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Do you smoke?

  • Yes

    Votes: 66 15.4%
  • No

    Votes: 319 74.5%
  • Occasionally

    Votes: 43 10.0%

  • Total voters
    428
Johnny Rico said:
However I feel that it is disappointing that you use the phrase "do drugs" in the context that you do, as if the subjects of eating Kiddie Aspirin, smoking Marijuana, or banging Smack bear no neccessity to differentiate between them.
See, personally, I don't see how you can classify marijuana as "not drugs". Drugs to me are the misuse of any, well, drug, lol. Including cigarettes, and whatever.

Let me tell you something else though. Don't take this the wrong way, but doing drugs, or shall I put it in better terms; using substances, is one thing (which I think is extremely stupid). Posting that you do so and ever posting pictures of your stash? on a message board is almost as stupid. If you don't want people to jump on you and start arguments...why ever post it? Seems pointless...

Johnny Rico said:
I'm not sure what this means exactly, unless its a reference to red/green colorblindedness.
What I meant to say was that whatever you posted a picture of made me feel like I wanted to throw up without it even being in front of me.
 
ITASOR said:
See, personally, I don't see how you can classify marijuana as "not drugs". Drugs to me are the misuse of any, well, drug, lol. Including cigarettes, and whatever.

Let me tell you something else though. Don't take this the wrong way, but doing drugs, or shall I put it in better terms; using substances, is one thing (which I think is extremely stupid). Posting that you do so and ever posting pictures of your stash? on a message board is almost as stupid. If you don't want people to jump on you and start arguments...why ever post it? Seems pointless...


What I meant to say was that whatever you posted a picture of made me feel like I wanted to throw up without it even being in front of me.

marijuana is definitely a drug and can be used in a detrimental way but also in a beneficial way

having seeing my wife go through 4 months of chemotherapy makes me a believer in anti-nausea agents, even if it includes valium derivatives or marijuana or other products, which may or may not be villified but work to certain degrees

i like the idea of decriminalization of marijuana but not to the point of having people be able to drive while smoking...alcohol is legal, but in certain circumstances and it's a good thing that it's not allowed while driving, flying, or operating a boat
 
jefhatfield said:
marijuana is definitely a drug and can be used in a detrimental way but also in a beneficial way

having seeing my wife go through 4 months of chemotherapy makes me a believer in anti-nausea agents, even if it includes valium derivatives or marijuana or other products, which may or may not be villified but work to certain degrees

i like the idea of decriminalization of marijuana but not to the point of having people be able to drive while smoking...alcohol is legal, but in certain circumstances and it's a good thing that it's not allowed while driving, flying, or operating a boat

Yeah, for medical reasons, I can see it being OK...but not them handing you some joints...do they give it to you in a more reasonable way?
 
ITASOR said:
Yeah, for medical reasons, I can see it being OK...

Yeah, but one could make the argument that cocaine has some pain relief attributes as well. Should it be allowed for medicinal purposes as well then? Where do you draw the line? ;)
 
ITASOR said:
Yeah, for medical reasons, I can see it being OK...but not them handing you some joints...do they give it to you in a more reasonable way?

Laws and regulations vary, but in certain places you're allowed to grow it and do whatever you want with it, and, I believe, in certain places you can get a card permitting you to go to a store and buy it, and do whatever you want with it.


Tobacco and alcohol are as much 'drugs' as pot, all other 'drugs' (cocaine, heroin, amphetamine...etc etc) are just f**ked up and really, really, unbelievably stupid. Just because I think pot should be legal doesn't mean I've ever tried or would ever dream of trying any of those drugs.
 
OutThere said:
Tobacco and alcohol are as much 'drugs' as pot.

Quite true. Hell, caffeine is a drug as well - does that mean we should start ripping into coffee drinkers as well? :p :D (btw, I'm against smoking, just throwing comments out there for argument's sake... :eek: ;))
 
~Shard~ said:
Quite true. Hell, caffeine is a drug as well - does that mean we should start ripping into coffee drinkers as well? :p :D (btw, I'm against smoking, just throwing comments out there for argument's sake... :eek: ;))

True as well...though even if you're against smoking, pot can be consumed in other ways, for example, cooked into food, that have 0 harmful effects.

Smoking in itself is bad for you, and, in general I'm against it (I like to be good to my body), but pot can be enjoyed without smoke (besides, the smoke smells bloody heinous).
 
ITASOR said:
Yeah, for medical reasons, I can see it being OK...but not them handing you some joints...do they give it to you in a more reasonable way?

my wife took the valium derivative adavan and it worked very well...and the only way i have seen this medicine is in tablet form

where i live, our county used to give out marijuana in joint form and in tablet form...that is, until adavan came along which works better than almost anything that is reasonable

there is an anal supository (sp?) that i know works wonders for nausea but it can make a person too drowsy to drive...more so than valium or marijuana...so it's not practical for everyday use if a person has to work and drive

i once had extreme nausea caused from lactose intolerance...very bad...and they gave me this supository and it demolished the nausea and all related symptoms in ten seconds flat but it got me higher than a kite so i was not permitted to leave the hospital or drive for several hours...he he...it not only took away the nausea but made my montezuma revenge turn regular...not too hard and not too soft and it's as if i never had any problems with my stomach and i was ready to hit the nightclub and dance ;)

...but that could have also been due to the narcotic effects of the drug which was in a chocolate hershey's kiss type of pill which made me almost eat it :)
 
Abstract said:
Like I said, I think it's ridiculous that people here bash "smokers" when there are so many other issues that people would never touch upon because they're guilty guilty guilty of participating in these activities.

Lets ban bacon as well. I eat it, but it's bad for your body.

Same with suntanning and beaches, and hell, ban skydiving. People collect onto beaches and get hit by UV for hours.

In fact, ban red meat. Let's ban beef. My research, which will contribute towards treating prostate cancer, the most common form of cancer in most countries (lung cancer is the other one biggie), would end and not be necessary , would surely end since there would be much less of a need for it.

People who just sit and say "Smoking is bad for you. Why would anyone want to give themselves cancer?" isn't thinking. Sorry, but you're not. Not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer, and not everyone who doesn't smoke will avoid getting lung cancer. Christopher Reeves' wife is an example. Poor diets kill more people than smoking does, but many of the people who don't smoke won't say anything about that. Same with people who have ever had a sunburn. Lets see those people get out of the sun.

Lets ban preaching. It's annoying and doesn't do us any good. Everyone finds release in their own way. :)

Exactly, our priorities are out of whack.
 
~Shard~ said:
Yeah, but one could make the argument that cocaine has some pain relief attributes as well. Should it be allowed for medicinal purposes as well then? Where do you draw the line? ;)

IMO, all drugs should be legal. Education is the key. We should have learned long ago that prohibition doesn't work. Just look at the so called Drug War- it's done nothing but cost money. I mean come on! Banning a plant like cannibus or coca? It's naturally occuring thing. Ridiculous.
 
leekohler said:
IMO, all drugs should be legal. Education is the key. We should have learned long ago that prohibition doesn't work. Just look at the so called Drug War- it's done nothing but cost money. I mean come on! Banning a plant like cannibus or coca? It's naturally occuring thing. Ridiculous.

Sounds good. Make it all legal and tax the crap out of them all, like they've done with cigarettes - think of the revenues... :eek:
 
leekohler said:
IMO, all drugs should be legal. Education is the key. We should have learned long ago that prohibition doesn't work. Just look at the so called Drug War- it's done nothing but cost money. I mean come on! Banning a plant like cannibus or coca? It's naturally occuring thing. Ridiculous.

This is true...the netherlands are a good example...after pot was legalized there was a rise in use for a while, but now it has dropped off considerably.

As long as something isn't considered taboo, and people recognize that it's a stupid thing to do, the usage rates would be much lower.

That said, legalizing drugs all at once would make some pretty nasty problems for a while until it settled down. :eek:
 
OutThere said:
This is true...the netherlands are a good example...after pot was legalized there was a rise in use for a while, but now it has dropped off considerably.

As long as something isn't considered taboo, and people recognize that it's a stupid thing to do, the usage rates would be much lower.

That said, legalizing drugs all at once would make some pretty nasty problems for a while until it settled down. :eek:

Bingo- but I feel the end result would be positive.
 
Don't know if it's too late to post... I used to smoke, and I'd still do it if it weren't so bad for me. Smoking was fun. There was something very relaxing about lifting a cig to the mouth and inhaling. And, dare I say, kind of cool, in a twisted sort of way. Anyways, I dissected a cadaver with lung cancer in medical school, and we couldn't get the lung out it was so adhered to the chest wall, and, this guy had mets all over, AND they looked really painful even though the guy was dead and preserved. That was the final cig, a few days after all that.
 
leekohler said:
Bingo- but I feel the end result would be positive.

Decriminalization anyone? It can be a gradual change, a quick change would cause chaos. Stupid US and their drug war.
 
greatdevourer said:
Now we're moving on to excuses. You can't really say "because we have these evils, why not have those as well?", because it will continue moving back and back.

Back and back to...what...exactly?

Why cocain was illegalized, according to wikipedia:

By the turn of the twentieth century, the addictive properties of cocaine had become clear to many, and the problem of cocaine abuse began to capture public attention in the United States. The dangers of cocaine abuse became part of a moral panic that was tied to the dominant racial and social anxieties of the day. In 1903, the American Journal of Pharmacy stressed that most cocaine abusers were "bohemians, gamblers, high- and low-class prostitutes, night porters, bell boys, burglars, racketeers, pimps, and casual laborers." In 1914, Dr. Christopher Koch of Pennsylvania’s State Pharmacy Board made the racial innuendo explicit, testifying that, “Most of the attacks upon the white women of the South are the direct result of a cocaine-crazed Negro brain.” Mass media manufactured an epidemic of cocaine use among African Americans in the Southern United States to play upon racial prejudices of the era, though there is little evidence that such an epidemic actually took place. In the same year, the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act outlawed the use of cocaine in the United States.

The ban of Heroin:
Following the Spanish-American War the U.S. took over government of the Philippines. Confronted with a licensing system for opium addicts, a Commission of Inquiry was appointed to examine alternatives to this system. The Brent Commission recommended that narcotics should be subject to international control.

This proposal was supported by the United States Department of State and in 1906 President Theodore Roosevelt called for an international opium conference, which was held in Shanghai in 1909. A second conference was held at The Hague in 1911, and out of it came the first international opium agreement, The Hague Convention of 1912, aimed primarily at solving the British-caused opium problems of China.


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My point is that while that these drugs are bad for you in one way or another (some more than others), their criminalization is new, and that by decriminalizing some of these drugs, we are not reverting back to a barabrian society. I agree that no brain altering substance should be used while driving, and I fully support the illegality of driving under the influence. Just like with alcohol, if the drug use causes crime, abuse, child neglegence- then the same laws should apply.

Look at it this way; if someone wants to get drugs, they will get drugs. If someone is against drugs, they will not do drugs. The reason I support the legalization of some drugs is not because I love crackheads, but because I think that the laws surrounding first time offenders of minor crimes involving drugs are insane. You can go to jail longer for possession than do for raping a 10 year old (source Reefer Madness). That needs to be changed.
 
I trust that many of you who are (rightly) concerned with having to deal with the toxic smoke of smokers and support smoking bans, are also pushing your local congressmen and city councils to add more clean and public transportation to your cities and demanding that something be done about all the toxic fumes we are forced to deal with while stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic for 45 minutes twice-a-day.

Even better, you might write this letter to your Congressman while eating some Cheetos or Doritos that come in bright colors not known to nature and with ingredient lists that look like the wet-dream of a chemistry majors perfect scrabble game.

Look everyone is entitled to look after their health, and not have it impinged on by others. Nevertheless, the fact is, that it is impinged on by others every day in a multitude of ways and that what's more, almost all of us actively pursue things we know to be unhealthy to our lives - out of laziness, indoctrination or whatever. Just a friendly reminder that in some ways that smoker you see on the corner is a distilled reflection of us all. So who are we hating here, exactly?
 
EricNau said:
No, I don't, but studies have proven that small amounts of alcohol can be good for your body; whereas smoking is not good for you in any amount.

Not alcohol, just red wine for your heart. But it's just rationalizing. My dad drank, on average, about one 12 ounce can of beer every day from his 20s to 40s and had to have a liver transplant. Things in moderation can still kill you.

And about under 18 kids posting their opinions. The large majority of kids will repeat the message that smoking is bad until they go to college and go to parties where it's a great way to socialize. And what are you going to offer your girl after a rigorous bout of sodomy? Skittles?
 
blackfox said:
I trust that many of you who are (rightly) concerned with having to deal with the toxic smoke of smokers and support smoking bans, are also pushing your local congressmen and city councils to add more clean and public transportation to your cities and demanding that something be done about all the toxic fumes we are forced to deal with while stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic for 45 minutes twice-a-day.

Even better, you might write this letter to your Congressman while eating some Cheetos or Doritos that come in bright colors not known to nature and with ingredient lists that look like the wet-dream of a chemistry majors perfect scrabble game.

Look everyone is entitled to look after their health, and not have it impinged on by others. Nevertheless, the fact is, that it is impinged on by others every day in a multitude of ways and that what's more, almost all of us actively pursue things we know to be unhealthy to our lives - out of laziness, indoctrination or whatever. Just a friendly reminder that in some ways that smoker you see on the corner is a distilled reflection of us all. So who are we hating here, exactly?

Amen, brother. Very intelligent post. Nobody ever asks themselves why corn is such a major ingredient in everything. Corn is in Cheetos, Doritos, and other similar crap. High fructose corn syrup is the main ingredient in almost all sodas. Doesn't anyone find this odd? It's the major reason America is the most unhealthy industrialized country. And definitely the fattest. We originally subsidized, very generously, corn farmers due to faltering crops many, many, many years ago. But it is still in effect to this day, resulting in such an overabundance of corn we don't know what to do with it.
 
greatdevourer said:
Now we're moving on to excuses. You can't really say "because we have these evils, why not have those as well?", because it will continue moving back and back.

Out of alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana, only one has proven medical benefits. Guess which one? Not one single study has ever proven marijuana to be more harmful than equivalent cigarette smoking and short term memory loss. It is probably the best pain reliever you can get; no side effects. It's the only effective medicine for glaucoma. I'm on the fence whether it should be legal, but it definitely should be decriminalized. Why should my tax dollars go towards catching, prosecuting, and housing someone who's only crime is smoking pot?
 
irmongoose said:
I don't smoke. I don't really give a damn if others do, as if I really care about anyone else's health. :rolleyes:

But the only reason I passionately despise smokers is because I live in Japan. These people have no manners or sense whatsoever. Kind of ironic with the whole Japanese image of being overtly polite but, hey whaddaya know. They smoke on the street while walking (some districts have banned them but most smokers just ignore it because there's zero enforcement), they smoke in restaurants, they smoke in taxis, they smoke in parks... everywhere.

It's not so much the adverse effect of second-hand smoking that bugs me, but it's the STENCH. Cigarettes smell AWFUL and dammit get that thing away from my face. Go into a closed room full of smoke if you want, but don't do it around me or you'll get punched in the face. Fuc*ers ruining my clothes.

I don't drink or do any drugs either, but that's just me.




irmongoose

Want to know why? The Japanese government owns half of the tobacco industry. At least in the US, it's done through lobbying and bribes.
 
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