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Do I really have to click to wake AND then scan my fingerprint?

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shenan1982 said:
Thanks for participating in my thread. Maybe if we're lucky the next iteration of iPhone Apple will join 2013 (or 2014) and get rid of a physical button once and for all. Took 10 years to rid themselves of the clunky 30 pin dock connector, so maybe by 2020 we'll have a real capacitive home button.
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I really don't like the capacitance or soft buttons on Android, it's too easy to accidentally press them. With an iPhone, it's hard to accidentally press the home button no matter how you're holding it.

So I actually prefer the way the Touch ID is now- requiring an actual press to turn on/wake the phone. There's too many times where I'm holding the phone in my hand while not using it, I don't want it turning on accidentally. As well as the fact that capacitance screens can be activated with cloth in between.

I mean I guess it's possible to try to design/program the logic to discern between all these different scenarios, but that would strike me as a case of overengineering, and ripe for situations where the user is actually trying to turn on the phone, and the phone won't turn on because it thinks it's accidental input. To bring up another car example, a lot of automakers started to get too clever for their own good in the last 30 years, resulting in either complicated operation or decreased reliability.

I think we can all agree it's no big deal either way.
 
Dear God, I've never seen a lazier bunch of people in my life.

I ACTUALLY HAEV TO PRESS BUTTON TO UNLOCK MY PHONE WTF STEVE ROLLING IN GRAVE
 
SA Spyder said:
Dear God, I've never seen a lazier bunch of people in my life.

I ACTUALLY HAEV TO PRESS BUTTON TO UNLOCK MY PHONE WTF STEVE ROLLING IN GRAVE
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If you actually read through the thread/conversation you'll see that it's not about it being difficult but rather it being different than what Apple described at the Keynote. Or at least that some of us perceived it differently.
 
TonyC28 said:
If you actually read through the thread/conversation you'll see that it's not about it being difficult but rather it being different than what Apple described at the Keynote. Or at least that some of us perceived it differently.
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Uh no they never said that you put your finger on the button and the phone WAKES UP. They said the phone UNLOCKS. Meaning you still have to "manually" (lol can't believe I'm using that term) wake it up using the physical button and then scan your fingerprint to UNLOCK it.

They didn't say anything wrong. You guys just jumped the gun for no reason.
 
Some review sites stated that the fingerprint scan was a bit slower than they anticipated or that Apple might be taking pains for accuracy over speed. That said, I'm blown away by how quick and reliable it is. Press once to wake the device (thankfully) and hold your finger there for an extra moment and you're in. The button press SHOULD be the action that wakes the phone.

In fact, it likely makes the print read more reliable as well. If it was touch only to wake up and scan, it could easily start to scan your finger too quickly. Pressing the button allows you to center your finger first.
 
zhenya said:
Some review sites stated that the fingerprint scan was a bit slower than they anticipated or that Apple might be taking pains for accuracy over speed. That said, I'm blown away by how quick and reliable it is. Press once to wake the device (thankfully) and hold your finger there for an extra moment and you're in. The button press SHOULD be the action that wakes the phone.

In fact, it likely makes the print read more reliable as well. If it was touch only to wake up and scan, it could easily start to scan your finger too quickly. Pressing the button allows you to center your finger first.
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The really great thing is, the more you use it the more it trains....my right thumb unlocks before I even see my lock screen half the time.
 
SA Spyder said:
Uh no they never said that you put your finger on the button and the phone WAKES UP. They said the phone UNLOCKS. Meaning you still have to "manually" (lol can't believe I'm using that term) wake it up using the physical button and then scan your fingerprint to UNLOCK it.

They didn't say anything wrong. You guys just jumped the gun for no reason.
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Phil Schiller never said "you don't even have to click it"? Dan Riccio never said "with just a touch of your home button the Touch ID quickly reads your fingerprint and automatcically unlocks your phone"?

Some people are so quick to defend anything Apple that they can't stand for people having a simple discussion that isn't even critical of Apple. I know there are a lot of comments now but if you read through you'll see that most of them are just saying that this is how we thought it worked but we are fine with how it actually does. The half-second it takes to hold my finger on the home button is far better than typing in a code every time and for me is getting to be second nature and barely noticeable.

Again, I am not criticizing Touch ID or Apple. I am simply saying that the way it was described at the Keynote left some people thinking it worked slightly differently than it actually does.
 
TonyC28 said:
Phil Schiller never said "you don't even have to click it"? Dan Riccio never said "with just a touch of your home button the Touch ID quickly reads your fingerprint and automatcically unlocks your phone"?

Some people are so quick to defend anything Apple that they can't stand for people having a simple discussion that isn't even critical of Apple. I know there are a lot of comments now but if you read through you'll see that most of them are just saying that this is how we thought it worked but we are fine with how it actually does. The half-second it takes to hold my finger on the home button is far better than typing in a code every time and for me is getting to be second nature and barely noticeable.

Again, I am not criticizing Touch ID or Apple. I am simply saying that the way it was described at the Keynote left some people thinking it worked slightly differently than it actually does.
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He meant you don't have to click the button for the touch sensor to take your fingerprint. And the other guy stated it UNLOCKS the phone, not WAKES it.

I am not blindly defending anything. I think the iPhone 5S is a huge disappointment and I don't own one to begin with. I'm just defending common sense here, which you lot seem to lack.
 
SA Spyder said:
He meant you don't have to click the button for the touch sensor to take your fingerprint. And the other guy stated it UNLOCKS the phone, not WAKES it.

I am not blindly defending anything. I think the iPhone 5S is a huge disappointment and I don't own one to begin with. I'm just defending common sense here, which you lot seem to lack.
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Oh now I get it. Silly me. All along I was thinking I simply misunderstood for no reason at all but it turns out it's because I lack common sense. It all makes sense now. So what Phil really meant is that for unlocking the phone, which is what we will all use the Touch ID for the vast majority of the time, we actually do have to click it. And when Dan said you just touch it, he meant you just touch it for those few instances when you are making an iTunes purchase or app purchase but when you are using it to unlock your phone the other 95% of the time you actually can't just "touch it" but actually have to wake up the phone first. I guess it's also common sense to suggest that the steel ring is not a feature but rather a requirement. Obviously I can't click the home button to activate the sensor before making an iTunes purchase because that would close out the app and bring me to the home screen.
 
I can't believe I'm falling for this, but...... Neither Schiller nor Riccio gave a step by step instructional speech on how the phone works. You can take a line from one, and a line from the other, and try to connect the dots any way you'd like, but they never mapped it out in a way some here assume they did.

The Steel Ring:
Most definitely works as a switch. Touch it, it turns on the scanner, and the scanner is ready to read whatever part of your anatomy you'd like. Without it, power would have flow to the scanner constantly, and battery life would suffer. I wasn't in Cupertino when the ring was incorporated, but I'd bet that's precisely how and why it works the way it does.

I'm going to bow out of this thread now. I believe it to be largely a troll, with some honest posters.
 
polygoo said:
I feel like apple did this on purpose due to how notifications work on the lock screen. If you only had to tap and not click it would bypass lock screen making the notifications useless. Having both allows you to wake phone to check for notifications or time. It really works great and just takes a day to get used to at most.
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Credit to polygoo. I am not sure if this is the reason they implemented it the way they did, but this makes perfect sense. This pretty much ends the discussion for me. Thank you polygoo.
 
shenan1982 said:
I didn't say it ruined the phone... I'm not defending the product nor feature.

Looking through your post history, you seem to defend Apple anytime someone says they have a negative experience.

You defended Safari when someone said it was laggy for them.

You defended the screen size when someone expressed that they want a bigger screen.

You defend the battery when someone said it doesn't last as long as they feel it should.

You defended the sensor when someone said it wouldn't work reliably with their finger.


Sooner or later you'll have to realize that just because something works for you, or works within your level of tolerance, that may not fall within someone else's expectations, so to bash their opinion and say "this is the way it is, period" makes you look a little foolish.... because there are many issues that only affect some users, and what someone might interpret as an issue, you may not, this one being a prime example. But to enter a thread where several users are saying they feel like the product was represented as having a feature and you saying "nope nope nope" ... it's kinda counterproductive to the discussion. There is no right or wrong here, it's all just opinions, but you should be a little more open-minded to those that differ from your own, because clearly some people interpret what Phil said as something different than you.

That's all I have to say about that.
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This thread is completely bizarre.

I didn't listen to the keynote this year, so I don't know exactly what was said, but if it wasn't "This phone will unlock with the lightest touch of whatever finger you choose and naught else" then I guess I could see the OP's point.


However, I doubt this was said. I have no problem pressing the home button and holding for a second until the screen unlocks. I cannot imagine why anyone would.
 
Yes, we're "blindly defending" Apple because we don't think it's a federal case that we still have to press a button to wake the phone. The fact that some of you feel the need to press the issue that Apple may have misrepresented such an arbitrary mechanic as whether Touch ID wakes the phone or not, shows that perhaps it's time to find a hobby.

But then again, I'm sitting here arguing, too. I'm gonna go find a hobby, myself.
 
elistan said:
Funny you say that. For what it's worth, I have a BMW that does exactly that. To enable the automatic rain-sensing wipers, I have to push in a button at the end of the control stalk.
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Same for my Volvo. They need to do that for a few reasons:

- If the windshield wipers are iced to the windshield you don't want that turning on automatically

- If it turns on when the driver is not expecting it (e.g. a friend or relative is driving the car and they don't know about the feature) it could surprise them and lead to an accident. (And of course subsequent huge lawsuit).

At first I thought it was very stupid to require that, then the more I thought about it the more I realized they just cannot take the risk of the wipers springing to life without the driver deliberately asking for it.
 
karmamule said:
Same for my Volvo. They need to do that for a few reasons:

- If the windshield wipers are iced to the windshield you don't want that turning on automatically

- If it turns on when the driver is not expecting it (e.g. a friend or relative is driving the car and they don't know about the feature) it could surprise them and lead to an accident. (And of course subsequent huge lawsuit).

At first I thought it was very stupid to require that, then the more I thought about it the more I realized they just cannot take the risk of the wipers springing to life without the driver deliberately asking for it.
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Similarly, I'm of the opinion that having to physically press the home button prior to scanning my fingerprint in order to unlock the phone is a good thing due to the possibility of inadvertently unlocking it. There are times when I'm wiping it off, or just handling it, when my finger might come into contact with the Touch ID sensor but I don't actually want the phone to unlock.

And I'd hate to complain to Tim about it inadvertently unlocking, only to have him tell me I'm holding it wrong.
 
Really frustrating that everyone is so quick to dismiss this whole topic as people being lazy. I could care less if I have I touch it, or press it. I just don't really see the point of the steel ring. If you have to press the home button then why not just have the software turn on the fingerprint sensor when the home button is pressed on the lock screen? And the same way your keyboard pops up on your screen when you are required to manually enter a password, instead the software could tell the fingerprint sensor I come on in these situations... I just think there was a last minute change in how it was supposed to work.
 
Well I find it hard to imagine a finger that wasn't "alive" pushing the home button..... The scanning has nothing to do with the metal ring. My point is that with a software update you could completely eliminate the need for the phone to have the steel ring. I find it unlikely that apple put in a piece of hardware that is essentially useless. I still maintain that something was changed prior to release.
 
wepiii said:
Well I find it hard to imagine a finger that wasn't "alive" pushing the home button..... The scanning has nothing to do with the metal ring. My point is that with a software update you could completely eliminate the need for the phone to have the steel ring. I find it unlikely that apple put in a piece of hardware that is essentially useless. I still maintain that something was changed prior to release.
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Doing this greatly increases the difficulty of fooling the sensor, because not only do you need the right fingerprint, it must be able to electrically activate the sensor as well. Previous sensors have sometimes been foiled by something as simple as a copy of a fingerprint on a piece of scotch tape.

It may also preserve battery life because the sensor cannot be active unless you are touching it.
 
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