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It's only common sense.
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Donald Trump Criticizes Apple for Opposing iPhone 'Backdoor' Order: 'Who Do They Think They Are?'
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It's only common sense.
Not trying to be a smartass but you are making a lot of assumptions for someone who is fairly (self-professed) ignorant on the subject...
[doublepost=1455753412][/doublepost]You do realize you don't have to be a leftie or a socialist to hate Trump....
That's the problem. All these backdoors now are because they were initially allowed for a certain purpose. That's the problem with this idea. Once it's been done, you can't undo it and it will expand exponentially.
Well, it's statistically certain that the next act of terrorism will be perpetrated by a Moslem. As of 2015, there were 3.3mn Moslems in the US and 94mn iPhone users. Since fewer people will have their rights trampled, we should place all 3 million under constant surveillance and leave iPhones alone.
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The law, abstractly, does not and in reality should not accept possibilities as a valid reason for abridgement of rights. Unless you agree with the notion of banning Moslems from the US, as they did to the Japanese with the Immigration Act of 1924 or the internment at Manzanar, don't follow this line of legal vagary.
I don't know why they even mentioned the 5th amendment because it has ZERO to do with any of this. The 5th amendment applies when someone is being accused of a CRIME and they can't be forced by the state to incriminate themselves by testifying against themselves. Apple has committed NO crime here so there's no situation for them to ever plead the 5th.
Then Trump is too stupid to understand the implications of his (and the government's) "specific" request? I'm good with that explanation.
What's with the "leftist media lies and propaganda, as usual" decoration at the end of your post?
It's a fact that once a precedent is set by acceding to a one-time request, the next request of same nature has a comfy place to sit while it awaits attention.
OK, this is a very long thread and I've just got to work. I don't know if any of this has been said before but here goes.
I'm confused, isn't it only a year or two since there were calls to make phones more secure so criminals couldn't get at your data? Wasn't Apple paraded publicly as the champions of privacy when they introduced the lock that meant if a phone is wiped the last iCloud account that the phone was registered to had to be used to get it up and running again? Weren't they applauded for the remote wipe and 10 tries and wipe features? Who in their right mind thinks at this "backdoor" access could, and would, only be used in this case? This is the country that locks people up without trial or proof for years because it thinks they may be a terrorist. I doubt they'd be averse to using this workaround whenever and wherever they wanted. But I guess as long as it's only used mostly on non-US citizens it would probably be ok? That usually seems to be an acceptable compromise in these situations.
And as a side note, why is it when I think of Trump as President I can't help thinking of the old Billy Connolly sketch about his Grandad is younger than Reagan and they don't trust him with the controls of the TV. I can't think of the image of Trump with command of the West's nuclear arsenal and sleep well.
I'm confused, isn't it only a year or two since there were calls to make phones more secure so criminals couldn't get at your data? Wasn't Apple paraded publicly as the champions of privacy when they introduced the lock that meant if a phone is wiped the last iCloud account that the phone was registered to had to be used to get it up and running again? Weren't they applauded for the remote wipe and 10 tries and wipe features? Who in their right mind thinks at this "backdoor" access could, and would, only be used in this case? This is the country that locks people up without trial or proof for years because it thinks they may be a terrorist. I doubt they'd be averse to using this workaround whenever and wherever they wanted. But I guess as long as it's only used mostly on non-US citizens it would probably be ok? That usually seems to be an acceptable compromise in these situations.
And as a side note, why is it when I think of Trump as President I can't help thinking of the old Billy Connolly sketch about his Grandad is younger than Reagan and they don't trust him with the controls of the TV. I can't think of the image of Trump with command of the West's nuclear arsenal and sleep well.
Seriously, if YOU were the terrorist would you do terror business on your work phone or on a disposable phone that you totally destroyed the day you committed the terror?
Sanders identifies himself as a "democratic socialist":
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ie-sanders-socialist-or-democratic-socialist/
What attitude would that be? His "if you don't agree with me and do what I want I'll call you a loser, make fun of you publicly and threaten to sue you" attitude about everything? Yeah, that would be awesome if Putin or Iran didn't give him what he wants when he wants it. Get your guns ready for WWIII, at least you'll have a valid reason to use them then, assuming you actually have the guts to go to real war and not just the fantasy war in your head you think about while you stroke your gun.
Absolutely. As well as text my Moslum buddies with iMessage so I could send emojis.
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You have to remember not everyone has a brain mate.
Well, at least we don't have to worry about your terrorist skills, or lack thereof.
This is a discussion. Everyone (edit: most people) is assuming something. If my assumptions are wrong someone can absolutely tell me how and why, should they choose to do so. Happens daily to others all over these forums. Occasionally I am able to point someone's incorrect assumption in the right direction too. If we don't have discussion and opinions, what do we have? If it's only people with cut and dry right or wrong responses, we don't really have anything to talk about. I think a lot of people are conflicted and many don't have the right answer. I know I don't.
I've learned a lot by engaging in discussion. I also happen to enjoy it. I imagine you are also here because you derive some level of enjoyment from perusing the forum.
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This particular perpetrator was preparing for a terrorist act.
But, this particular act was apparently triggered by an earlier argument with a Jewish man at the location where he committed the crime. The perpetrator left and returned with weapons. The man he argued with was reportedly the first victim.
So, it's not likely the perpetrator took time to cover his digital tracks. But, it was also over two months ago, so it's EXTREMELY unlikely there's any timely information on the phone not already recovered from his iCloud account.
A lot Americans vote way, is all I'm saying. The student who realizes they are going to be $100k in debt before school is out is thinking about that and only that. What ends up happening when we vote like this is all of those other issues that weren't important to us begin the rear their ugly head. But it is what it is. Absolutely vote how you wish. You have yourself to worry about.
I didn't want this to be a discussion about Bernie, or any one candidate. I was just using an example that came to mind. I might have come up with something for Clonton, or Cruz, but sanders was the first good example I could come up with. I could continue discussing about various candidates, but again, in insure this is the place. If I am to blame for going off topic, I do apologize. The thread isn't about Bernie hell, it's not even really about Trump.
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The reality is that this is absolutely rhetoric Apple has spun. Their product is produced in China not because it's cheaper but because they can't find the skilled labor in the US. This is a (paraphrased) statement from Tim Cook in a live interview. I'll look it up if I get a moment.
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Why is the FBI having such difficulties? Call Samsung and ask for a memory chip reader and dump it on to a supercomputer and decrypt it, or copy the memory, try password attempts, copy back on to device and try again, or call Samsung and find the pin out for "write to memory" and cut it, now phone is read only and they can go at it, OS X boots RO. Opening the phone doesn't erase the memory.
But really. The password is probably something stupid like "77 virgins" or "password" or 123456.
But really. The password is probably something stupid like "77 virgins" or "password" or 123456.