtual pointer or finger without touching the screen
I agree, which is why I think a touch screen, without major OS changes, would be a messy kludge and a big bag of hurt.

. The problem is that it is not personal or engaging as human interact with things in the physical world. When one presses a button you have a tactile feel, when one turns a knob you turn your fingers and depending wrist. These engaging feedback responses are lost completely with a cursor via TrackPad or mouse.

I most certainly agree with this. Proper tactile feedback goes a long way to making devices usable, as does bad feedback lead to mistakes. While I agree a mouse or touchpad lakes the feedback from grasping and turning, proper use of haptic feedback can provide the same sense of action when one adapts to the actions being done. For example, when one clicks on a button. A touchscreen would provide even less tactile feedback unless a haptic engine is built in.

I think we may see a haptic keyboard with no moving keys before we see touch screens on a Mac.

A pencil narrows the gap as it is something we are very familiar with grabbing and holding things. When we interact with a touch display it is another form to narrow the gap as it represents moving virtual objects with a physical gesture. AirGestures feels like pseudo-telepathy, the problem with its present implementation is that it needs to be refined which will eventually happen. :)

The thing about touch vs mouse/touch pad is both provide the same visual feedback when moving objects, but the touchscreen is obscured by the hand. However, as technology and designs improve I don't doubt that one day a touch screen will be standard; just it is not nearly there yet.

I played around with the Jump device a while back and while it had a lot of potential it was useless in a real world application. I would have loved to be able to run a presentation in front of a large group and simply point left or right to change slides but it was not even able to do that reliably. The technology has potential.

If Apple does build in 3D sensing capablity in the next iPhone that may be a way to build a finer control system for the Mac via the iPhone.
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b/c majority of peripherals still uses usb-a format.
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the issue is having one extra thing to carry around, my bag is crammed alrdy don't want to log dongles too.

why is it always either usb-c or no usb-c with you guys, usb-a still the most used port despite apple try moving away in 2016. why not have a combination of usba and usb-c with a hdmi port since thats not going away either. folks still use sd slot as well. this trend of forcing you to use usb-c only if you wanna stick with osx is ridiculous.

I found it pretty straight forward to simply buy a new set of cables relatively cheaply and ditch the USB A ones; resulting in no additional items in my bag. The one thing I miss is an SD card slot and my Nifty Drive as I used it to backup my documents via CCC in case my Mac died.
 
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What's a heavy weight pro? or a pro's pro? (tbh this last one sounds like an old movie)

50 people? that can't be a small number of customers, can it?

You clearly don't face the same issues we do! Given who is viewing this article 50 people is quite a few! You don't see people agreeing with the other group with the same veracity do you? As loud as all your entries are here it doesn't change the real world of who this system is intended for.

But I will agree we will need to wait to see what Apple has in store for us.
 
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