Donald Trump Criticizes Apple for Opposing iPhone 'Backdoor' Order: 'Who Do They Think They Are?'

[macs4nw]

Donald Trump is a moron and conservatives are embarrassed by him.

And arrogant at that, yet he has masterfully tapped into the average American's disgust with the status quo and politics as usual, and he has a downright scary amount of support.

I do feel however we direly need a Ronald Reagan-type of leader who'll rise up with calm yet firm resolve and leave no doubt in the minds of the Kim Jong-uns and Putins etc. of the world that there will be a "line in the sand" that will not be crossed. The former a megalomaniac who's engaged in a deadly and frightfully dangerous accumulation of nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them (and let there be no doubt, he will use them if left unchallenged), while Putin is masterfully and flawlessly nibbling away at eastern Europe, all that as a direct consequence of perceived weakness and division in the western world, specifically us.

There are too many other urgent issues to list here that the next white house occupant will inherit, but unfair trade practices is definitely on that list also.

I'm just not sure 'the Donald' is that leader; he's a man who's used to getting his way, and who imho, has waaay too much bluster and who seems prone to emotional outbursts, not exactly respect-exacting or confidence-inspiring qualities.

 

[MacCubed]

Ok, just chiming in now, what if the government forces Apple to implement a backdoor? Will it be hardware based or software based? If it is hardware based, the perpetrators won't buy the newest iPhone, and stick to an older model, where as the software backdoor would require an update. The perpetrators would probably be smarter than that to update, and stay on an older version of iOS. Then the government would ask Apple to force newer software onto devices. And that would piss a lot of people off.... Even with a backdoor implemented, it would affect other users in different countries besides the US, making others vulnerable to hacking. This should be looked into depth at an international level, not just concerning the US, because millions of other people's privacy is at stake here.

 

[lordofthereef]

I don't know why they even mentioned the 5th amendment because it has ZERO to do with any of this. The 5th amendment applies when someone is being accused of a CRIME and they can't be forced by the state to incriminate themselves by testifying against themselves. Apple has committed NO crime here so there's no situation for them to ever plead the 5th.

Right.

 

[thermodynamic]

Remember 2001...

"You are either with us or with the terrorists".

Did that ever officially get rescinded?

Not that I'm aware of.

Trump has a point. A big one.

 

[2IS]

You admit this publicly? Wow.

Trump may be a polarizing figure, but polarizing doesn't eman minority. Have you seen the polls? Ther person you quoted isn't exactly in the minority.

 

[thermodynamic]

I saw his rant. I'm done with him. He's too stupid. Who thinks spending a decade and opening up 300 million users to the government and hackers who have access to this backdoor he is demanding Apple create all so they can catch one terrorist?

Okay, so maybe Apple Corps will step in because it'll do a job no American can.

 

[mikefla]

This buffoon doesn't say anything good, god forbid he becomes President prepare yourselves to live a short life because we will only gain more enemies with his thinking. We'll be wiped out by our new enemies in no time. Stick to your other businesses Trump!

-Mike
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Shut up, Trump. You're too stupid to have an opinion on anything.

I find him a real idiot myself, he may have money that he likely stole from others but he doesn't say anything good. The US more than ever needs more allies not more enemies, a person with no skill and a big mouth like him is only going to gain us more enemies. I'm not really sure who he appeals to but it seems like the racist, KKK, etc fit his thinking well.

-Mike

 

[ptb42]

Why is the FBI having such difficulties? Call Samsung and ask for a memory chip reader and dump it on to a supercomputer and decrypt it, or copy the memory, try password attempts, copy back on to device and try again, or call Samsung and find the pin out for "write to memory" and cut it, now phone is read only and they can go at it, OS X boots RO. Opening the phone doesn't erase the memory.

Before you make another uninformed comment like this, take some time to read about iOS security. There are lots of articles out there that summarize it, or you can go directly to the source and read the iOS Security Guide.

TL;DR: Apple has already considered these kinds of attacks, and created a system that limits decryption of a iPhone's filesystem to that specific iPhone. And, they've further added requirements that make a brute-force attack -- even with the correct iPhone -- very difficult, if you use a complex password.

 

[mikefla]

Ok, just chiming in now, what if the government forces Apple to implement a backdoor? Will it be hardware based or software based? If it is hardware based, the perpetrators won't buy the newest iPhone, and stick to an older model, where as the software backdoor would require an update. The perpetrators would probably be smarter than that to update, and stay on an older version of iOS. Then the government would ask Apple to force newer software onto devices. And that would piss a lot of people off.... Even with a backdoor implemented, it would affect other users in different countries besides the US, making others vulnerable to hacking. This should be looked into depth at an international level, not just concerning the US, because millions of other people's privacy is at stake here.

Nobody is going to force anybody to do anything. They will try to twist Apple's Arm as much as possible and keep on twisting but this is not a third world country where the government can just do or force others to do what they feel like. Although I don't disagree with what's at stake here I also have to side with Apple, I think both sides have a valid argument here this is a tough one.

-Mike

 

[Keirasplace]

Apple knows the memory layout on every chip in the iPhone and exactly how the cpus work. They have the knowledge necessary to break in, not necessarily the tools or software but they could make them if they wanted to.

This whole thing is about setting a precedent in court for the government to be able to request these "one time unlocks" from tech companies rather than bulk collection of information.

They don't have the tools to "break in" when it comes to the 5s, 6 and 6s (the retries are hardware enforced and they can never have access to the keys) and after, the 5c with a lot of effort (I'm guessing a million dollar effort a recoding parts of IOS/firmware), they could facilitate a brute force attack on the keys.

It's the precedent this sets for the future that Apple is fighting. People will want them to make their other phones "crackable too".

The NSA idiots who just spouted the Paris attack would not have happened without an Iphone makes it clear that this is their ultimate objective; such demagoguery makes it clear that this is no "on off", not at all.

 

[mikefla]

Before you make another uninformed comment like this, take some time to read about iOS security. There are lots of articles out there that summarize it, or you can go directly to the source and read the iOS Security Guide.

TL;DR: Apple has already considered these kinds of attacks, and created a system that limits decryption of a iPhone's filesystem to that specific iPhone. And, they've further added requirements that make a brute-force attack -- even with the correct iPhone -- very difficult, if you use a complex password.

The issue here is really software and ultimately that's what the FBI needs help on. Hardware won't do squat no matter how much info they get from other sources.

-Mike

 

[ptb42]

Their product is produced in China not because it's cheaper but because they can't find the skilled labor in the US. This is a (paraphrased) statement from Tim Cook in a live interview. I'll look it up if I get a moment.

Cook could find all the skilled labor in the US he wants, if he was willing to pay the prevailing wage for that skilled labor.

Of course, you might not be able to afford said iPhone.

 

[mikefla]

I wonder what will Tim say if China asks for the same.

Hahah. He will tell them we can't give you that but look at the bright side you suckers already have everything else.

-Mike

 

[zachlegomaniac]

I feel like I should say unbelievable, but it's the furthest thing from it. This man is a CLOWN.

 

[ptb42]

The issue here is really software and ultimately that's what the FBI needs help on. Hardware won't do squat no matter how much info they get from other sources.

Again, please take some time to read about iOS Security before making further uninformed comments.

iOS security is most certainly reliant on device hardware. The largest part of the key is stored in the device, in a way that it cannot be read. It can only be used for encryption/description, by that device.

In addition, even if you had the device and could install a completely custom piece of software, there are additional security measures in hardware that limit brute-force attacks by requiring 80ms for every attempt. That isn't much of an impediment for a 4-digit passcode, but even a 6-character complex password would require up to 5.5 years to break.
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The NSA idiots who just spouted the Paris attack would not have happened without an Iphone makes it clear that this is their ultimate objective; such demagoguery makes it clear that this is no "on off", not at all.

Do you have a cite for that? The NSA is certainly not staffed with idiots, and aside from the political appointees, they don't usually say anything publicly.

Further, earlier statements about the Paris attacks said they used standard SMS, which no one read until it was too late.

 

[bpeeps]

another trump thread, please. can't get enough of them.

Outside of that, I agree. But I said it in an existing thread...

And with a flick of the scroll wheel, he failed to scroll past.

 

[lordofthereef]

Cook could find all the skilled labor in the US he wants, if he was willing to pay the prevailing wage for that skilled labor.

Of course, you might not be able to afford said iPhone.

We are exactly in the same page. If you read the post I responded to you will notice I am saying exactly what you're saying.

 

[Keirasplace]

Donald Trump only replied to opening up the specific iPhone in question, NOT allowing a backdoor into all iPhones. More leftist media lies and propaganda, as usual.

We know perfectly well what turd boy means; no need to tell us which way his wind blows...
You can syncophantly suck in his crap all day long; It's your health after all.
Don't expect me to eat this garbage though...
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Again, please take some time to read about iOS Security before making further uninformed comments.

iOS security is most certainly reliant on device hardware. The largest part of the key is stored in the device, in a way that it cannot be read. It can only be used for encryption/description, by that device.

In addition, even if you had the device and could install a completely custom piece of software, there are additional security measures in hardware that limit brute-force attacks by requiring 80ms for every attempt. That isn't much of an impediment for a 4-digit passcode, but even a 6-character complex password would require up to 5.5 years to break.
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Do you have a cite for that? The NSA is certainly not staffed with idiots, and aside from the political appointees, they don't usually say anything publicly.

Further, earlier statements about the Paris attacks said they used standard SMS, which no one read until it was too late.

It's on Appleinsider, go there. I didn't say it had to make sense or that it is true. I'm saying they won't stop; they'll say anything to make a point.

EDIT, I saw it on ARS TECHNICA, not Apple Insider (though it may be there by now).
And it's not about the Iphone specifically by it attacks all crypto. Considering that Iphone is the biggest proponent of total wall to wall crypto, I think we know what that guy thinks of Apple's position.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-not-have-happened-without-crypto/?comments=1

 

[LizKat]

Seriously, if YOU were the terrorist would you do terror business on your work phone or on a disposable phone that you totally destroyed the day you committed the terror?

Maybe more to the point, wouldn't most of an alleged network around the world be using burners too, and not expensive smartphones The data is months old now, how good could the contact list be... and what a bad joke on the citizens of the USA and their "privacy" if that dead terrorist's workphone turned out to have only the notes, phone numbers and addresses for his job duties, plus maybe some photos of his co-perpetrator dead wife and the little daughter they left behind. Then the FBI gets nada, but the government has a precedent for making the same request immediately the next time an occasion arises. I don't buy the "one-time" premise of the request. At all.

 

[stroked]

I'm not the type to wish bad things on anyone, but Trump, man, I wish the worst for him.

Almost 100 likes on this. There are a lot of vile people on this forum.

 

[LizKat]

And with a flick of the scroll wheel, he failed to scroll past.

Yowza, scroll wheels! Like when the milkman delivered product via horse drawn wagon... I think Trump was alive then.

 

[LizKat]

Almost 100 likes on this. There are a lot of vile people on this forum.

I don't know if I'd say "vile" but wishing the worst for someone else is not far short of it.

 

[PowerMac G4 MDD]

xD So.... can we also get the government to force Apple to create an entirely new OS for PowerPC Macs? In our dreams. In our dreams. Apple are persistent and stubborn; they won't do anything they don't want to do.

 

[developer13245]

A lot Americans vote way, is all I'm saying. The student who realizes they are going to be $100k in debt before school is out is thinking about that and only that. What ends up happening when we vote like this is all of those other issues that weren't important to us begin the rear their ugly head. But it is what it is. Absolutely vote how you wish. You have yourself to worry about.

I didn't want this to be a discussion about Bernie, or any one candidate. I was just using an example that came to mind. I might have come up with something for Clonton, or Cruz, but sanders was the first good example I could come up with. I could continue discussing about various candidates, but again, in insure this is the place. If I am to blame for going off topic, I do apologize. The thread isn't about Bernie hell, it's not even really about Trump.
...

I'm not a student $100k in debt - stop with the comparisons. My main point is that if someone does not understand the basic tenants of a market system, then I'm not voting for them. Trump and surprisingly Sanders (the socialist) are the only ones who seem to understand this.

The cost of high value skills are supposed to rise in a job market - abuse of the H-1B visa buggers this. If anyone disputes this then they shouldn't mind if the government opens the domestic labor market to worldwide participation - let anyone in as long as they have a job offer - then we'll see how YOUR wages (and career) "correct" to that market situation.

I also understand that essentially there IS a world wide labor market, but let companies move abroad if that's what they want to do. Like I've said - I have no problem with Apple building their space ship in India - good riddance. Apple is going down the quality toilet anyway. Might as well they speed their demise.

 

[flat five]

these people are just blatantly acting now.
can't tell if i'm seeing kardashians, survivor, or presidential campaigns