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Do you like the MacOS Ventura System settings? [MERGED]

As someone who came from iOs to Mac OS, I always found the discrepancy between Settings app (iOS) and Systems Preferences (Mac OS) jarring. Years later, I still search for Settings when using Spotlight 😆

I like this redesign because it brings both platforms more in unison. I won't spend a lot of time in the settings, but the time I do, I appreciate a simplified experience.
 
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xgman said:
Also, when you have to look up a "how too fix" on the web now, you get the old System screen layout which more than not, is different and with different functions than this new one. That is going to take some time to update all the troubleshooting tips.
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Id argue most of them would never be fixed unless maybe someone got paid to do so. Or another more likely outcome is those tips are updated specifically for Ventura just like in windows world.
 
ponzicoinbro said:
That’s a great example of how jumbled up it is.

We had a Users panel. Everything for the user account in one place. No guesswork or hunting required.
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Unless you wanted to log in via touch ID, which was in its own preference pane.
Or you wanted to adjust how long until you have to put in your username and password, which was hidden in the security and privacy settings.
So no, it really wasn’t all in one place.
 
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hugo_necst said:
Some of us have been using Macs since System 6 and we (those of us who have) know a violation of Apple's own "Human Interface Guidelines" when we see it. The new "System Settings" in macOS 13 beta is just such a violation.

iOS looks the way it does because it must conform to the limitations of a tiny screen - the classic case of stuffing 10lbs of "stuff" in a 5lb sack. It is a compromise between usability and visibility.

27" screens share no such limitations. There is plenty of real estate to spread out and no reason to compromise just for the sake of convention.
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Apple has *never* followed those guidelines to a T.
Anyone remember the brushed metal windows in the early versions of Mac OS X?
The brushed metal windows that were Only supposed to be used in applications that emulated real world objects like a calculator,or used precise controls… Until Apple decided they didn’t actually care and just slapped it on everything?
Or how about when they unified the window look a couple years later… Only to start adding fake leather and green felt to applications just because?
Apple has never treated their human interface guidelines as actual guidelines internally, just as loose recommendations
 
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exoticSpice said:
Because in Steve’s era, Apple did not release betas that were this buggy and bad and bad design decisions.
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From the ArsTechnica Mac OS X Leopard review:
“For the longest time, very early in Leopard's development process, it wouldn't even boot my (PowerPC) Mac successfully. Each newly downloaded developer version would kernel panic before getting to the Finder. This was discouraging, to say the least. No previous Mac OS X version behaved this badly for this long during its development. Eventually, the kernel panic was fixed, and I could finally boot. But as the release month of October approached, there were still an alarming number of basic things that did not work reliably. I was getting bad flashbacks of the bug-ridden 10.4.0 release.”
That was from 2007.
So… you were saying?
Or let’s not forget about the initial 10.6.0 release of snow leopard that was literally erasing peoples data without their permission or knowledge.
Steve would be rolling in his grave… If he wasn’t alive at the time and the CEO of Apple and in charge.
I swear the Steve Jobs worship here is insane.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
From the ArsTechnica Mac OS X Leopard review:
“For the longest time, very early in Leopard's development process, it wouldn't even boot my (PowerPC) Mac successfully. Each newly downloaded developer version would kernel panic before getting to the Finder. This was discouraging, to say the least. No previous Mac OS X version behaved this badly for this long during its development. Eventually, the kernel panic was fixed, and I could finally boot. But as the release month of October approached, there were still an alarming number of basic things that did not work reliably. I was getting bad flashbacks of the bug-ridden 10.4.0 release.”
That was from 2007.
So… you were saying?
Or let’s not forget about the initial 10.6.0 release of snow leopard that was literally erasing peoples data without their permission or knowledge.
Steve would be rolling in his grave… If he wasn’t alive at the time and the CEO of Apple and in charge.
I swear the Steve Jobs worship here is insane.
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so macOS was always buggy and not stable. Just like every other OS in the world.
 
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Where have all the battery and power settings gone to? It’s just graphs now and a wake for network access option. Like what?
 
I don’t see how the Wacom system preferences pane will fit in the new Settings app so they might need to make it a separate app otherwise there will be two versions, one for Ventura and one for older macOS.
 
einsteinbqat said:
Where have all the battery and power settings gone to? It’s just graphs now and a wake for network access option. Like what?
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One of the things I appreciate is moving away from preset timed sleep settings in Mac OS. How many times have you started to run a backup application, only to return and see the screen is dark, and you have to unlock the MBP and see the backup failed as an example. Now if you are running a backup application process in the foreground it recognizes if it is active until it finishes then allows the Mac to sleep. Look at this as new smart energy modes whether you are using battery or on power adapter. You now can select to run automatically like my example above or select low power or high power usage manually.
 
Another good improvement is that whenever an app requests a privacy setting that needs to be changed, the appropriate privacy setting is displayed once the link is clicked. This isn't true with macOS Monterey - you must manually navigate to the privacy setting.

Other than this change, the entire UI is terrible. I don't want to have to search for a setting. I hated it in Beta 1 and I still hate it now.
 
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Jeff Kirvin said:
It's much, much better in Beta 6. I think at this point it's ready to ship and people who still have a problem with it are just change-averse.
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I do too, still I think it's got some distance to accomplish before it ships. :)

I still see Safari have some memory management issues with playing consecutive videos from a sVOD host site on occasion. Watching several episodes of a TV series in a row might not release memory optimally. This seems to affect the performance of using another browser such as Firefox impacting the speed you can access/present a web URL .

The new Metal 3 while working fairly decent could stand to be more optimized compared to CPU temps with previous metal 2. Stage Manage is still not ideal yet.
 
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My biggest bug bear.

If your mouse isn't turned on/paired, the "Mouse" setting doesn't appear in the sidebar. Was driving me insane when i needed to swap the mac my magic mouse was connected to.
 
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the8thark said:
Do you like the MacOS Ventura System settings?
Or do you prefer them as they are now?

Personally I am not a fan of Apple iOS-ifying MacOS but what are your thoughts?

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New settings is just terrible !

It's a 21"+ screen not a 5" 😄
 
I like the name consistency. Always wondered about Preferences in MacOS and Settings in iOS. So far the functionality is good too although I haven't actually used much yet, just reviewed them.
 
pubic beta 9 … sending a message from notes is not pretty.
it seems to collate, condense then send.
monterey notes is way easier.
also VLC seems to switch from 16:9 to a random 'taller' size.
QuickTime is more obedient yet i find QT to be lacking in essential features the VLC provides.
such as fast fwd, short replay (what did that character say?) and so forth.
that said, ventura is very pleasing.
hopefully the initial release and subsequent updates should iron these issues out.
 
halledise said:
pubic beta 9 … sending a message from notes is not pretty.
it seems to collate, condense then send.
monterey notes is way easier.
also VLC seems to switch from 16:9 to a random 'taller' size.
QuickTime is more obedient yet i find QT to be lacking in essential features the VLC provides.
such as fast fwd, short replay (what did that character say?) and so forth.
that said, ventura is very pleasing.
hopefully the initial release and subsequent updates should iron these issues out.
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wrong thread? hmmm

am so used to the new settings now, i would never want to go back. but no worries! apple will change it all up someday in the future.. 🤣
 
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I'll echo many of the comments. I got used to it. I'm annoyed when I go on my work Mac running Monterey and the settings (oops, system prefs) are different. Settings still needs some work, but I think in the long-term it'll be better.
 
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