Do you feel SE is inferior in the lineup?

[Ladybug]

For a price of $400 to $500 I do not consider the SE a budget phone. That is still a good chunk of change at least in my world. Also, theres the updated internals it shares with the flagship 6S that speaks otherwise.

Yes a few features were left out to make this phone work inside a 5s shell but its far from cheap as I've seen some comment. Some also take offense that its not a new design therefore it must be old and outdated. Until phablets came along the 4 inch was the accepted norm. We all used it and loved it enough we would never dream of looking at anything that was not Apple.

The SE, no matter what you call it is actually just a normal phone. I think the society we live in are too quick to throw the baby out with the bath water. Call it a classic if you will but its not a cheap throwaway budget phone. The 4 inch form factor works best for many of us and I sincerely hope Apple keeps it around.

 

[BenTrovato]

So many people have been asking for this type of phone. SoC upgrades, ram upgrades on a four inch screen phone. Using existing platform speeds up delivery instead of designing from scratch.

You may hate it, so don't buy it. Wait for the iPhone seven. Apple never made claim this is latest innovative phone. They provided a timely version to meet a segment of users that for variety of reasons did not upgrade to the 6 series.

And in order to offer at a more reasonable cost they will capture more mid cost users. Smart move that is answering buyer's desires.

Apple never did well answering buyer's desires. Failed in the past, will fail again. I don't know why people defend the phone. The whole event was really bad.

 

[I7guy]

Apple never did well answering buyer's desires. Failed in the past, will fail again. I don't know why people defend the phone. The whole event was really bad.

I'm not sure how you can make such a blanket statement regarding the one billion Apple customers. The recent record breaking profits seems to indicate otherwise.

If you are attempting to say in a general apples products doesn't meet your needs I can understand that is your opinion/needs at work.

 

[Tulani]

I'm not sure how you can make such a blanket statement regarding the one billion Apple customers. The recent record breaking profits seems to indicate otherwise.

If you are attempting to say in a general apples products doesn't meet your needs I can understand that is your opinion/needs at work.

Apple has the privilege of ridding on customer loyalty. We love them but that should not also cloud us from expressing wishes or expectations on their products.

 

[HEK]

Apple never did well answering buyer's desires. Failed in the past, will fail again. I don't know why people defend the phone. The whole event was really bad.

I know right, only selling a billion phones worldwide. Just an absolute failure on Apple's part part in answering buyer's desires. Monumental failure failure for sure. They probably will only sell in the tens of millions of this phone, the 5se.

Shame those billion people don't have your insight and bought something that YOU don't like. It's interesting how you think your opinion represent's buyer's desires. Perhaps you should rephrase and say Apple never did well answering my desires.

 

[hank moody]

The edges will be matt rather than shiny like the 5s.

And the camera/flash on the back is different too.

Apple logo too.

 

[I7guy]

Apple has the privilege of ridding on customer loyalty. We love them but that should not also cloud us from expressing wishes or expectations on their products.

If this is the case express your own opinion and don't speak for masses. Additionally you understand customers loyaltys' are earned.

 

[Tulani]

If this is the case express your own opinion and don't speak for masses. Additionally you understand customers loyaltys' are earned.

Indeed. Do not be too emotional about it. It's just a forum for debate.

 

[I7guy]

Indeed. Do not be too emotional about it. It's just a forum for debate.

Exactly. Sometimes posters get riled up; it's a discussion forum.

 

[Tulani]

Exactly. Sometimes posters get riled up; it's a discussion forum.

I am not riled up and never will be

I am debating and expressing wishes

Apple also has long made its decision and nothing or no one is going to change it

So you are even better off in defending them because by default you are winning

 

[HEK]

Indeed. Do not be too emotional about it. It's just a forum for debate.

How is someone being emotional when they point out errors in logic made by someone that takes it upon themselves to speak for the masses. State your opinion, list some factual information to back it up. Or say I just feel this way. But presuming to speak for others is simply incorrect in any debate.

 

[I7guy]

I am not riled up and never will be

I am debating and expressing wishes

Apple also has long made its decision and nothing or no one is going to change it

So you are even better off in defending them because by default you are winning

A negative blanket/absolutist statement was made that in no way could be proven. It's one thing To state your opinion, positive or negative and quite another to make a statement as if you were speaking for the masses.

 

[Tulani]

How is someone being emotional when they point out errors in logic made by someone that takes it upon themselves to speak for the masses. State your opinion, list some factual information to back it up. Or say I just feel this way. But presuming to speak for others is simply incorrect in any debate.

A negative blanket/absolutist statement was made that in no way could be proven. It's one thing To state your opinion, positive or negative and quite another to make a statement as if you were speaking for the masses.

Ok I am wrong. You are correct

 

[I7guy]

Ok I am wrong. You are correct

Correct on what?

 

[HEK]

I am not riled up and never will be

I am debating and expressing wishes

Apple also has long made its decision and nothing or no one is going to change it

So you are even better off in defending them because by default you are winning

Why is it when someone agrees or sees value in strategy Apple adopts that by also seeing that value we are "defending" Apple.

I have never actually felt any need to defend Apple. I may agree on some points and disagree on others by expressing my opinion I am in no way defending Apple.

Nor am I trying to purswuade you. I however strongly object to how partisan and derogatory some people seem to become. The isheep comments some people make are all quite uneccessary and certainly meant to be belittling.

Finally I was not saying you are riled up.

 

[johny328i]

The favourite design, the right size, powerful internals, good camera, and good battery. It's the best iPhone up to date for me.

 

[maflynn]

Apple never did well answering buyer's desires. Failed in the past, will fail again. I don't know why people defend the phone. The whole event was really bad.

You mean like providing a small iPad or a larger iPhone (the plus). I think Apple has correctly identified a market segment that is being under utilized by them and correctly moved to address that. In this case the SE.

Will it sell as much as the 6s, no of course not, and I don't think they're looking to see numbers in that range.

 

[gadget123]

I'm genuinely curious how we feel about this device. Its curious to see Apple to expand lineup with a significantly cheaper product, without majorly crippling the features (even better if they aren't charging ££ in addition to vat, for international sales). Perhaps its signaling more affordable iPhone 7.

However, despite the great price - I'm not sure if SE feels like a premium device? My feelings are mixed. It's a good compromise of a proven 5S model. Though if Apple wanted, they could have put in newer touch-ID, 6S's screen res, 5MP front cam, barometer, muli-channel WiFi, faster cellular, 3D touch, etc, but a bigger price.

Do you think it's good enough to stand next to 6S? Or can they not be compared directly? And does offering a decent product at a lower price level have to make it feel interior? Or is it just a bargain that will sell like hot cakes?

Opinions welcomed in the comment!

It was a premium phone a few years ago when the 5 was released. If someone tries to sell us a 6S in 2018/2019 I will say the same.

 

[BenTrovato]

You mean like providing a small iPad or a larger iPhone (the plus). I think Apple has correctly identified a market segment that is being under utilized by them and correctly moved to address that. In this case the SE.

Will it sell as much as the 6s, no of course not, and I don't think they're looking to see numbers in that range.

No one will say your wrong but for anyone who's been around, we loved Apple's innovation and their ability to bring us products we didn't even know we wanted. Innovation is not capturing every single dollar available just because they can. Now they bring us products we don't want but "recognize" that this is a key market segment they can capture.

 

[PaladinGuy]

As to the SE, itself, whether or not someone prefers it is completely a personal opinion. What size phone a person wants is subjective.

I think one would be hard pressed to deny that the March event was one of the least exciting and most boring of any Apple has ever done. I was really excited going into it, but I left pretty deflated.

Regardless of anyone's subjective preference for design or size, it's an objective fact that, based on the specs and hardware, the SE is technologically an inferior phone to the 6S. The hard decision for some, myself included, is determining what matters most to us: form or function. I only buy a new iPhone when there's new technology that warrants it (personally). I really would prefer the form of the SE, but I'm really having a hard time thinking through the fact that I'd be downgrading and losing money on my iPhone 6S.

 

[I7guy]

As to the SE, itself, whether or not someone prefers it is completely a personal opinion. What size phone a person wants is subjective.

I think one would be hard pressed to deny that the March event was one of the least exciting and most boring of any Apple has ever done. I was really excited going into it, but I left pretty deflated.

Regardless of anyone's subjective preference for design or size, it's an objective fact that, based on the specs and hardware, the SE is technologically an inferior phone to the 6S. The hard decision for some, myself included, is determining what matters most to us: form or function. I only buy a new iPhone when there's new technology that warrants it (personally). I really would prefer the form of the SE, but I'm really having a hard time thinking through the fact that I'd be downgrading and losing money on my iPhone 6S.

I enjoyed the March event and thought apple had come to the table with some nice announcements and good information.

There is no denying the SE has some older components, but that it costs less and basically has the same internals as the 6s, does not make it inferior; that's a judgement call. It's certainly your right to make a sole judgement based purely on the spec sheet...

 

[ascender]

Is this not actually a case of Apple listening to customers for once - that big demographic who don't want/need a bigger phone than the form factor of the 5? Its not even like they've done a lazy update of the 5S - performance (nearly) on-par with a 6S is a pretty damn good offering. I think the sales figures will speak for themselves on this one.

If you want the "proper" new iPhone the iPhone 7 will be along later in the year as expected. This phone isn't for you.... If you do want a 4" phone, what's the killer features missing from it that would stop you going for the SE. Force touch? I don't think that's quite a killer feature yet.

As for the March event I thought it was a good event..... a couple of new products and a lot of interesting updates on what's going on with some of their apps. You can't please everyone these days although i'm really not sure what some people expect/want from Apple events these days. Particularly when we generally know what's going to happen a few days in advance of them happening.

 

[maflynn]

Innovation is not capturing every single dollar available just because they can

But for a corporation, being good stewards of its resources is. With double digit growth behind the, Apple needs to ensure they're attacking every sector they can. I don't think its a greed issue as much as seeing an opportunity to make a profit. Apple's innovation is by and large not borne out of altruistic feelings, they make things to make a profit. This is but one piece of that puzzle.

I don't think anyone is saying the SE is an innovative marvel, its not meant to be, its meant to address a segment of consumers that have been clamoring for a 4" phone.

 

[The Game 161]

For the price it really is amazing the specs it actually has.

Just wayyyy too small for me though.i couldn't do anything on it at that a screen size.

 

[leanh1991]

Why inferior in the line up when:

- The SE got better chip and overall performance/battery life than iPhone 6 & 6 plus.
- Price/performance ratio is great. No producers took its latest chip into the handset with that pricetag.
- Much better design than the 6 series IMHO. No camera bump and ugly antenna lines on the back.

I'm one of 6S users who are gonna sell 6S to get the SE. No 3D touch and 1st gen touch ID are minus points but they are not really a big issue for me in anyway.