MacAgnostic
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Agreed (I believe you meant 960x640 though).
An increase of about 100% would be much more believable / achievable.
I think it more likely to be 720x480 (125% increase in pixels).
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An increase of about 100% would be much more believable / achievable.
I think it more likely to be 720x480 (125% increase in pixels).
It's on the same package as the A4 SoC. It's like a pizza, the package substrate is the dough, then the A4 SoC chip is mounted onto that (the tomato sauce), and then above that the two 128MB RAM chips are layered (pepperoni) and the chips are all encased in a non-conductive material (cheese). Actually, just looks at the A4 x-rays, it's far more explanatory that that!
It doesn't surprise me that the prototype iPhones are using the iPad A4 chips, but that says nothing about what the production iPhones will use. 512MB RAM certainly appears to be what smartphones are moving towards this year. The iPhone A4 will probably run slower (maybe still 600MHz) to conserve power, so extra memory might be a differentiator.
jonnyb
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They're not going to sell 4.5 million 4th gen iPhones in the US in three weeks. It took about a month to sell a million iPads and no-one had one. Like I said, there are already millions of people in the US with an iPhone. Given that we had the 3G and the 3GS within a day or so of the US launch, what makes you think this year will be any different?
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic. 🙂 I've never cared for haptic feedback in a cell phone interface - it always seemed like one of those things companies TELL you you need but don't really contribute much - e.g. a 3D interface. I doubt Apple will ever implement it in the iPhone.
I think this is false rumor that has taken on a life of it's own. It makes no sense to me. The DPI is already high enough and outright doubling it offers negligible benefit except in spec-sheet wars (that Apple never bothers trying to win).
I know we will hear from those with super vision that really need this resolution... You are the Exception.
Downsides are quadrupling of the TFT active transistors (increased cost/power draw), possible scaling issues. Another resolution to target.
IMO many downsides, negligible benefit. Unlikely to happen.
msb3079
macrumors 6502a
I'm big on visuals. Have you seen how much smoother some of the competitions screens are with higher resolution? I definitely want 960x640. One of the biggest improvements, IMO. Along with many other things.
That screen tech sounds interesting. Improves outdoor readability, Its been around since 2008 with some tablets/laptops already using it. What I cant under stand is why the iPad did not use this display tech, because my iPad sucks outside! Guess we will have to wait for iPad 2.0 with AFFS+ and 512 mb of ram!
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MacAgnostic
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It's called the next revision for the iPad. Plus a front facing camera. Which is why I chose to wait.
I am clinging on to that 512 MB thread of hope.
If all the hardware rumors are true, plus it'll have 512 MB, the new iPhone will basically catch up to premium top shelf hardware phones currently available. That plus the sleek and efficient iPhone OS 4.0 with all the new features (and I'm sure a few yet-to-be announced), I see it becoming a fact that the new iPhone will be the best phone available on the market.
The only competitor will be the evo for it's 4G and the other random nerd friendly features.
If all the hardware rumors are true, plus it'll have 512 MB, the new iPhone will basically catch up to premium top shelf hardware phones currently available. That plus the sleek and efficient iPhone OS 4.0 with all the new features (and I'm sure a few yet-to-be announced), I see it becoming a fact that the new iPhone will be the best phone available on the market.
The only competitor will be the evo for it's 4G and the other random nerd friendly features.
Anuba
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Ah, the old "in order to qualify for criticizing something your knowledge must be equal or superior to that of its creator" argument. I remember it from grade school. Sorry, but you don't have to be Pavarotti to know that Mrs. Miller was a horrible singer. All you need is to not be completely tone deaf.
If you have eyes and a brain you'll know that increased graphics performance comes at the cost of more power consumption and more heat. I'm sure the A4 is perfectly capable of smooth performance at 960x640 resolution, since it's already proven to handle 1024x768 well, but the iPhone doesn't have the iPad's battery.
960x640 on a 3.5" translates to 329 PPI. Since a human eye in mint condition is unable to differentiate detail beyond 300 PPI, it sounds like overkill, literally.
The same engineers who designed the original iPhone 3G? Yeah, those guys built a phone with sluggish graphics and a weak battery, so excuse me for not trusting them this time.
MacAgnostic
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It's a fair observation. Your engineering comments are presumptuous and uncalled for.
While an increase of about 100% is plausable, IMO 300% is absurd.
Care to name a phone with 330DPI resolution, or a display greater than 800x480?
Two reasons:
1. Their source told them they were different. Just reporting what they were told.
2. The leaked iPhones were development and/or production prototypes, not final hardware. We only know that the Vietnamese one had 256MB, but the newer one that Gizmodo had never had a verified number for the RAM.
Many people are saying it cannot be true, or should not be true about the A8 and 512 ram based on the iPad. But if the new iPhone is in fact HD, not only the screen, but the video capture, and there is also a front facing camera, these are two features the iPad does not have, and would not yet need the horsepower for. Capturing HD video and or converting (assume down- converting) it real time for transmission if there is a 4G/WiFi enabled iChat etc.. one would think would drive the need for these changes. Capabilities the iPad does not have... yet
If the iPhone wants to get back on top, then specs have to be superb.
512mb would go a long way to helping that.
Multitasking and HD video (fingers crossed on that one) alone would eat up a huge amount of system resources. More VM seems necessary and inevitable.
All this iPad comparison talk is pointless...the iPad is 1.0. Historically, anyone who has EVER bought and Apple 1.0 product has regretted it IMHO. I've always seen Apple 1.0 as an expensive beta. The next iPad will have whatever the iPhone gets this time around, which seems to include an HD cammy and an A8 proc.
The greater the features, the greater the memory needed. It's just evolution. Bring on that 512mb 🙂
512mb would go a long way to helping that.
Multitasking and HD video (fingers crossed on that one) alone would eat up a huge amount of system resources. More VM seems necessary and inevitable.
All this iPad comparison talk is pointless...the iPad is 1.0. Historically, anyone who has EVER bought and Apple 1.0 product has regretted it IMHO. I've always seen Apple 1.0 as an expensive beta. The next iPad will have whatever the iPhone gets this time around, which seems to include an HD cammy and an A8 proc.
The greater the features, the greater the memory needed. It's just evolution. Bring on that 512mb 🙂
The IPhone doesn't need 512mb because the iPhone doesn't really multitask. It simply suspends the app to the flash memory, and then it goes away. More RAM won't help with anything.
As for specific true background tasks - like audio streaming and task processing - those exist and work just fine today on the 3GS and even the 3G and 2g iPhones.
As for specific true background tasks - like audio streaming and task processing - those exist and work just fine today on the 3GS and even the 3G and 2g iPhones.
Guys, rumors say ATT 4G will roll out sometime next year, do you guys think this phone will be 4G ATT internet capable, or would you have to upgrade again next June for a 4G ATT internet capable iPhone?
This is a wonderful rumor, I hope it′s true. Remember that this iPhone will probably be THE iPhone until summer 2011, so it has to be excellent. There is competition with other phones that are being made.
iPhone needs a higher resolution screen, because now it is one it has some of the lowest res screen in the smartphone market. And I want to see pictures better, zoom more and see more. Now you can see pixels..I am looking forward to this update the most.
512MB RAM would be great. This iPhone will have to be great at multitasking and be able to handle OS 5.0 next year. With bigger resolution, maybe some larger apps, multitasking in various apps ( few websites opened, mail, phone, ichat/skype, opened mail attachments in 3rd party apps..) 512 MB is a wise idea. I am sure the next iPad will have that upgrade as well..
Bring it on! 3 weeks until the announcement, I hope all the rumors will come true. If yes, this iPhone will have as much or even more success as it has had until now.
(I am going to freeze myself, so I don′t have to wait until the release. Someone please unfreeze me on launch day) 😀
iPhone needs a higher resolution screen, because now it is one it has some of the lowest res screen in the smartphone market. And I want to see pictures better, zoom more and see more. Now you can see pixels..I am looking forward to this update the most.
512MB RAM would be great. This iPhone will have to be great at multitasking and be able to handle OS 5.0 next year. With bigger resolution, maybe some larger apps, multitasking in various apps ( few websites opened, mail, phone, ichat/skype, opened mail attachments in 3rd party apps..) 512 MB is a wise idea. I am sure the next iPad will have that upgrade as well..
Bring it on! 3 weeks until the announcement, I hope all the rumors will come true. If yes, this iPhone will have as much or even more success as it has had until now.
(I am going to freeze myself, so I don′t have to wait until the release. Someone please unfreeze me on launch day) 😀
Maybe not for multitasking, but I'd like to load up a few pages in Safari without having to reload every time I switch between them. More RAM, please.
Great Question! if they announce a Verion version... One would assume it would be 4G capable (at least verizon's version of 4G, doubt they are the same as ATT right?) Who would want to buy a ATT 3G, if there is a Verizon 4G?
I hope we dont get screwed on power adapters again with the upgrade... cant charge your phone because there is no chip identifying the device capability, or Apple requires a later version to be capable of charging. I have a Griffin USB 32 pin charger worked fine on the original iPhone, and the 3G, but not the 3Gs.
I'm no tech head, but, If an app is suspended in memory, isn't that memory resource unavailable?
I'm not sure what "...then it goes away" means.
I find it hard to believe that more RAM "won't help with anything." How could having greater system resources not be helpful when everything is running or being managed in <EDIT: Flash Memory or RAM>?
Oh I don't know if I agree with that completely. You're saying you've never wanted to throw your phone into traffic on an occasion when you're listening to LastFM (or prolly Pandora in your case), writing a txt, and an MMS and an email all come in at the same time?
Finally someone that can see my concern. Cause as of right now I am eligible for an upgrade. But if I upgrade to this new iPhone and this is not 4G capable, and next year the new iPhone 5th Gen is, then I will not be eligible and would have to pay a premium. This troubles me.
This is not true. iPhone 0S 4 does not suspend an app to Flash memory, The app stays in ram until you run out, then the OS kills it.
I would like more ram!