Displays for 13-Inch Retina MacBook Pro Now in Production

[Eidorian]

Isn't Ivy Bridge ULV what's currently powering the MacBook Airs?

Maybe it is my investigation into boutique notebooks but ULV only appears to live in ultrabooks or thin/light. There are other similar notebooks that would greatly benefit from ULV but you are limited to 35/45W dual/quad cores that turn them into nuclear piles.

I do not have much information on what remaining pressure Intel has left in continuing their ultrabook scene but they are investing ULV to that cause.

It is irritating to see how small of a notebook they try to shoehorn the Core i7 3610QM into.

 

[loon3y]

come on.... quad core, 16gb ram, and decent graphics power!

i highly doubt they'll put 16 GB on the MBP, man tarts going to make me want to upgrade my newly built gaming rig to 32 GB

 

[Mr. F]

gimme 17" and i'll give you dollars

You know for a lot of people these are nice upgrades and all, but we'll just get whatever's going on when the time comes to plunk down our hard earned cash for a new computer - we pay the premium for apple assuming we'll be getting up to date technology.

What we like is a nice computer that works well ... and a 17" screen.

Some of us really like 17" screens.

Yes, being able to buy an apple computer with a 17" screen sure would be nice.

 

[loon3y]

lol unless my company covers some of this laptop which i use for development, i rather save up for my dodge challenger

 

[manu chao]

Going bad is one thing, but being bad out of the box is a much more common occurrence.

But you have one year of warranty to notice this and ask for a remedy.

 

[Eidorian]

But you have one year of warranty to notice this and ask for a remedy.

Of course, infant mortality or just plain DoA is more likely on RAM. Retail DRAM vendors provide a lifetime warranty in nearly all cases.

Though, I can understand the wariness of RAM soldered to the logic board.

 

[KnightWRX]

Uh... to keep you from going inside it like the rMBP? The precedent is already there in the "Pro" line and this is having zero impact it seems. Just a matter of time before the non-retinas will soon be sealed just like all their siblings.

Sure, but right now they haven't changed the non-retina models, no reason to believe the non-retina 13" MBP would change.

Of course you would. Because I said the opposite.

I haven't upgraded a laptop after purchasing it since I've owned laptops. The only one I "upgraded" was my Unibody, and it's just because I cheaped out of the Apple BTO configuration and bought my own RAM for "cheaper". With all the compatibility problems, RMAs I had, I might as well just have bought the Apple RAM and actually saved money.

 

[Risco]

Or, maybe people who 'really' know how to manage their money can afford these finer things in life and aren't too concerned about it?

That was an unbelievably pompous thing to say.

 

[RBR2]

I think some of you are confusing the Retina display with a Retina display with (only) SSDs as in the current 15" rMBP. There is a belief that the Retina display will displace the other displays across the entire product line of laptops. If that happens, I do not believe that Apple will discontinue the use of rotating drives any time soon. SSDs simply have not come down in cost sufficiently for that to happen yet.

I foresee the continuation of the "regular" MBP" with an added (perhaps optional) Retina display. The Retina display's costs should be coming down enough to permit it's adoption across the entire laptop lineup sooner than many think.

Personally, I would like to see a PCIe SSD as a boot drive and a SATA rotating drive as a data drive, but there is no indication that Apple are ready to make that step at this time.

I hope we will get some indication of what Apple will introduce soon as there are many awaiting such news to plan hardware purchases. I count myself among this group.

Cheers

 

[Krazy Bill]

I haven't upgraded a laptop after purchasing it since I've owned laptops. The only one I "upgraded" was my Unibody, and it's just because I cheaped out of the Apple BTO configuration and bought my own RAM for "cheaper". With all the compatibility problems, RMAs I had, I might as well just have bought the Apple RAM and actually saved money.

Admittedly, I'll probably get to that point as well when it comes time to upgrade. Just load it up and pay the Apple tax. Worry about explaining it to the wife later.

 

[manu chao]

Of course, infant mortality or just plain DoA is more likely on RAM. Retail DRAM vendors provide a lifetime warranty in nearly all cases.

Though, I can understand the wariness of RAM soldered to the logic board.

Is there a bigger likelihood for system RAM to go bad than example for videocard RAM? I know, there is less videocard RAM which should be directly reflected in the total failure probability. Because nobody is wary of soldered videocards in laptops.

 

[Eidorian]

Is there a bigger likelihood for system RAM to go bad than example for videocard RAM?

Not that I know of.

I know, there is less videocard RAM which should be directly reflected in the total failure probability. Because nobody is wary of soldered videocards in laptops.

It is more than likely a fear of the component becoming non-user replaceable. RAM and storage tend to be the least complicated internal components to upgrade or replace on failure even long outside of warranty.

The majority of the failure rate information I can obtain is from returns. Even then it is rare or difficult for me to find it. Dead logicboard video or MXM cards failure could be diagnosed under a variety of reasons for return/repair.

 

[CWallace]

Apples price points are WAY too high to turn their products into "Throw Aways".

So then don't throw it away.

I replace my iPhone, iPad, iMac and MacBook Pro on a two-year basis (essentially when they adopt Intel's next "tick") and resell my older unit. They all still have a year of AppleCare warranty on them and I never get less than half of what I paid for it, and often more (especially the iPhone), which helps cover the cost of the new one.

 

[iSayuSay]

So then don't throw it away.

I replace my iPhone, iPad, iMac and MacBook Pro on a two-year basis (essentially when they adopt Intel's next "tick") and resell my older unit. They all still have a year of AppleCare warranty on them and I never get less than half of what I paid for it, and often more (especially the iPhone), which helps cover the cost of the new one.

Well ... technically you get less than half for your iPhone. You didn't buy your iPhone for $200. That's only the advanced payment. The rest is paid monthly until your contract expired. Yeah you also get the services along with your contract, but it is an overrated contract and services to help carriers pay up their subsidy.

So when you'll be able to sell your old phone for $300. You should know you don't get the extra $100 since you have to stuck on another overrated contracts for another 2 years.

 

[yanksrock100]

I think some of you are confusing the Retina display with a Retina display with (only) SSDs as in the current 15" rMBP. There is a belief that the Retina display will displace the other displays across the entire product line of laptops. If that happens, I do not believe that Apple will discontinue the use of rotating drives any time soon. SSDs simply have not come down in cost sufficiently for that to happen yet.

I foresee the continuation of the "regular" MBP" with an added (perhaps optional) Retina display. The Retina display's costs should be coming down enough to permit it's adoption across the entire laptop lineup sooner than many think.

Personally, I would like to see a PCIe SSD as a boot drive and a SATA rotating drive as a data drive, but there is no indication that Apple are ready to make that step at this time.

I hope we will get some indication of what Apple will introduce soon as there are many awaiting such news to plan hardware purchases. I count myself among this group.

Cheers

I'm sure that Apple will give it an SSD, and the same thin form factor. Apple is converting to SSD. The 13 rMBP will be even more expensize than the Air's, which have SSD. The regular MBP will be discontinued either when, or soon after the 13 rMBP comes out.

If Apple didn't already come out with the "next gen" 15 rMBP with SSD, thin form, ect, I might have agreed, but clearly Apple is moving their next gen line to all SSD.

 

[HarryKNN21]

Haha, funny, there are people again going PC vs. MAC. I would simply say: if you think a new one is expensive, go get a refurnbished one or get a second hand one. People do have choice on buying MAC, PC vs MAC is not necessary.

Mac don't need to make everyone happy, they just need make people who can afford then happy, right? Also if u think Apple's service is extremely overpriced, then go for legacy model until you can't upgrade the RAM and SSD anymore, I believe there would still be three to four years time that allow users to upgrade their legacy model. And the legacy model's display won't make u blind.

Life is really this simple.

 

[damir00]

The 13 rMBP will be even more expensize than the Air's, which have SSD.

What do you mean by "even" more? The MBAs are terrifically priced for what they are.

 

[yanksrock100]

What do you mean by "even" more? The MBAs are terrifically priced for what they are.

I agree! I just meant since the rMBP will be more expensive, it would make sense for it to have SSD drives too since the lower priced Airs have them.

 

[maccuser]

You clearly have not even a shred of a clue as to what a 15" rMBP is like. There is no lag on the integrated graphics processor and the 650m is more than sufficient. Ignoramuses like you make the sheeple think that the rMBP is barely able to run.

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Seeing that it can drive the 2880x1800 15" without any problems, yes.

you are either blind or living in denial. I tested the retina mbp for 2 weeks and scrolling is sluggish and lags and gave me a headache on integrated graphics. Even when I chose the better performance which used the discrete graphics, it was not as smooth as my year old 13 mbp..

you either have one and wanna fool urself and justify that it works well while multiple reviews have noted the sluggish performance
you are pathetic

 

[A7ibaba]

2580 x 1600 resolution with HD4000 ? Don't make me laught ,LOL. Even safari will lag like hell if u scroll it hard

 

[henry72]

I guess that's why Apple put the 15-inch Retina photo above the 15-inch Retina options.

Have you guys ever thought why does Apple put an image there?

 

[jclardy]

This!

But i don't expect a discrete gpu. Even though they will drop the superdrive, they will need a bigger battery (like in the rmbp), so there is not enough space to cool a dgpu. And they would have to sell it for more, which may come too close to the 15".

But let's hope

Yes this is what I am expecting, with the thinner case, smaller footprint and larger battery I don't think there will be much room left for the logic board to support discrete graphics.

It would be awesome if they had it as an upgrade option somehow though. As looking at the pricing you have:

MBA 11" - $999
MBA 13" - $1199
rMBP 13" - ??? (Starting at $1399 with integrated graphics?)
rMBP 15" - $2199

I think next year the 15" retina will see a $200 price drop to make the prices a bit nice, also since the display cost should drop as they increase production. I also think this because I believe they will drop the non-retina Pro's next year, so that all their laptops are running SSD's. This will make them lose in the "numbers" game (Look, that laptop has 750GB and this one only 128GB!) but all their machines will feel so much faster because of it.

 

[gnasher729]

I imagine it'll be like the 15" retina, as a more expensive model rather than one replacing the current price points.

The 15" Retina is actually cheaper compared to a 15" non-Retina with the same hard drive and RAM. To some people it _seems_ more expensive because you can't buy it with a cheap rotating hard drive, but it isn't.

 

[gnasher729]

Current non rMBP high end: £1799
Low end Retina: £1799

13" Retina Price to be the same as high end 13" non-retina which is £1249? bet you they [13" low end Retina] starts with 128GB flash.

15" low end with 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD (same as low end Retina): £1979. £180 more than Retina.

There was a good reason in the 15" for soldered RAM and SSD: It saves space. There is no need for that on a 13" MBP. Take out the optical drive, fill the empty space with battery, and you're good to go. That will probably give you even longer battery life than today, because there's an awful lot of empty space. With the 15", it was logical to make a luxury model, because the limiting factor is not the price, but the availability of displays. With the 13", price is the limit so no need for SSD as standard.

Uh... to keep you from going inside it like the rMBP? The precedent is already there in the "Pro" line and this is having zero impact it seems. Just a matter of time before the non-retinas will soon be sealed just like all their siblings.

13" sells to price conscious customers. You act different in that market.

 

[Roman2K~]

MBA 11" - $999
MBA 13" - $1199
rMBP 13" - ??? (Starting at $1399 with integrated graphics?)
rMBP 15" - $2199

Seeing as the rMBP 15" starts at the price of the higher-end cMBP, I would say it will be the same for the rMBP 13". That is, $1499 / €1549.