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It seems you guys don’t understand that this is a product that millions of filmmakers and content creators around the world have wanted for the last 6 years. This thing’s going to sell like crazy.
sell like hot cakes!; we are back to the (3) units out the door.
 
As a libertarian, I agree.

I suppose I didn't make it clear in my previous post that what's unique with President Trump seems to be that he's making an argument for working-class jobs (whether or not its a valid argument is debatable). The dems seemed to be content with inflating government power for purposes of redistribution with robinhood-like taxes/policies, but they hardly-ever used the levers of power to incentivize private-sector working-class jobs (at least i dont remember that argument being made publicly anyway).

The issue I have with that is he is playing to the desires of many workers to have better, traditional blue collar jobs when that isn't going to happen. US manufacturing is more and more high tech with global supply lines. New factories will have a few technicians overseeing a largely automated line rather than hundreds of workers building things. Even currently labor intensive US manufacturing, such as carpeting, is going that route; and the disruption ion communities that rely on those jobs will be as great as it was for car towns.

It's the hypocrisy of it all that bothers me, especially since you're playing with people's lives and hopes.
 
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What’s really hilarious about this hole topic is people still don’t realize the spelling mistakes are intentional. People who don’t even like Trump will spread the fundamental message while being spelling/grammar n@zis which everyone hates. It’s brilliant on his part... the only bad press is no press. Scott Adams has discussed this many times.
Uh-huh. Intentional.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: I cannot except accept that excuse.;)
I trust one of the greatest writer America has ever produced. He says otherwise. Trump is an idiot or iDJiT as we say in the South.
 
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As much as I dislike Trump, lets take the political parties out of this.

American Companies should worry about the American people. Outsourcing is not them acting in good conscious of this country, so yes these companies should be penalized.
That's not how the economy works anymore, espically in global markets. Take Walmart. one of the richest companies in the world, and most of the stuff is made in china so that the American people can buy it "cheaply". But we as tax payers are also paying for the welfare of its employees, since WM makes sure to pay it's employees so little that they can go on welfare, while getting more tax right offs. It's a bit like people thinking illegal's are taking American jobs, when those jobs are things American's want nothing to do with.
 
Give a few labor regulation reforms so we can have truly competitive factories here in the states. There are thousands upon thousands of folks who would gladly work in these factories. Post-recent reforms, which virtually eliminated problems of suicide, etc in China, factory conditions are now reasonable. The ideal scenario would be a factory town, run entirely by FoxConn (or whoever), and as part of your pay you'd receive a place to live and various amenities. Keeping all that overhead in-house and allowing that to offset direct payroll reduces cost significantly. Ultimately automation will remove the need for all this, at which point I think factories will naturally being to migrate back into the states....but if we want to actually be competitive (make things as cheap or even cheaper) here in the states using actual human overhead, then we either need reforms or nothing will change.
 
Why would Tim Apple even think they would be granted a tariff waiver?

Because their stock is part of almost any 401(k) in this country and making them less profitable and competitive negatively affects tens of millions of retirement plans, pensions, and stock portfolios.
 
Ironically the tariffs are passed down to the consumer and still would result in a product costing less then if it is made here
Even if they moved production to a US contractor, Apple (and the end user) would still have to pay the same extra cost because the US firm will just raise their prices to match the cost of Chinese production plus tariffs. The US contractor isn’t going to leave money on the table. Plus if Apple wants to sell the Mac Pro outside the US it will still be more profitable to keep production in China and pay the US tariffs. It would just mean that Americans will pay more for the exact same product than other people around the world.
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Why does the Apple-hate crowd think making fun of Trump’s mistake is some kind of burn on Tim Cook?

It always reminds me that he lied at first by saying that he actually said “Tim Cook Apple” really fast, but that the “Cook” part of the sentence was soft.
How do you know it was a mistake? He could have done it intentionally just to belittle Cook.
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If Apple designed it, why didn’t they get it manufactured in the USA?
Because they’re not in the business of giving away money?
 
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Give a few labor regulation reforms so we can have truly competitive factories here in the states. There are thousands upon thousands of folks who would gladly work in these factories. Post-recent reforms, which virtually eliminated problems of suicide, etc in China, factory conditions are now reasonable. The ideal scenario would be a factory town, run entirely by FoxConn, and as part of your pay you'd receive a place to live and various amenities. Keeping all that overhead in-house and allowing that to offset direct payroll reduces cost significantly. Ultimately automation will remove the need for all this, at which point I think factories will naturally being to migrate back into the states....but if we want to actually be competitive (make things as cheap or even cheaper) here in the states using actual human overhead, then we either need reforms or nothing will change.

You mean loosen safety standards. Don't call it "labor regulation reforms." You mean make it harder to get workman's comp, allow more pollution, etc. Also, the idea that large numbers of Americans would move to a town wholly sustained with dorm-style housing like Foxconn is absurd. People won't even relocate out of towns where things like coal mines have been dead for 20 years. The people working there in China are coming from rural areas and this is their chance to change their lives, so they are more than willing to cross the country.
 
You hardliners need to wake up. There is a world out there beyond America.

Production is global. Be proud that Apple and Tim Apple are an inspiration to many of us. Apple actually represents the best of America.
 
Then build it. I will be happy to pay the premium. I already do for using apple products in the first place.
Why rely on the government? Just take your own money and invest it into a company that only uses American resources.
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You mean loosen safety standards. Don't call it "labor regulation reforms." You mean make it harder to get workman's comp, allow more pollution, etc. Also, the idea that large numbers of Americans would move to a town wholly sustained with dorm-style housing like Foxconn is absurd. People won't even relocate out of towns where things like coal mines have been dead for 20 years. The people working there in China are coming from rural areas and this is their chance to change their lives, so they are more than willing to cross the country.
One of the biggest factors in how successful a person will be in life is their willingness to move to where the best opportunities are.
 
Evan as a staunch Trump critic, even I don’t see anything wrong with that policy. This is the law and it should apply to all companies equally.

As for the spirit of the law, well that another question...
 
Trump is a dangerous moron, but he's doing the right thing (most likely by accident) here.
 
Have you seen “IT”?

By the way, this is showing you how you bring jobs back to the USA. It’s not a magic wand, it’s common sense.

except it's not bringing back jobs to the US. it's just currently raising prices for people in the US who are now paying an additional tax.

Tarifs are considered one fo the worst levers in international trade and are mostly reserved as punitive against foreign nations. All Tarif's end up doing is raising your prices on goodds that cannot easily have their manufacture moved

In regards to computers, a lot of the manufacture, especially of raw resources don't occur in the US because those resources don't exist in the US. No amount of Tariffs can suddenly shift the earth's materials.

as for large scale manufacturing, this is gone overseas because fo the cost of labour. Corporations are always going to min/max where they can get away with. Tarrifs aren't going to fundamentally affect that as corporations will pass those costs along to us, in the end result, it's us who pay more.

if you truly want the US to be competitive in manufacturing industries, you need to first, Invest in those industries locally so that manufacturing itself CAN be done. No point with the mindless rhetoric if the infrastructure required doesn't exist. Secondly, it's so damn cheap to bild overseas because the labour costs are pushed artificially low by governments and agencies who do not put employee rights near the same level we do. If you want our rates to be competitive so that using labour here seems reasonable, you need to demand that our trade partners honour the same human and employee rights that we have, or find other places to trade with.

Simply put, the world is about global trade with no one nation capable of producing the entirety of it's needs/wants and closing doors and playing tinpot dictator and attacking allies with trade tariffs is sheer madness.
 
I've always found the "Pro-America" attitude unsettling because it's rooted in a belief that they are "better" than everyone else. I'm hugely Pro-Canadian, but it doesn't come from thinking that we're better. It's only to support our local economy. Am I wrong about that US attitude? Trump seems to suffer from it greatly.

Probably a risky post...
 
I thought the Republican Party bottomed out when McCain selected Sarah Palin as his running mate. Oops....

I wanted to vote for McCain for President for a long time but once he put Palin on the ticket there was no way I could vote for him. He actually wanted to put Democrat Joe Lieberman on the ticket but Lindsey Graham screwed that up.
 
As much as I dislike Trump, lets take the political parties out of this.

American Companies should worry about the American people. Outsourcing is not them acting in good conscious of this country, so yes these companies should be penalized.

There is a reason we don't keep it here - its cheaper and less poluting, No one wants Beijing Skies, where you have to consult an air chart every day to see if you need a mask.

And it's hard to seperste Trump from this issue, concerning the hypocrisy of him making his own junk in China.
 
Trump is a dangerous moron, but he's doing the right thing (most likely by accident) here.

it Happens from time to time. His killing of TPP was ... for unsound reasons, but the end result of TPP being killed in the form it had been was excellent move. Even if Trump didn't understand why.
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I've always found the "Pro-America" attitude unsettling because it's rooted in a belief that they are "better" than everyone else. I'm hugely Pro-Canadian, but it doesn't come from thinking that we're better. It's only to support our local economy. Am I wrong about that US attitude? Trump seems to suffer from it greatly.

Probably a risky post...

But we are better :p (/s) Just our Canadian inferiority complex eh?
 
Actually, it does, the trash can Mac Pro was made in the USA. They can create the infrastructure and they could look great doing it. They should had marketed the hell out of the trash can being made in USA.

Made? No, assembled. If I design a clock in the US and have every part of it produced in Asia and then bring those parts back to slot into the case I built here, it isn't made here. Similarly, the Mac Pro was made all over the world and the factory here took those parts, machined a case, and assembled them for sale.

As much as I dislike Trump, lets take the political parties out of this.

American Companies should worry about the American people. Outsourcing is not them acting in good conscious of this country, so yes these companies should be penalized.

First, define "american companies." Second, since when does a company have a responsibility to anyone but its shareholders? Why should they worry about what you define as "acting in good conscious" when everything about capitalism tells them that the only thing that matters is making the shareholders money?
 
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