Just for the record - I'm having the same problems and the same annoyances with a clean install as I had with an upgrade.
Doug
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Do you regret upgrading to Leopard?
- Thread starter calhotdog
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Just for the record - I'm having the same problems and the same annoyances with a clean install as I had with an upgrade.
Doug
Leopard = Way Over-Hyped
I can't say I regret upgrading to Leopard. But it was way over hyped IMO, and it does not seem as stable overall as 10.4.x. (I did a clean install, install all updates - including 10.5.1, etc. Macbook c2d 2ghz 2GB)
Again... Way over-hyped 😡
I can't say I regret upgrading to Leopard. But it was way over hyped IMO, and it does not seem as stable overall as 10.4.x. (I did a clean install, install all updates - including 10.5.1, etc. Macbook c2d 2ghz 2GB)
Again... Way over-hyped 😡
I regret upgrading right when it came out, but now it is working well enough that I don't. Daaa, live and learn: wait a bit to upgrade.
At first it was a lot more unstable. It took 1.5.1 and that other update to whatever it was that came out right before it but it wasn't called a Leopard update. I think it was that other update that allowed repairing permissions. The other Time Machine isn't compatible with a Lacie SAFE drive (which Lacie still doesn't mention on their website as they continue to sell these drives to unsuspecting Leopard users), and so I recently purchased a WD Elements drive (can't say enough good about this drive, by the way), formatted it appropriately, and Time Machine is working flawlessly. There may be other backup software that does just as much and maybe more, but I think Time Machine is cool.
No regrets other than buying it right when it came out and wasting a lot of time over the first few days.
At first it was a lot more unstable. It took 1.5.1 and that other update to whatever it was that came out right before it but it wasn't called a Leopard update. I think it was that other update that allowed repairing permissions. The other Time Machine isn't compatible with a Lacie SAFE drive (which Lacie still doesn't mention on their website as they continue to sell these drives to unsuspecting Leopard users), and so I recently purchased a WD Elements drive (can't say enough good about this drive, by the way), formatted it appropriately, and Time Machine is working flawlessly. There may be other backup software that does just as much and maybe more, but I think Time Machine is cool.
No regrets other than buying it right when it came out and wasting a lot of time over the first few days.
CashGap
macrumors 6502
Leaving all the fabulous features out of the discussion (Time Machine is worth upgrading for), I'd do it again in heartbeat just for the improved stability compared to 10.4.9 (last Tiger version I ran).
I think the way networked drives were handled cause me a ton of problems on MBP with corporate network. Day one with Leopard those problems were GONE and I finally had the stability I'd read about.
I think the way networked drives were handled cause me a ton of problems on MBP with corporate network. Day one with Leopard those problems were GONE and I finally had the stability I'd read about.
megatronbomb
macrumors 6502
Leopard was way over hyped. The morning of the release my DVD arrived and I did a clean install. I've been having increasing crashes with mail, and other apps hang a lot more now (Transmission, Safari, TextEdit even) over the past several weeks. Honestly I'm regretting having moved to 10.5.
Absolutely not. I've been very pleased with the upgrade on my four Macs and have quickly gotten used to the many new features and subtle improvements and would miss them if I were back on Tiger. I haven't had any notable issues either, thankfully.
I haven't had any problems upgrading, and it's been great. I kind of miss the Tiger dock, but the Leopard one isn't as bad as everyone says it is. I love the unified look, and being able to tell which app is the active one is great. Time Machine hasn't failed me yet, in fact it saved me once! I have noticed my battery life going down, but that's probably just from using it a lot more. 😉 No regrets here.
FoxyKaye
macrumors 68000
Not feeling the Leopard
I did an Archive/Install on my G5 iMac after 10.5.1, and since it seems like every small process will rev the CPU up to max utilization (and my system fans as well) - QuickTime, Flash, Mozy, printing, importing in iTunes - the list goes on. I've got a 2GHz/2 GB RAM system, so it's not for lack of horsepower or memory. I seem to recall similar issues when Tiger was first released, so I'm hoping they'll go away with 10.5.2. But, suffice to say that these problems plus the list of 3rd party applications that have compatibility problems (including Acrobat Professional) means that our office won't be upgrading until well into 2008.
And why the heck did Apple screw with the UI so much? It's all low-contrast and frankly illegible at times.
I did an Archive/Install on my G5 iMac after 10.5.1, and since it seems like every small process will rev the CPU up to max utilization (and my system fans as well) - QuickTime, Flash, Mozy, printing, importing in iTunes - the list goes on. I've got a 2GHz/2 GB RAM system, so it's not for lack of horsepower or memory. I seem to recall similar issues when Tiger was first released, so I'm hoping they'll go away with 10.5.2. But, suffice to say that these problems plus the list of 3rd party applications that have compatibility problems (including Acrobat Professional) means that our office won't be upgrading until well into 2008.
And why the heck did Apple screw with the UI so much? It's all low-contrast and frankly illegible at times.
I like Leopard for the most part however it needs fixes. I really like the UI but the flaws and issues are very annoying such as WiFi,Keyboard,Safari and other general flaws.
I regret it for sure. There are so many annoying bugs I'm experiencing that I'm on my last nerve... and with a clean install. I went ahead and spent money on a brand new external HD to back up all my files, thinking that the clean install would help to repair my airport issue I had with tiger. Ended up making the airport issue even worse causing me to restart my computer 3-5x a day at the very least. Add to that all the bugs I've been experiencing with leopard that I didn't have a problem with in tiger, and you've got one huge headache. This weekend, I'll most likely be going back to tiger until Apple fixes some of these issues. Too bad I was one of the unlucky few that seems to be having so many problems with it. 😡
When my Macbook comes tomorrow, the first thing I'll do is turn it on to confirm it works. The second will be to replace the RAM. And the third?
A fresh install of Tiger. I don't have time to debug Apple's OS for them. Maybe some people do, but I don't. I bought my computer to work for me, not to get me worked up. Good luck to the rest of you.
A fresh install of Tiger. I don't have time to debug Apple's OS for them. Maybe some people do, but I don't. I bought my computer to work for me, not to get me worked up. Good luck to the rest of you.
i have several macs, and i do regret upgrading my powerbook to leopard. frankly, it just wasn't worth it: the additional features in leopard were not worth the compatibility problems. in the end it comes down to a poor decision on apple's part, since the final release wasn't seeded to developers until after it was available to the general public. from an engineering perspective, that's an incredibly stupid thing to do. (if you want to dispute this, i humbly suggest that you are ignorant.) i'm not denying that they had their reasons, but in the end it's a losing situation. on the plus side, my powerbook now serves as a testbed for validating leopard compatibility.
Creibold
macrumors regular
First mac I've ever owned worked came with leopard and I love it!! Even though I have vista setup through bootcamp & VMware I really don't want to back to it... at all. This OS is just so beautiful.
Also... my apple remote works with VLC and Mplayer so i wonder what your problem is there?
Also... my apple remote works with VLC and Mplayer so i wonder what your problem is there?
Krevnik
macrumors 601
No regrets... but then again, I also used pretty much every beta build available to my seed account. I knew some of the incompatibilities leading into RTM, and reported a few issues to 3rd party app devs as a result of it.
It would have been nice to seed the WWDC build sooner. There were bugs in the new APIs I didn't even find until 1-2 builds before RTM when I was deep in development.
If you think Leopard RTM was bad, there were a couple stinker builds with regard to Nvidia 8xxx drivers and Airport on SR MBPs.
It would have been nice to seed the WWDC build sooner. There were bugs in the new APIs I didn't even find until 1-2 builds before RTM when I was deep in development.
If you think Leopard RTM was bad, there were a couple stinker builds with regard to Nvidia 8xxx drivers and Airport on SR MBPs.
QuarterSwede
macrumors G4
My wife seems to feel that didn't get fixed! 😛
Leopard has been worth it just for Quick Look and Spaces. Two complete productivity boosters. If only they could get Stacks right. 🙄
OldCorpse
macrumors 68000
I went to an Apple store on several occasions and played with Leopard for quite some time. After careful consideration, I decided not to buy Leopard and to stay with Tiger.
The main reasons were - all from my point of view, of course:
1) Disastrous step back on the GUI. The dock is a disaster. The new folder icons are a laughable throwback to something out of 1985. The list goes on.
2) Stacks is an abomination with crippled functionality. Safari is crashy, as is Mail.app.
3) Too many bugs as yet - probably won't be fixed until 10.5.4
4) No "must have" features - well, perhaps except for QuickLook - I don't care for coverflow, time machine, spaces and whatever other minor things like slightly changed finder etc.
Bottom line, I see no reason to downgrade to Leopard. I'm happy with Tiger.
I feel like I dodged a bullet by avoiding Leopard. In fact, if I buy an iMac next year, I'm installing Tiger on it. I'll wait to see what 10.6 brings before I even consider changing from Tiger - so far it does everything I want.
The main reasons were - all from my point of view, of course:
1) Disastrous step back on the GUI. The dock is a disaster. The new folder icons are a laughable throwback to something out of 1985. The list goes on.
2) Stacks is an abomination with crippled functionality. Safari is crashy, as is Mail.app.
3) Too many bugs as yet - probably won't be fixed until 10.5.4
4) No "must have" features - well, perhaps except for QuickLook - I don't care for coverflow, time machine, spaces and whatever other minor things like slightly changed finder etc.
Bottom line, I see no reason to downgrade to Leopard. I'm happy with Tiger.
I feel like I dodged a bullet by avoiding Leopard. In fact, if I buy an iMac next year, I'm installing Tiger on it. I'll wait to see what 10.6 brings before I even consider changing from Tiger - so far it does everything I want.
iMpathetic
macrumors 68030
I don't think I regret upgrading to Leopard. i am, however, a tad dissapointed with it so far. The performance on my 1.33GHz iBook with Leopard is quite sluggish. Of course, it was sluggish with Tiger after 10.4.11...
Totally. My macbook now has these keyboard/trackpad freeze things after wakeup from sleep, and won't stop until I take out the battery. The software update didn't fix it.
I'm typing this now on Tiger.
I'm😡@
!
Since clean installing Leopard I have had an issue with WoW framerates (and I've seen this problem mentioned elsewhere). It also periodically has graphical anomalies which are fixed by toggling between windowed mode and fullscreen. I'm hoping for 10.5.2 to fix this, as it is very difficult to raid when your framerate drops to 8 in the middle of a boss fight 😡
Other than that, it's been fine for me. I was disappointed to not find HD DVD support (it had been 2.5 years since they promised it) but that's not an upgrade issue.
Other than that, it's been fine for me. I was disappointed to not find HD DVD support (it had been 2.5 years since they promised it) but that's not an upgrade issue.
