Donald Trump Criticizes Apple for Opposing iPhone 'Backdoor' Order: 'Who Do They Think They Are?'

[JohnGrey]

According to what legal ruling is encryption a 'right'?

Where in the constitution have the citizens been granted the right to unbreakable encryption?

If flows from the precept of security of persons and papers, and specifically the latter. The unreasonable execution of attachment the effects of a person was mitigated by said effects' uniqueness and destructibility; if you were convinced that a LE agency is going to trample your rights by executing an unlawful search and didn't want to risk relying on having a prosecutor that actually cares about admissibility or jury nullifcation, you can destroy your effects to protect your interests and be reasonably certain that no copies exist without your knowledge. Where dealing with digital effects of a person, neither uniqueness or destructability can reasonably be maintained in se, since duplication and transmission of digital data without the owner's knowledge and consent is rudimentary. As such, the use of encryption to ensure the destructibility (through obfuscation and loss) logically follows, even it has not been argued or affirmed so in legal precedent.

 

[malexandria]

Ruh roh...Apple has incurred the wrath of the Donald. The last time Apple did this, they folded like a cheap suit and gave in to his demands:

I have a lot of @Apple stock--- and I miss Steve Jobs. Tim Cook must immediately increase the size of the screen on the iPhone. It should be slightly larger than the Samsung screen- and they better get it right fast because they will lose a lot of business. I like the larger screen.

From 2013:
https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10152775849615725

He's talking out of both sides of his ass in this one sentence.

 

[prowlmedia]

Many here in the USA wonder about the supporters and policies of Angela Merkel. All it proves is that people living in other countries probably shouldn't comment on foreign politics and politicians -- more often than not they end up looking foolish.

Wow. That's a utterly ignorant comment. I can guarantee I know more about US and world politics for that matter than 90% of Americans.

The man is a self agrandising fame hungry idiot of the highest order who doesn't have ANY understanding beyond his small sphere of business who is using fear as his only political weapon.

 

[bladerunner2000]

As much as it hurts me to say this, this has been debunked. First, there is no evidence that Trump ever said this, and second, at the time (1998) Fox News was just starting and not that well known, and nobody, including trump, would have said in 1998 "They love anything on Fox News".

On the other hand, his hair style hasn't improved in 17 years.

No, he did say it. I saw him say it. Just like he saw all those muslims in New Jersey celebrating the destruction of the twin towers on 9/11.

LOL

 

[developer13245]

LOL, maybe because ISIS is in Syria and the Levant, not the USA.
[doublepost=1455747003][/doublepost]
Not if it means hiring hackers who are going to produce crap. Unless you're Microsoft in the 90s-2000s...

Like the hackers comment, and people wonder why iOS 9 is a POS.
Apple should just build their space ship in India.

 

[AdonisSMU]

I would love for Tim Cook to start rattling off Donald Trumps personal information and finances to the public. Lets see how he likes it.

 

[pooleman]

Court order saying "here is a locked box; make a key. By the way, this key must unlock all boxes like this one."

Maybe if they wanted access they shouldnt have shot the only person with the "key"

Can you show me in the court order where it says that?
[doublepost=1455750181][/doublepost]

Haha for someone that says work with the intelligence community you conveniently forgot that Apple can appeal. Hey, maybe you do work for the intelligence community. You are probably part for the cabal that chooses secret over public courts. And speaking of going to jail over breaking laws, shouldn't people in the NSA and CIA be in jail also? They broke laws they should be in jail too. Why should they be treated any differently?

If anyone breaks they law they should be prosecuted, equally. I fully agree with that. There is zero transparency in government today and far too many officials get away with breaking the law. I am not part of any cabal.

 

[langis.elbasunu]

Can you show me in the court order where it says that?

Its not my fault you cant or refuse to grasp basic concepts

 

[pooleman]

Its not my fault you cant or refuse to grasp basic concepts

I grasp them just fine. You referred to a very specific part of the order? Can you show it to me or are you just making things up?

 

[tkatz]

With encryption. There is no such thing as "less strong encryption." Either something is secure or it isn't.

Of course there are different strengths of encryption.

Having encryption does not necessarily make something secure.

If you want, you can encrypt all your data using ROT13. See how secure that is. I'll keep using AES-256.

 

[gnasher729]

The idea that Apple can be compelled to write software for a unique and new iOS essentially for the government to do its own investigation is humorous. It's not like Apple has had a "back door" to the iOS security and the government simply wants to borrow the key. They are ordering a business to create/author original software to compromise that business's own security system. A security feature that brings Apple consumers because there is an expectation of security and privacy sold with the product. To tell Apple they have to undermine a component of their own business model, to modify software that has been legally sold in compliance with federal requirements, is not reasonable. And I don't think the government's position will prevail in court.

Imagine you are a locksmith. Trust of your customers is essential in that business. Your customers don't want you to put locks in their doors and sell copies of the keys to some burglar. So you tell your customers "I couldn't possibly do that. We have this special machine that create a unique set of keys and matching looks at your home, once we've installed it every information about the keys is destroyed, so we couldn't possibly open your doors. "

Now the FBI comes and tells you that you have to keep a copy of every key for every look that you installed in any customer's door. Well, that's good for business. But why should the FBI have _any_ rights to tell you how to run your business?
[doublepost=1455750685][/doublepost]

That's not true. The order was for Apple to create a version of iOS that disable certain security measures (including 10 try limit before erased), install it on the phone, and then hand it over to the FBI. Presumably, they would then get the NSA to brute force the encryption. So, yes, the government would have keys to the encrypted kingdom, as it were.

No, they would give an intern the task of typing in all 10,000 keys (if they used four digit passcode). A supercomputer doesn't help. The only way to unlock the phone is to guess the right passcode.

 

[sim667]

I think we need a trump thread to discuss this trump thread

 

[langis.elbasunu]

Imagine you are a locksmith. Trust of your customers is essential in that business. Your customers don't want you to put locks in their doors and sell copies of the keys to some burglar. So you tell your customers "I couldn't possibly do that. We have this special machine that create a unique set of keys and matching looks at your home, once we've installed it every information about the keys is destroyed, so we couldn't possibly open your doors. "

Now the FBI comes and tells you that you have to keep a copy of every key for every look that you installed in any customer's door. Well, that's good for business. But why should the FBI have _any_ rights to tell you how to run your business?
[doublepost=1455750685][/doublepost]
No, they would give an intern the task of typing in all 10,000 keys (if they used four digit passcode). A supercomputer doesn't help. The only way to unlock the phone is to guess the right passcode.

Except the phone is set to delete after 10 failed attempts

 

[Renzatic]

I think we need a trump thread to discuss this trump thread

If we do that, then we'll need to start another Trump thread to discuss the things going on in that Trump thread.

...and then the communists will win.

 

[gavinstubbs09]

To be honest, I think this is one time Apple needs to make an exception. What if... the terrorists used the iPhone to contact other terrorists in the States, this could possibly prevent another massacre (or at least cross our fingers and hope so).

 

[macbookguy]

The man is a self agrandising fame hungry idiot of the highest order who doesn't have ANY understanding beyond his small sphere of business who is using fear as his only political weapon.

As an American, I verify this statement to be true.

 

[Mcmeowmers]

tbh it's not clear to me apple even CAN open the thing. how do you update a locked phone to apply any modification, even something simple like repressing the stored count of how many tries have been made to bust the passcode. Never mind a whole revised iOS w/ a backdoor on it.

Apple knows the memory layout on every chip in the iPhone and exactly how the cpus work. They have the knowledge necessary to break in, not necessarily the tools or software but they could make them if they wanted to.

This whole thing is about setting a precedent in court for the government to be able to request these "one time unlocks" from tech companies rather than bulk collection of information.

 

[inscrewtable]

Why can't the US govt simply make it law that terrorists have to use iOS 7 or earlier, problem solved.

 

[Renzatic]

Why can't the US govt simply make it law that terrorists have to use iOS 7 or earlier, problem solved.

Because preventing people from updating to the latest and greatest stuff on their phone could be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

It's a slippery slope. Right now we're preventing the terrorists from using anything above iOS7. Tomorrow, the government could use these same laws to force us all to use Windows XP.

 

[nt5672]

Until this I had not started to eliminate candidates, but in spite of the good I think The Donald's attitude would be for our government, I cannot go along with the opinion that personal privacy does not matter. The government can catch terrorists without making all of our phones open to governments and hackers worldwide.

 

[ptb42]

No, they would give an intern the task of typing in all 10,000 keys (if they used four digit passcode). A supercomputer doesn't help. The only way to unlock the phone is to guess the right passcode.

Without reading the specific order, I don't know what the judge actually asked for.

But, if they can install a new custom version of iOS on the device without corrupting anything else, it would be able to brute-force a 4-digit passcode in less than 30 minutes, even with the hardware security measures Apple built into the Secure Enclave.

However: with a 6-character passcode made up of simply lowercase letters and digits, it would take up to 5.5 years to crack the passcode.
[doublepost=1455752479][/doublepost]

To be honest, I think this is one time Apple needs to make an exception. What if... the terrorists used the iPhone to contact other terrorists in the States, this could possibly prevent another massacre (or at least cross our fingers and hope so).

This crime was committed over two months ago.

It is EXTREMELY unlikely that the phone could yield any timely information, beyond what has already been recovered from the perpetrator's iCloud account.

 

[ucfgrad93]

If we do that, then we'll need to start another Trump thread to discuss the things going on in that Trump thread.

...and then the communists will win.

But it will be yuuuuge!

 

[SimonTheSoundMa]

Yea lets elect a socialist. What the hell is wrong with the people in this country?

I haven't seen or heard a single socialist put themselves forward at the moment within the major parties? Sanders is a social democrat, which is a huge difference to a socialist.

 

[diegogaja]

I would tend to agree with you. While the phone unlocked would give them a complete picture, they could build the same picture, piece by piece, based on other information (call records from the phone company) his and her networks (social media), etc. will the have the texts? No. But they would have the metadata and could search others who were in contact. More work involved but the majority of it would be done by now

However...I feel like this siaitauon is an excuse to test the law in terms of forcing a company to expose or change their security practices for no other reason but as a bellwether.

Man, I feel, though perhaps erroneous, that of the FBI cannot get information by other means, that they are bad detectives. I also believe, perhaps also erroneously, that the FBI already has all the ability to crack any smartphone, and therefore already has all the information.

 

[Mac32]

Donald Trump only replied to opening up the specific iPhone in question, NOT allowing a backdoor into all iPhones. More leftist media lies and propaganda, as usual.