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I turned Stage Manager on to check, but the animations are smooth as butter on my end. Agreed though they’re pretty intense for something you see all the time. That said I don’t think the animation has changed since the feature was introduced by macOS Ventura. At least not by much.
Sadly it's not smooth for me with M1 mini. I'm using dark mode and even just moving a window around isn't smooth. The text flickers. I think it's worse under Tahoe. Could be because I'm using a scaled HiDPI resolution, too. 2048x1152 instead of native 2160p or 1440p

In any event, the animation is too much to see all the time
 
Hmm... interesting. Reduce Motion has always been a fake control, it never did anything.
Sorry, could you clarify?

The only way to disable animations is to run all kinds of Terminal commands that control different hidden options (or use 3rd-party apps that run the same commands anyway).

I wonder if you mind listing at least three animations that Reduce Motion disables? I'm truly curious to see any evidence that it does something.
On my Mac, it’s disables(d) the animations of launching/closing Launchpad, invoking Mission Control and Expose, and switching between spaces.
 
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Hmm... interesting. Reduce Motion has always been a fake control, it never did anything.

The only way to disable animations is to run all kinds of Terminal commands that control different hidden options (or use 3rd-party apps that run the same commands anyway).

I wonder if you mind listing at least three animations that Reduce Motion disables? I'm truly curious to see any evidence that it does something.

The animation when you switch app with stage manager enabled. When you invoke mission control. The "genie" animation. Little animations like when you click a toggle control or icon on the menu bar
 
When the Reduce motion option became available I immediately turned it on; and now ironically I just take it as part of the experience and can’t imagine having it switched off.

I did try it recently out of curiosity, and the animations honestly made the OS feel hyperactive. The reduced motion just calms everything down.
I missed the reduced motion option and have since downgraded, did it significantly calm down the extra bouncy animations? I know on iOS they were started to annoy me.
 
really? look at the numbers on this poll (under 500 as of 25 sept). what percentage of real world mac users does that represent? and how do you know who, and how many people, are "MUCH WORRIED about the NEW GUI"?

speculation is, sigh, again, not, by definition... fact.
I would say that the poll on this thread is one data point, but it's a data point that aligns with the sentiment of a number of other polls (or up votes) and threads that I've seen. Reddit is pretty wild right now, which is not surprising, but there also a pretty high percentage of media reviews which are also less enthused. Apple will cite the number of downloads for OS26 as an endorsement of the new design, but I'd argue that most people simply trust Apple update without much thought. Excuse the tin foil hat, but I suspect that might why they stopped signing iOS18 so early. This of course does not affect Tahoe as much, but it's pretty clear, a fact even, that this is one of the buggiest rollouts in a while. This is true whether you like the new design or not.
 
I would say that the poll on this thread is one data point, but it's a data point that aligns with the sentiment of a number of other polls (or up votes) and threads that I've seen. Reddit is pretty wild right now, which is not surprising, but there also a pretty high percentage of media reviews which are also less enthused. Apple will cite the number of downloads for OS26 as an endorsement of the new design, but I'd argue that most people simply trust Apple update without much thought. Excuse the tin foil hat, but I suspect that might why they stopped signing iOS18 so early. This of course does not affect Tahoe as much, but it's pretty clear, a fact even, that this is one of the buggiest rollouts in a while. This is true whether you like the new design or not.
i would suggest that, overall, the worry is more about the issues that need to be resolved with LG, than LG itself. and yes, just my opinion.

it is a big change, and i see that ppl have a hard time with 'big' change. either way, it is also a fact that LG is the new look. hopefully it gets better, but it is, for now, the way forward.
 
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Stage Manager is one of those things I never understood Apple pulling into macOS. It's utterly pointless.

Trying to "synchronize" all the different OSes Apple has is one of the biggest mistakes they are making. iOS-ifying macOS is literally stupid.
never used it, but one of my collabs swears by it. i use so little of these things (stage manager, mission control, apple intelligence, the dock 🤯....) but i appreciate that apple gives us tools we can use, or not use.

one person's 'utterly pointless' is someone else's 'totally useful'
 
i would suggest that, overall, the worry is more about the issues that need to be resolved with LG, than LG itself. and yes, just my opinion.

it is a big change, and i see that ppl have a hard time with 'big' change. either way, it is also a fact that LG is the new look. hopefully it gets better, but it is, for now, the way forward.
I have a hard time imagining Apple rolling back LG completely, even if complaints increased. I'm still hopeful that they can make enough necessary changes to satisfy most people. I, for one, was never against the effort but have incredibly disappointed in LG's conception and implementation. It feels like they've strayed from their core values– a commitment to accessibility, clarity, and craft that are reflected in their own Human Interface Guidelines that they publish as guidelines for developers. I wonder if some of their core apps that have adopted LG would even pass their own app review.

Perhaps more worrying, is this rough rollout comes on the heels of the Apple Intelligence rollout. What we have from Apple Intelligence, at least what is forward facing, is largely cartoony look-at-me gobbly-goop that seems desperate to latch onto some trend that passed months/years ago. I would even argue that with the advent of integrated LLMs, users are trending away from complicated GUIs into more text/voice based commands that will continue to upend the app ecosystem. Just as they need to get Apple Intelligence right, they need to get the fundamentals of their GUI right in a way that aligns with their excellent industrial design. These sort of cracks in the ecosystem, where their customers/developers start getting Windows curious, for example, because they're attracted to a cleaner interface with better AI integration, is a real threat to not only hardware sales but services which they continue to rely on for revenue. My hope is that they work it out and find themselves again, and no they don't need to resurrect Jobs to do so, the path is already laid out in the HIG.
 
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These sort of cracks in the ecosystem, where their customers/developers start getting Windows curious, for example, because their attracted to a cleaner interface with better AI integration is a real threat to not only hardware sales but services which they continue to rely on for revenue.
i hear what you're saying, but this, above: what's your source for this info?

is there actual evidence that macusers are thinking about moving to windows? because i have a hard time believing most (non-tech-oriented) ppl would want to change OSes, for any reason. of course, that's just my theory; is your statement also theory?
 
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Stage Manager is one of those things I never understood Apple pulling into macOS. It's utterly pointless.

Trying to "synchronize" all the different OSes Apple has is one of the biggest mistakes they are making. iOS-ifying macOS is literally stupid.
Luckily it’s totally optional. I tried using it for a while but once the novelty wore off I went back to default desktop management.
 
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On my Mac, it’s disables(d) the animations of launching/closing Launchpad, invoking Mission Control and Expose, and switching between spaces.

Oook I see. Thanks. I never use any of these options so I never felt that Reduce Motion does anything.

There are plenty of other annoying animations that the Reduce Motion control doesn't affect
 
Luckily it’s totally optional. I tried using it for a while but once the novelty wore off I went back to default desktop management.

Sure, it's optional, but it also binds developer resources at Apple that could go into actual innovations of macOS instead. When was the last time Apple truly innovated in macOS? I think it dates back to APFS.

Since then, macOS is continuously getting dumbed down and the most major new features introduced at WWDCs are emojis in iMessages and similar childrenstoys. Hilarious.
 
Sure, it's optional, but it also binds developer resources at Apple that could go into actual innovations of macOS instead. When was the last time Apple truly innovated in macOS? I think it dates back to APFS.

Since then, macOS is continuously getting dumbed down and the most major new features introduced at WWDCs are emojis in iMessages and similar childrenstoys. Hilarious.

A few more revisions of macOS and more corner radius increasing and the App windows will be circles.
 
Ssshhh... don't put ideas in their heads

"Across all product lines we wanted uniformity with WatchOS complications"

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Sure, it's optional, but it also binds developer resources at Apple that could go into actual innovations of macOS instead. When was the last time Apple truly innovated in macOS? I think it dates back to APFS.

Since then, macOS is continuously getting dumbed down and the most major new features introduced at WWDCs are emojis in iMessages and similar childrenstoys. Hilarious.
Because a feature isn’t used by you and me doesn’t mean it’s a waste. I know quite a few people at work who do actively use Stage Manager. And in general operating systems have been stagnant for a while now. The biggest change since Mac OS X Tiger for me personally is the pretty seamless way my MacBook Pro now works with my iPhone.

Anyway, this is kinda starting to feel like going down a rabbit hole.
 
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Because a feature isn’t used by you and me doesn’t mean it’s a waste. I know quite a few people at work who do actively use Stage Manager.

So how do we decide if a feature is a waste?

There will always be some people using features that are released, even if they are pretty bad ones.
 
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Because a feature isn’t used by you and me doesn’t mean it’s a waste. I know quite a few people at work who do actively use Stage Manager. And in general operating systems have been stagnant for a while now. The biggest change since Mac OS X Tiger for me personally is the pretty seamless way my MacBook Pro now works with my iPhone.

Anyway, this is kinda starting to feel like going down a rabbit hole.
ppl here who don't like something generally don't want to discuss it, they just want others to agree with them 🤷
 
So how do we decide if a feature is a waste?

There will always be some people using features that are released, even if they are pretty bad ones.
you forgot to say "they are pretty bad ones in my opinion". why is it so hard for ppl to own their opinions, or to understand that there are other points-of view? 😔
 
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Because a feature isn’t used by you and me doesn’t mean it’s a waste.

I didn't say the feature is a waste. It's nice to have for some, for sure. I said it binds developer resources that could be spent for better things that have a greater impact on macOS than trying to unify iOS, iPadOS and macOS.

ppl here who don't like something generally don't want to discuss it, they just want others to agree with them 🤷

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