that's odd! I can read the small text on Apple.com on the 4G and on the 2G, it's a jumbled mess. (without zooming) Safari renders beautifully on the 4G
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iPod touch Don't expect to be blown away by the quality of the retina display on the iPod 4.
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that's odd! I can read the small text on Apple.com on the 4G and on the 2G, it's a jumbled mess. (without zooming) Safari renders beautifully on the 4G
If the view looks fine for the guy and he is happy, then so be it...stop pushing your agenda on others....or more simply get a life...
agreed! "goodboy" is being far too condescending with such remarks. I find the straight-on view of the two products to be essentially identical. At an angle, the ipod takes on a color shift. so what. who needs to view the touch at extreme angles? some people are unhappy perfectionists and will bitch if hung with a worn rope.
Ok, I've had enough already!
I've been sitting here reading these comments from people like GoodBoy who don't even own the new iPod touch and talk like they are experts. I am typing this on my brand new iPod touch. My brother just handed me his iphone4 and holding them side by side and studying their displays and looking at them straight on while viewing several websites, I can honestly say that they look absolutely positively identical. Do you understand?? IDENTICAL!!
Who gives a crap about how the display looks like from an angle? Why would you be looking at the display like that? IPS this IPS that. Who gives a CRAP about stupid IPS?
I've been sitting here reading these comments from people like GoodBoy who don't even own the new iPod touch and talk like they are experts. I am typing this on my brand new iPod touch. My brother just handed me his iphone4 and holding them side by side and studying their displays and looking at them straight on while viewing several websites, I can honestly say that they look absolutely positively identical. Do you understand?? IDENTICAL!!
Who gives a crap about how the display looks like from an angle? Why would you be looking at the display like that? IPS this IPS that. Who gives a CRAP about stupid IPS?
(1) people who compare products based on spec alone, even if there's no practical or significant difference
(2) people who think Apple owes them something
Neither group really merits action on Apple's part, from what I can see.
Text is sharp but images look about the same. My comment was only regarding the images in Safari, which don't look sharper than the 2G.
I compared a new iPod touch screen today to my iphone 4 with same brightness, same pages, etc. and the ipod touch definitely looks more washed out.
It may have something to do with the tone of the screen. The iphone is definitely a yellower tone and the ipod touch is a bluer one.
It may have something to do with the tone of the screen. The iphone is definitely a yellower tone and the ipod touch is a bluer one.
I agree. The screen is a nice improvement. Reader Apps that have updated to support Retina Display really show what the new screen is about.
GoodBoy responded because someone else claimed those that are saying they aren't the same. Seems like you are falling right in line with bashing and claiming specs are identical just because you can't tell. If you can't tell that's one thing and that's great for you. If you're going to sit here and say the fact that you can't quite tell the difference between IPS and not then I hope you're not all that excited about the "retina" screen when a screen the density of the Droid would have been PLENTY of pixels as it is. Hardly anyone can even tell the difference in density (not between the old iTouch or iPhones, those screens look like crap compared).
Or... People that care about black levels (like those who watch movies on their device) and people who like to watch with others or show people videos so they don't have to get all cuddly standing ear to ear (also often people who watch movies).
Even Engadget (VERY Apple friendly) said this about the screen:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/07/ipod-touch-review-2010/
Issues like these make me hesitant. And I say issues because they are issues for me since I would be using it for movies and games almost exclusively. Which I don't know what else you'd use it for... audio quality on these is mediocre at best.
Aaaaaand this thread will be closed. 
Basically the point is that if everyone just comes here saying "it's the same thing!" or "there's no difference between the iPod Touch and iPhone 4 screen" I would not have noticed until I had already pre-ordered one. It's a good thing that I didn't because now I'm hesitant.
I'd have to see it first hand but I'm damn glad I didn't pre-order.
Basically the point is that if everyone just comes here saying "it's the same thing!" or "there's no difference between the iPod Touch and iPhone 4 screen" I would not have noticed until I had already pre-ordered one. It's a good thing that I didn't because now I'm hesitant.
I'd have to see it first hand but I'm damn glad I didn't pre-order.
I would have thought that if you are such a movie aficionado that the discrepancy in black levels is significant to you, then the iPod Touch wouldn't even be in your consideration as something to watch movies on. I guess I stand corrected. The same goes for watching movies in a group: if doing so was important to me, I wouldn't bother with an iPhone, iPod Touch, or any other handheld device, no matter how good (even hypothetically) the screen was.
ever read a book via the Kindle app, while lying in bed? same holds true for watching a movie on that little screen. it's cool to do such things on a small screen, at times. netflix wasn't stupid to provide an iphone/touch app for us netflix subscribers. don't sell the touch short, just because the screen is small. if you have good close-up vision (with/without reading glasses), the detail on the 4G screen with good content, is amazing.
Here I will finally prove iPhone4 screen VS iPod touch 4gen screen are not different only in terms of viewing angles. I hope that will finally shut some desperate apple fanboys mouths. iPhone4 on the left, iPod touch 4 on the right - both presented at same brightness level setting and on-center, so no bs about viewing angles here! Let's start...
1) First, let me show you differences between color accuracy, contrast, color vividness, and clarity of screen between IPS and TN panels
- look at the "photos" and "weather" icons. See how much more vivid they are on iPhone4? The blue is bluer and the yellow is yellower.
- now look at the "notes" icon - vivid yellow on the iPhone, washed-out yellow on the iPod touch4!
- compare "safari" and "mail" icons. An obvious difference in contrast and clarity.
- look at "utilities" icon. Black on the iPhone, blue-tinted black on iPod touch.
2) Difference in colors hue
- definetely more accurate and true to life red color on the iPhone4!
- on the iPod touch, red is more like a pink...
3) Contrast, clarity, colors differences
- see how clear and crisp iPhone's display is?
- somewhat washed-out and blurred iPod's screen, lack of contrast and crispness
- again, look at the "HOT" section - pure oranges on the iPhone4, washed-out oranges on the iPod touch4!
- compare areas with big black sections - "apple of the week", "staff favourites". See the difference in black quality?
- iPod's screen looks like is having a huge blue tint, as stated by some reviewers
4) Black level
- see the black level? this is incredible difference. Definetly more accurate blacks on the iPhone's screen, while washed-out and bluish blacks on the iPod's display.
Wrapping things up, the IPS screen has not only better viewing angles, but also is much more superior to TN in terms of colors quality (accurracy, vividness), black levels, and contrast. I hope, after this post some people stop bs the differences are only about the angles. Now, is anyone gonna try to say again the differences in the quality between IPS and TN are minor?
1) First, let me show you differences between color accuracy, contrast, color vividness, and clarity of screen between IPS and TN panels
- look at the "photos" and "weather" icons. See how much more vivid they are on iPhone4? The blue is bluer and the yellow is yellower.
- now look at the "notes" icon - vivid yellow on the iPhone, washed-out yellow on the iPod touch4!
- compare "safari" and "mail" icons. An obvious difference in contrast and clarity.
- look at "utilities" icon. Black on the iPhone, blue-tinted black on iPod touch.
2) Difference in colors hue
- definetely more accurate and true to life red color on the iPhone4!
- on the iPod touch, red is more like a pink...
3) Contrast, clarity, colors differences
- see how clear and crisp iPhone's display is?
- somewhat washed-out and blurred iPod's screen, lack of contrast and crispness
- again, look at the "HOT" section - pure oranges on the iPhone4, washed-out oranges on the iPod touch4!
- compare areas with big black sections - "apple of the week", "staff favourites". See the difference in black quality?
- iPod's screen looks like is having a huge blue tint, as stated by some reviewers
4) Black level
- see the black level? this is incredible difference. Definetly more accurate blacks on the iPhone's screen, while washed-out and bluish blacks on the iPod's display.
Wrapping things up, the IPS screen has not only better viewing angles, but also is much more superior to TN in terms of colors quality (accurracy, vividness), black levels, and contrast. I hope, after this post some people stop bs the differences are only about the angles. Now, is anyone gonna try to say again the differences in the quality between IPS and TN are minor?
Oh, I know the screen is good for watching movies on, but it simply doesn't bother me if things such as black levels aren't optimal. I am surprised it bothers others, particularly that it would bother others to the point they would reconsider buying the device. That's all.
What did you use for lighting? What did you use to take the pictures (settings, etc).
It doesn't surprise me that a side-by-side comparison shows differences. You think these differences are a huge deal; I think they are insignificant, and would be amazed if they dissuaded anyone from buying the iPod. Be as disappointed in them as you want, if it gets you anywhere.
Oh, but one point:
Really? What colour are those bars in real life?
We'd have to know if we wanted to tell how accurate and true to life the displays are.Minor enough to not affect many people's experience of the device nor to change their mind about buying one (unless they read this thread and feel their device is now so woefully inadequate). If it's not good enough for some people, that's fine, it's up to them to decide what to do with their money. I'm not sure what else there is to say.
Gee, GoodBoy, do you think you might want to post pictures not riddled with heavy JPEG compression artifacts at a resolution HIGHER than the iPod touch's screen to even purport to draw second-hand conclusions about clarity of the displays? Brightness levels? Hello?
iPod, iPhone: 960x640
Your photos: 1,029px × 590px, 517px × 292px, 558px × 297px, 526px × 293px
Seriously dude, they're released. Go look at one. I recommend everyone who is actually concerned about this to go to an actual store and look at the display in person and not rely on amateur photography of the displays.
P.S. My screen is gorgeous and there is no color shift or blurriness in any way, shape or form at any reasonably on-axis view. I have only noticed black contrast being lesser in poorly taken photographs I put on it (e.g. very dark blues and grays on black).
ETA: By the way, even the color shift only occurs pretty narrowly around the "home button angle." From the top, left, or right? Nope.
iPod, iPhone: 960x640
Your photos: 1,029px × 590px, 517px × 292px, 558px × 297px, 526px × 293px
Seriously dude, they're released. Go look at one. I recommend everyone who is actually concerned about this to go to an actual store and look at the display in person and not rely on amateur photography of the displays.
P.S. My screen is gorgeous and there is no color shift or blurriness in any way, shape or form at any reasonably on-axis view. I have only noticed black contrast being lesser in poorly taken photographs I put on it (e.g. very dark blues and grays on black).
ETA: By the way, even the color shift only occurs pretty narrowly around the "home button angle." From the top, left, or right? Nope.
Too much useless bickering going back and forth. Just go to the Apple store and check it out. However, I would suggest not holding it next to an iPhone 4 and making a judgment based on that comparison. When you're going to use the device, it will generally be by itself. If you can't pick up the "flaws" on that basis, then how good the display is on the $600 iPhone hardly matters.
For me the iPod touch 4 display is great, primarily for the ultra clear text. Images are very sharp as well. Subtle color differences and so forth don't matter to me. I mean the screen is only ~4". I think in general your eyes and your brain will compensate for such things. Just try the things you want to do on the device and see if it's acceptable.
Oh please stop assumpting there would be no screen differences on better PQ shots. TN panel is worse than IPS, deal with it.
I recommned this either. It's always best to see it in person, doing a little test before buying.
I'm not saying iPod touch4 screen is crap in general. It's crap compared to IPS, but sure thing it's one of the better ones in TN types of panel. It's just not in the same league as iPhone's, that's all. For you ipod's display can be gorgeus, for some other people just fine, for others crap, others don't care at all - and that's ok. It's not ok, though, when some people (most of them being apple fanboys, ready to kill you whenever you say anything bad about any apple product) are desperetely trying to prove there's absolutely no differences or difference only in viewing angles between IPS and TN technologies, because they're simply lieng or their knowledge about LCD technology is very limited.
To me the new iPod's display is ok, but a bit of dissapointment for not being IPS. The quality of touch4 screen (colors, contrast, black level, etc) remains unchanged compared to previous iPod touch generartion, it's just got higher resolution this year.
Yes, people are very good at making comparative or relative judgments. Like you said, though, if they're using the iPod Touch on its own, are they going to say 'bleagh, this screen is terrible, I can't see @#$%"? An interesting (and improbable) test would be for users to have their iPhone/iPod screens randomly swapped and see whether they notice and how much they care.
I can't help but think that when SJ said 'an iPhone without the phone' or 'same Retina Display' or whatever, people misinterpreted what this meant (hint: Retina Display doesn't refer to the physical screen in the device any more than V8 refers to a specific engine).
Sigh. Strawman, on fiiiiiire! I never said you wouldn't notice any relative difference if you sit and study the displays side by side. In fact, I posted exactly what relative differences I did notice in my post:
Me said:
I just said your comparisons:
were false, overexaggerated, and/or exhibited only by lousy photography. Especially the clarity issue. You are speaking 100% out of your posterior on that one. They are both 960x640 and look identical in that regard, even next to each other. End of story.
Also, screen brightness matters. Since you're just posting someone else's recompressed photos (which makes the iPhone screen look pretty ****** too, by the way), you wouldn't know what the settings even were.
Should be a prerequisite for commenting on screens period, but I digress.
I think people can make their own conclusions about your own display expertise.
There's always a reason for comaparisons, and that reason is the need for improvement, because people demand better and better products each year. Of course, when someone got only an iPod touch4 he/she would most likely be happy for it's screen. This logic is risky though, because thay way there would be no reason for screen improvement since the iPod touch 1st gen (and the ones who owned it - including me, know the best it's screen was a real s**t).
I call it a lie, others call it not telling the whole truth. Jobs is famous for it. At each keynote he raises people's hype, by telling stories about the crazy super duper new features. After the keynote ends, and the products finally starting to ship, new facts suddenly appears about them, most of them creating a bit of dissapointment, that what Jobs promised wasn't exactly 100% as it turned out to be.
That's a lie or a false assumption at best... If my arguments aren't right then point each and every one of them and we'll talk about it, see who's right. I don't need HD shots to see differene in color vividness or black level or even contrast. Not to mention each of us have differently calibrated monitor. It doesn't change the fact the differences are very clear and easy to see, even on SDquality photos.
Sure! Why don't you do a thread comparing the current iPod Touch screen with the previous one.
The things Jobs said were quite open to interpretation, and to me it seemed that they were ways of giving a general idea about what the device was. To take them as promises about particular spec is quite silly. To be let down when the reality doesn't match one's over-interpretation of those comments is also silly.
C'mon folks. Everyone knows that Jobs' forte is his world-renowned reality distortion field. He can't POSSIBLY refrain from embellishing his product's features, each and every time he gets up on stage. I'd think anyone over the age of 12 would know that. I never would buy an apple product until I verified precisely what I was getting for my money. I also wait to see what the early adopters have to say about a newly released product, so that I can avoid any major issues. Anyone remember the issues with the nano screens that scratched if you looked at them wrong? the shuffle that couldn't tolerate sweat? the list is long. I pick what to buy from Apple with a VERY WARY EYE for problems. So far the biggest issue that I got caught by that was long lasting, was the 2G touch OS that caused most of us to have to hit "wifi ON", "wifi OFF", and "wifi ON" again to get it to connect. Pretty bush league OS development on Apple's part, IMO.
I would, if I wanted to. This thread speaks for itself - "Don't expect to be blown away by the quality of the retina display on the iPod 4." and that's exactly what it is. An ok screen, no failures, no negative blacks, but nothing special either, exept for higher resolution. I bet Apple's gonna put an IPS display in the touch 5gen, and then most of you guys gonna say "wow, what a difference to previous gen!". But we have to wait to see that, an I'm sure I will be smiling
I would, if I wanted to. This thread speaks for itself - "Don't expect to be blown away by the quality of the retina display on the iPod 4." and that's exactly what it is. An ok screen, no failures, no negative blacks, but nothing special either, exept for higher resolution. I bet Apple's gonna put an IPS display in the touch 5gen, and then most of you guys gonna say "wow, what a difference to previous gen!". But we have to wait to see that, an I'm sure I will be smiling
Wait until the Touch 2020, it projects everything into YOUR MIND.
And if you think the 1-3G and 4G screens differ only in resolution, well, you go right on believing that.
The proper title for this thread should be "Discontented individual armchairs judgments about a display without ever seeing it. Don't be like this person."
Oh, and it's too late. Mind already blown! Curses!