Do you think it would be tacky or lame to get a Steve Jobs quote as a tattoo?

[C DM]

Oh you know, "it's not professional" or "who do you think you are? Elvis?" or "girls will think it looks bad" or "you look messy and unkempt"

The fact is I like experimenting with my facial hair so I try different looks. The only thing I don't like is facial hair on my chin and neck.

Well, being messy or unkempt is one thing, but longer or shorter sideburns being "unprofessional" or people taking up something about Elvis or girls not liking it (short of it all being some friend or family joke type of thing) that in itself seems more silly than anything about something like the length of sideburns.

 

[Apple fanboy]

What judgement could people make about sideburns?

I used to have just one sideburn and a blue beard.
I was working as a hospital porter for a few months and I got asked to remove it by my boss.

 

[44267547]

"But by the same token, that man can be one of the most caring and gentle men there is. Why judge him because of his outward appearance? Isn't what is on the insides more important then what may be on the outside?"

This^Which is exactly what I was trying to explain to another User on this thread previously, which she apparently can not grasp my point from the start, due to her fear of tattoo's on men and voicing for other female's 'Apparently.'

I have hired hundreds of Police Officers, the men and women of Law Enforcement sworn to protect, which a majority of them are tattooed, some of them, including the female Officer's are heavily tattooed. They are not required to cover the tattoo's, unless they convey something offensive or vulgar.

These Officers protect us from society's harms and yet because she/he has tattoo's, we should fear them on or off duty for body ink, obviously not knowing who they are, but society has a preset notion of how we 'Assess' these individuals.

I fear the worst for these individuals in life who are alarmed of people based off something which has nothing to do with their Own persona, merely an expression or idea of who they are, not what they are.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

"But by the same token, that man can be one of the most caring and gentle men there is. Why judge him because of his outward appearance? Isn't what is on the insides more important then what may be on the outside?"

But if he looks like the individual pictured he will have a harder job persuading those around him that he is indeed, the "most caring and gentle man there is".

Indeed, if he is the 'most caring and gentle man there is' why, then, go to so much trouble to flag the fact that he is most likely nothing of the sort?

This^Which is exactly what I was trying to explain to another User on this thread previously, which she apparently can not grasp my point from the start, due to her fear of tattoo's on men and voicing for other female's 'Apparently.'

Oh, dear.

I do believe that even though Mr @Relentless Power indicated that he wished to engage in no further conversation - dialogue? but, that requires two people, - discussion? - with me, he feels impelled to return to this topic in order to repeat himself.

Now, disinterring the repeated points in these repetitive posts, I think that he has 'issues' with the use of the verb 'appraise', - above all - it seems- when women are doing the 'appraising'.

And, above all, when conducting an appraisal in the context of a risk analysis.

I have hired hundreds of Police Officers, the men and women of Law Enforcement sworn to protect, which a majority of them are tattooed, some of them, including the female Officer's are heavily tattooed. They are not required to cover the tattoo's, unless they convey something offensive or vulgar.

These Officers protect us from society's harms and yet because she/he has tattoo's, we should fear them on or off duty for body ink, obviously not knowing who they are, but society has a preset notion of how we 'Assess' these individuals.

I fear the worst for these individuals in life who are alarmed of people based off something which has nothing to do with their Own persona, merely an expression or idea of who they are, not what they are.

Objectively, tattoos can be viewed in a cultural context.

Subjectively, they give rise to strong reactions, a fact testified to by many (mostly male) posters who have already posted in this thread.

Now, there are societies - such as the Maori in New Zealand, or indeed, Hawaii, and other such places - where such adornments are often an admired and respected means of identifying with - or being a part of - a warrior culture, - and where tattoos have a different cultural meaning to the western world.

But, and this is a key distinction, we are not from the Maori culture of New Zealand, we are living, working and writing in the west, a core part of the first world.

In our society, someone adorned with highly visible tattoos is thought to be deliberately sending a series of visual messages.

They can be as caring and gentle and as sensitive as they like, but why, then, choose to send a visible message inked on your body that suggests that while this is indeed, perfectly possible, on the balance of probabilities, it is, nevertheless, highly unlikely?

This is because in the western world, those who wear visible tattoos tend to be involved in the criminal world (gangs, prisons, Hell's angels), or in - sometimes - law enforcement.

Professions that are permitted to use violence, - such as law enforcement officers, who have a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence - and those that use it anyway - such as criminal gangs, are some of the places where we will find tattoos plentifully used. Prisons, criminal gangs, Hell's Angel's, are the kind of places where tattoos are plentiful. Sailors used to wear them, when sailing was a rough world, and ships carried larger crews.

It was a world of violence, - controlled and otherwise - of where tattoos represented expressions of masculinity - sometimes vehement expressions of masculinity - that indicated a capacity to withstand pain and declare to the world who you were by the allegiances marked on your body.

Social class - and privilege and power - also makes an appearance, as a signifier where tattoos are concerned. You don't find many (large, visible) tattoos among the better off and the better educated.

Middle class men in Europe who have tattoos, tend to have discreet ones, perhaps, a bout of rebellion on a gap year, or a drunken escapade.

Now, in Europe, law enforcement officers, do not, as a rule, wear tattoos. Some soldiers do, but you will rarely find an officer with a visible tattoo.

As to the topic of the OP, many - if not most who replied - suggested that he not use a quote, but use something visually symbolic instead.

And, I most certainly would not recommend Steve Jobs, who, while a visionary, and an undoubted genius, was a pretty horrible human being.

 

[44267547]

But if he looks like the individual pictured he will have a harder job persuading those around him that he is indeed, the "most caring and gentle man there is".

indeed, if he is the 'most caring and gentle man there is' why, then, go to so much trouble to flag the fact that he is most likely nothing of the sort?



Oh, dear.

I do believe that even though Mr @Relentless Power indicated that he wished to engage in no further conversation - dialogue? but, that requires two people, - discussion? - with me, he feels impelled to return to this topic in order to repeat himself.

Now, disinterring the repeated points in these repetitive posts, I think that he has 'issues' with the use of the verb 'appraise', - above all - it seems- when women are doing the 'appraising'.

Above all, when conducting an appraisal in the context of a risk analysis.




Objectively, tattoos can be viewed in a cultural context.

Subjectively, they give rise to strong reactions, a fact testified to by many (mostly male) who have already posted in this thread.

Now, there are societies - such as the Maori in New Zealand, or indeed, Hawaii, and other such places - where such adornments are often an admired and respected means of identifying with - or being a part of - a warrior culture, - and where tattoos have a different cultural meaning to the western world.

But, and this is a key distinction, we are not from the Maori culture of new Zealand, we are living, working and writing in the west, a core part of the first world.

In our society, someone adorned with highly visible tattoos is thought to be deliberately sending a series of visual messages.

They can be as caring and gentle and as sensitive as they like, but why, then, choose to send a visible message inked on your body that suggests that while this is indeed, perfectly possible, on the balance of probabilities, it is, nevertheless, highly unlikely?

This is because in the western world, those who wear visible tattoos tend to be involved in the criminal world (gangs, prisons, Hell's angels), or in - sometimes - law enforcement. For some , they

Professions that are permitted to use violence, - such as law enforcement officers, who have a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence - and those that use it anyway - such as criminal gangs, are some of the places where we will find tattoos plentifully used. Prisons, criminal gangs, Hell's Angel's, are the kind of places where tattoos are plentiful. Sailors used to wear them, when sailing was a rough world, and ships carried larger crews.

It was a world of violence, - controlled and otherwise - of where tattoos represented expressions of masculinity - sometimes vehement expressions of masculinity - that indicated a capacity to withstand pain and declare to the world who you were by the allegiances marked on your body.

Social class - and privilege and power - also makes an appearance, as a signifier where tattoos are concerned. You don't find many (large, visible) tattoos among the better off and the better educated.

Middle class men in Europe who have tattoos, tend to have discreet ones, perhaps, a bout of rebellion on a gap year, or a drunken escapade.

Now, in Europe, law enforcement officers, do not, as a rule, wear tattoos. Some soldiers do, but you will rarely find an officer with a visible tattoo.

As to the top of the OP, many - if not most who replied - suggested that he not use a quote, but use something visually symbolic instead. And, I most certainly would not recommend Steve Jobs, who, while a visionary, and an undoubted genius, was a pretty horrible human being.

Thats Odd...I never mentioned your user name once in this previous post, only to draw out the person who appears to struggle to argue a losing battle, which you clearly identified your self as this person.

And my key points were reflecting the condensed post of which were contributed by the Moderator. Your theory with Europe holds no grounds for your argument based of an opinion, not your countries regulations.

This why you struggle to understand and it takes others to educate/tutor someone like yourself to at least...alleviate your double standards on Body ink. Your the only person in this thread defending your own carbon copy double standards.

I do understand what your saying, but society does not. I, work in a society where I have contact with people who choose their lifestyle based on their decisions, which reflect in a positive or negative contact, the choice is theirs, no different if they have body ink or not. If you choose to subside with your Pre-measured philosophy, then be prepared to be called out, in which case you appear to be consumed by the protected world of PRSI. I wish you luck Scepticalscribe, your going to need it.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I used to have just one sideburn and a blue beard.
I was working as a hospital porter for a few months and I got asked to remove it by my boss.

Now, I will admit that I would have liked to have seen the blue beard........azure? cobalt? steel blue? - and one sideburn. Creative.
[doublepost=1469822749][/doublepost]

Thats Odd...I never mentioned your user name once in this previous post, only to draw out the person who appears to struggle to argue a losing battle, which you clearly identified your self as this person.

And my key points were reflecting the condensed post of which were contributed by the Moderator. Your theory with Europe holds no grounds for your argument based of an opinion, not your countries regulations.

This why you struggle to understand and it takes others to educate/tutor someone like yourself to at least...alleviate your double standards on Body ink. Your the only person in this thread defending your own carbon copy double standards.

I do understand what your saying, but society does not. I, work in a society where I have contact with people who choose their lifestyle based on their decisions, which reflect in a positive or negative contact, the choice is theirs, no different if they have body ink or not. If you choose to subside with your Pre-measured philosophy, then be prepared to be called out, in which case you appear to be consumed by the protected world of PRSI. I wish you luck Scepticalscribe, your going to need it.

I think we will have to agree to differ on this.

To be honest, I am not even sure what argument you are trying to make, other than that some police in the US who are decent people have tattoos.

Objectively, tattoos are culturally specific, in that different cultures give them a different context.

Subjectively, I personally don't much care for them, and nor do many others who have posted.

However, I come from a country where the police aren't armed, let alone the population.

And, even though the US is a first world country, the cultural context, I am coming to realise, is quite different from that which obtains in Europe, given in your race issues, and absurd second amendment which mean that over 1% of your actual population - can astounding statistic - are behind bars.

 

[impulse462]

Now, I will admit that I would have liked to have seen the blue beard........azure? cobalt? steel blue? - and one sideburn. Creative.

http://www.lolroflmao.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/brilliant-hair-beard.jpg

 

[Scepticalscribe]

http://www.lolroflmao.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/brilliant-hair-beard.jpg

Cool.

 

[Benjamin Frost]

I used to have just one sideburn and a blue beard.
I was working as a hospital porter for a few months and I got asked to remove it by my boss.

Are you a King?

Hope you didn't kill your eight wives.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Are you a King?

Hope you didn't kill your eight wives.

I was an escapologist! The beard was pointy and had to be bleached before I dyed it blue.
Not dissimilar to the blue font in my signature.

Funny thing was thats how I looked when I meet my wife!

 

[Benjamin Frost]

I was an escapologist! The beard was pointy and had to be bleached before I dyed it blue.
Not dissimilar to the blue font in my signature.

Funny thing was thats how I looked when I meet my wife!

Goodo.

I trust she's not the first of eight.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Goodo.

I trust she's not the first of eight.

Been married 18 years next month, so I doubt it!

 

[akash.nu]

But if he looks like the individual pictured he will have a harder job persuading those around him that he is indeed, the "most caring and gentle man there is".

indeed, if he is the 'most caring and gentle man there is' why, then, go to so much trouble to flag the fact that he is most likely nothing of the sort?



Oh, dear.

I do believe that even though Mr @Relentless Power indicated that he wished to engage in no further conversation - dialogue? but, that requires two people, - discussion? - with me, he feels impelled to return to this topic in order to repeat himself.

Now, disinterring the repeated points in these repetitive posts, I think that he has 'issues' with the use of the verb 'appraise', - above all - it seems- when women are doing the 'appraising'.

Above all, when conducting an appraisal in the context of a risk analysis.




Objectively, tattoos can be viewed in a cultural context.

Subjectively, they give rise to strong reactions, a fact testified to by many (mostly male) who have already posted in this thread.

Now, there are societies - such as the Maori in New Zealand, or indeed, Hawaii, and other such places - where such adornments are often an admired and respected means of identifying with - or being a part of - a warrior culture, - and where tattoos have a different cultural meaning to the western world.

But, and this is a key distinction, we are not from the Maori culture of new Zealand, we are living, working and writing in the west, a core part of the first world.

In our society, someone adorned with highly visible tattoos is thought to be deliberately sending a series of visual messages.

They can be as caring and gentle and as sensitive as they like, but why, then, choose to send a visible message inked on your body that suggests that while this is indeed, perfectly possible, on the balance of probabilities, it is, nevertheless, highly unlikely?

This is because in the western world, those who wear visible tattoos tend to be involved in the criminal world (gangs, prisons, Hell's angels), or in - sometimes - law enforcement. For some , they

Professions that are permitted to use violence, - such as law enforcement officers, who have a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence - and those that use it anyway - such as criminal gangs, are some of the places where we will find tattoos plentifully used. Prisons, criminal gangs, Hell's Angel's, are the kind of places where tattoos are plentiful. Sailors used to wear them, when sailing was a rough world, and ships carried larger crews.

It was a world of violence, - controlled and otherwise - of where tattoos represented expressions of masculinity - sometimes vehement expressions of masculinity - that indicated a capacity to withstand pain and declare to the world who you were by the allegiances marked on your body.

Social class - and privilege and power - also makes an appearance, as a signifier where tattoos are concerned. You don't find many (large, visible) tattoos among the better off and the better educated.

Middle class men in Europe who have tattoos, tend to have discreet ones, perhaps, a bout of rebellion on a gap year, or a drunken escapade.

Now, in Europe, law enforcement officers, do not, as a rule, wear tattoos. Some soldiers do, but you will rarely find an officer with a visible tattoo.

As to the top of the OP, many - if not most who replied - suggested that he not use a quote, but use something visually symbolic instead. And, I most certainly would not recommend Steve Jobs, who, while a visionary, and an undoubted genius, was a pretty horrible human being.

What a post... Wow...

 

[kazmac]

As someone who cannot get tattoos, if I could, I would have two phrases tattooed (a favorite lyric that still inspires me 11 years later) and another phrase which hit me yesterday.

I don't find tattoos with famous phrases tacky. If the OP feels Jobs' comments are inspiring and hold deep personal meaning to them, then why not? There's an artistic beauty in type faces and fonts that are as lovely as an image.

If tattoos are socially acceptable where the OP works, no issue there either.

 

[MacDawg]

I would struggle to not be distracted by this tattoo.

I think most people would be distracted by this as well... but is that really the issue?
Wouldn't you agree this is an extreme example, and not at all representative of what the OP was suggesting?
Attempting to make your point by using the most severe example you could find doesn't somehow validate your position
People who get tattoos do so for a variety of personal reasons, and cannot be all lumped into one stereotypical category

Sure, people make judgements... but they do so based on hairstyle and color, clothes, shoes, cologne/perfume (or lack thereof) and a host of other things as well

 

[Three141]

It's not that I'm afraid of people liking it or not, I couldn't care less about that. But Steve was loved by many and hated by others. I mean I don't think it would be like getting a Hitler quote tattooed on me or something, but... I don't know. A good friend of mine has a Carl Sagan quote on her forearm and it's beautiful. I would like to put mine maybe on my upper arm or shoulder blade.

Some of the quotes I'm considering are the usual suspects: "Stay hungry, stay foolish", "The ones who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do", and quite possibly my favorite, "Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice."

Any opinions, questions or stories of your own tattoos or those of people you know are more than welcome; nothing is off limits.

No, but I find tattoos corny in general. however as the boring old cliché goes, it's your body and if you want a SJ quote on it go for it.

 

[Tech198]

I would struggle to not be distracted by this tattoo.

Holy mother of perils !!

 

[LizKat]

I used to have just one sideburn and a blue beard.
I was working as a hospital porter for a few months and I got asked to remove it by my boss.

Back in the 60s, a place where I worked sent a receptionist home once because the straps of her slip could be noticed through a white tunic-style blouse she was wearing. Women have indeed come a long way even if guys still get hassled about beards sometimes.

Are you a King?

Hope you didn't kill your eight wives.

wow, I was just listening to Bartok's take -- an old Berry, Ludwig performance-- on that this morning (since it's not great to think about at night). I only got to Door 3 today though, before deciding to escape.

On tattoos: I agree with some earlier posted wisdom in here about waiting awhile to see if you still want permanent ink. Some companies take exception so considering where to put a tat is a good idea too. But a short phrase in a nice font? Go for it!

 

[Huntn]

But if he looks like the individual pictured he will have a harder job persuading those around him that he is indeed, the "most caring and gentle man there is".

Indeed, if he is the 'most caring and gentle man there is' why, then, go to so much trouble to flag the fact that he is most likely nothing of the sort?



Oh, dear.

I do believe that even though Mr @Relentless Power indicated that he wished to engage in no further conversation - dialogue? but, that requires two people, - discussion? - with me, he feels impelled to return to this topic in order to repeat himself.

Now, disinterring the repeated points in these repetitive posts, I think that he has 'issues' with the use of the verb 'appraise', - above all - it seems- when women are doing the 'appraising'.

And, above all, when conducting an appraisal in the context of a risk analysis.




Objectively, tattoos can be viewed in a cultural context.

Subjectively, they give rise to strong reactions, a fact testified to by many (mostly male) who have already posted in this thread.

Now, there are societies - such as the Maori in New Zealand, or indeed, Hawaii, and other such places - where such adornments are often an admired and respected means of identifying with - or being a part of - a warrior culture, - and where tattoos have a different cultural meaning to the western world.

But, and this is a key distinction, we are not from the Maori culture of new Zealand, we are living, working and writing in the west, a core part of the first world.

In our society, someone adorned with highly visible tattoos is thought to be deliberately sending a series of visual messages.

They can be as caring and gentle and as sensitive as they like, but why, then, choose to send a visible message inked on your body that suggests that while this is indeed, perfectly possible, on the balance of probabilities, it is, nevertheless, highly unlikely?

This is because in the western world, those who wear visible tattoos tend to be involved in the criminal world (gangs, prisons, Hell's angels), or in - sometimes - law enforcement.

Professions that are permitted to use violence, - such as law enforcement officers, who have a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence - and those that use it anyway - such as criminal gangs, are some of the places where we will find tattoos plentifully used. Prisons, criminal gangs, Hell's Angel's, are the kind of places where tattoos are plentiful. Sailors used to wear them, when sailing was a rough world, and ships carried larger crews.

It was a world of violence, - controlled and otherwise - of where tattoos represented expressions of masculinity - sometimes vehement expressions of masculinity - that indicated a capacity to withstand pain and declare to the world who you were by the allegiances marked on your body.

Social class - and privilege and power - also makes an appearance, as a signifier where tattoos are concerned. You don't find many (large, visible) tattoos among the better off and the better educated.

Middle class men in Europe who have tattoos, tend to have discreet ones, perhaps, a bout of rebellion on a gap year, or a drunken escapade.

Now, in Europe, law enforcement officers, do not, as a rule, wear tattoos. Some soldiers do, but you will rarely find an officer with a visible tattoo.

As to the topic of the OP, many - if not most who replied - suggested that he not use a quote, but use something visually symbolic instead.

And, I most certainly would not recommend Steve Jobs, who, while a visionary, and an undoubted genius, was a pretty horrible human being.

I'll reaffirm (although the OP may all ready know) that tattoos that can't be hidden, may negatively impact your career, i.e. prevent being hired, depending on which field you desire to work in. This was true in the airline industry for most/all of the majors. I'm not sure about Hippie Air.

 

[LizKat]

...that tattoos that can't be hidden, may negatively impact your career...

I do know someone who has "U2 FTW" tattooed very small on his arm up around where a regular T shirt sleeve should probably cover it. But he works for a place doesn't allow tattoos so when he shows up at certain company events like volunteer community work days or the company picnic... yep, there's a little bandaid over it, just in case stretching up with a paint roller or reaching for a volleyball might expose it. I dunno. If it doesn't show can you get fired for having it on there anyway? Part of the "medical exam" ???

 

[Huntn]

I do know someone who has "U2 FTW" tattooed very small on his arm up around where a regular T shirt sleeve should probably cover it. But he works for a place doesn't allow tattoos so when he shows up at certain company events like volunteer community work days or the company picnic... yep, there's a little bandaid over it, just in case stretching up with a paint roller or reaching for a volleyball might expose it. I dunno. If it doesn't show can you get fired for having it on there anyway? Part of the "medical exam" ???

I don't know. My impression is that with a no tattoo policy, it is ok, if it can't be seen at work, when representing your company, nor in uniform (if a uniform is worn). On your own time, it should not be a big deal. Same thing with tongue studs.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I don't know. My impression is that with a no tattoo policy, it is ok, if it can't be seen at work, when representing your company, nor in uniform (if a uniform is worn). On your own time, it should not be a big deal. Same thing with tongue studs.

Or other studs, but I can only think of one profession when they might be seen whilst working!

 

[LizKat]

I think most people would be distracted by this as well... but is that really the issue?
Wouldn't you agree this is an extreme example, and not at all representative of what the OP was suggesting?
Attempting to make your point by using the most severe example you could find doesn't somehow validate your position

In a way it's not like extreme examples aren't a reasonable offering in this thread: could be a wakeup call for someone who's thinking to get a more moderate tattoo and doesn't think moderate tattoos are an issue. Where is the line? Someone who loathes tattoos, the dislike starts WAY short of the @Benjamin Frost example. But that was the point, no? To offer a chance to be in someone else's shoes for a second and maybe be appalled?

To shift gears from that, my real concern for the OP here would be whether an employer might not be a fan of Steve Jobs. The guy could even have a tattoo himself, but might think "I would never put some long quote from that idiot Jobs along the length of my forearm." One person's idol is easily another's idiot; consider the sports columns, not to mention the associated comments.
I used to put Apple stickers on my cars until one day someone keyed my ride in a parking lot. The marks on the car body were right under the sticks, which were three small ones I had put along the passenger-side window. I was really surprised anyone's dislike of things Apple could get so... extrapolated?... to the lives of strangers. But there was the evidence. ****! Now I put the sticks on my laptops in different patterns, so I can tell one MBP from another with cases closed.

I can be stubborn but I have to live in the real world with other people whose ideas might clash with mine, so I pick my battles more often as I get older. If I were the OP I'd keep my tattoos discreet.

 

[Roller]

This is one of those threads that I passed over for several days before taking a peek, drawn in part by its fairly rapid lengthening.

I'll admit to being one who would never get a tattoo. However, I've found that what a person says, writes, or does counts far more than how they look. I suspect that I'd be surprised by the appearance of forum members whose opinions I hold in high regard based on their posts. The reverse may hold true as well.

Having said that, I'll also note that interviewers frequently take aspects of appearance over which the applicant has control into account. Tattoos fall into this category, and content and obtrusiveness count. Clearly, the OP has the freedom to do whatever he wishes, but I'd caution him to beware of unintended consequences and recommend discretion.

 

[Benjamin Frost]

Back in the 60s, a place where I worked sent a receptionist home once because the straps of her slip could be noticed through a white tunic-style blouse she was wearing. Women have indeed come a long way even if guys still get hassled about beards sometimes.



wow, I was just listening to Bartok's take -- an old Berry, Ludwig performance-- on that this morning (since it's not great to think about at night). I only got to Door 3 today though, before deciding to escape.

On tattoos: I agree with some earlier posted wisdom in here about waiting awhile to see if you still want permanent ink. Some companies take exception so considering where to put a tat is a good idea too. But a short phrase in a nice font? Go for it!

I love the Bartok; great piece.