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Hummer said:
I'm not giving into him because he's an adult. All I did was suggest something and I get yelled at and grounded. I'm tired of the whole kids should just listen, shut up and accept whatever they get. If I am treated unfairly I'm fighting back.
Except he clothes you, feeds you... and maybe I missed it, but did you pay for the iBook yourself? What about your car? You want to be treated fairly, as an adult? Act like one. If you're not prepared to do that, have yourself declared an emancipated minor (if my assumption that you're a minor is wrong, sorry). If you're in college, who is paying for that?

Sorry, but until you're out on your own, living under your own roof, driving your own car, buying and cooking your own food... his house, his rules.
 
Hummer said:
I'm not giving into him because he's an adult. All I did was suggest something and I get yelled at and grounded. I'm tired of the whole kids should just listen, shut up and accept whatever they get. If I am treated unfairly I'm fighting back.

You have to understand that the way your father is acting (right or wrong) is based on how he was brought up and just about everything he's gone through in his life.

"treated unfairly" goes both ways (I'm sure he feels you treated him unfairly in some way)...and how you are being treated now might seem like a dream world if you choose to escalate things.

Fighting back in this way only works if you have some power...as a 15 year old living is your parents house, you don't have a lot of that kind power.

Another suggestion that might open some dialogue and get you the laptop back is if you offer to let him sleep in next tennis lesson and offer to take your sister to her lesson and pick her up. (Just make it clear its a one time thing, otherwise you might end up doing it forever :eek: ).

As for where the laptop is now, I'm guessing he knows that you will look for it so he took it somewhere where you can't find it. Better to give up the search and find a diplomatic way to get it back.
 
stonyc said:
Except he clothes you, feeds you...

My mommy does that.

stonyc said:
but did you pay for the iBook yourself?

Yep

stonyc said:
What about your car?

I'm only 15. I don't own a car, nor can I drive one.

stonyc said:
You want to be treated fairly, as an adult?

The meaning of fairness changes with age? Where have I been?

TheAnswer said:
Fighting back in this way only works if you have some power...as a 15 year old living is your parents house, you don't have a lot of that kind power.

I have easy access to... basically anything important to him. I also have an internet connect. I call that quite a bit of power. I know what I'm capable of doing. I don't want to go that far though as it's only a laptop and hopefully he'll give it back. If not I'll just have to buy another one. I just made this thread to see if it were possible for me to find it. I didn't really want all of this.
 
Hummer said:
My mommy does that.
Yep
I'm only 15. I don't own a car, nor can I drive one.
The meaning of fairness changes with age? Where have I been?
Just keep digging...
 
I see where Hummer is coming from.

My parents get mad at me for not being a "small child who should always do whatever his parents want".

I pay for my own clothes, everything in my room was payed for by me, and I often pay for my own food (we eat at mealtimes, but at school and on workdays, I pay for it myself). The only thing my parents pay for is my education, which is admittedly *quite* at lot!

However, I am quite often treated unfairly. This is wrong about kids not respecting their elders. The easiest way of making a child respect you is to respect them and not treat them like small children.

At mine and Hummer's age, we are getting towards being men, and we shouldn't be treated like we are small children any more. We have every right to say what we want, whether people want to listen to us or not.

Respect is a two way thing. I respect my parents quite a bit, but they still tell me what I should do, when to do stuff, and if they think something's a bad idea, they'll try and stop me from doing it.


If punishment is the way to go, do you think people that came out from the concentration camps respect the people who were in control in there? No.
 
Hummer said:
If not I'll just have to buy another one.

damn spoiled kids :rolleyes:

There are 2 ways a 15 year old can just be like "Oh, my dad took my laptop, I'll go buy another one":

1: Selling crack down on a corner in the ghetto
2: Parents either buy laptop or give their kid a hefty allowance

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not selling crack.
 
Timepass said:
Also your dad statement was made in anger and you shuld of known that and knew it was an anger statement and he still wanted you to go to you sister practic and stuff. I goign to guess the reason he wanted you there the entire time is she is a younger sister so you would be there for her safety (I dont care what you say about your neiborhood it for both you parents and you sister peace of mind). Your dad took something from you that he knew would get the point accross that you screwed up. Apprently you didnt get it.

My dad was there with her. I just needed to be there before he left, which I was. My way was just me leaving out after them instead of going in the car with them. I have no idea why he didn't like the idea, but my mom had no problem with it. My dad was there with her and when I got there he would leave.

Also I don't call him taking away my stuff trying to get a point accross, I call that him taking something from me to make me do what he wants to get it back.

Timepass said:
On top of that you tried to recuited your sister in on it. She did the right thing. My brother and I learned the leasoon the hard way trying to get my sister involved and not only did we get in trouble for trying to get her involved we got in trouble for trying to go around it.

My mom gave the okay for my sister to use it. He took it away from me, not my sister.
 
Or we could just have jobs. I work in a TV/HIFI store on saturdays, I have no allowance. I paid for my MBP, PC (all £1400 of it) entire surround sound system (cost me over £1500 second hand)...

Kids are getting older younger...
 
Hummer said:
My mommy does that.
Hummer said:
My mom gave the okay for my sister to use it. He took it away from me, not my sister.
Yeah, play your parents off against each other. That'll help the situation :rolleyes:

Hummer said:
The meaning of fairness changes with age? Where have I been?
Are you assuming your father's life is fair? Or anyone else's? Fairness has nothing to do with it. When you get to your Dad's age you'll realise that. In the meantime I can guarantee that however many hours a week you put in for him are dwarfed by the amount he does in return, even if you do think your mother pays for everything.

Hummer said:
I have easy access to... basically anything important to him. I also have an internet connect. I call that quite a bit of power. I know what I'm capable of doing. I don't want to go that far though as it's only a laptop and hopefully he'll give it back. If not I'll just have to buy another one. I just made this thread to see if it were possible for me to find it. I didn't really want all of this.
Now you're just sounding like a spoilt child on the verge of throwing a tantrum. It's probably best you suck it up and quit whilst you're ahead. Escalate this and you will come off worse.
 
yg17 said:
damn spoiled kids :rolleyes:

There are 2 ways a 15 year old can just be like "Oh, my dad took my laptop, I'll go buy another one":

1: Selling crack down on a corner in the ghetto
2: Parents either buy laptop or give their kid a hefty allowance

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not selling crack.

Let's just say I know my way around the internet enough to make money from it.

dynamicv said:
Now you're just sounding like a spoilt child on the verge of throwing a tantrum. It's probably best you suck it up and quit whilst you're ahead. Escalate this and you will come off worse.

I live with the guy... Personal stuff is everywhere. I'm not spoilt, I can tell you that. He doesn't give me this stuff.
If this is that big of a problem to me I would go that far bringing myself down also, but it's not so yea.
 
Killyp said:
If punishment is the way to go, do you think people that came out from the concentration camps respect the people who were in control in there? No.
So you're equating getting a laptop taken away because the OP may or may not have disrespected his dad... to the systematic slaughter of millions of people.

The bottom line is the OP may or may not have listened to his dad in a prompt enough manner, and was punished for it. We can debate whether that punishment was justified or not... but the fact remains that the OP then circumvented his father by not only finding and re-hiding his iBook, but made it worse by involving his sister (whom he stated "ratted" him out, that right there tells me that what he knew what he was doing was wrong). Now he states that he has the power to hijack his dad's car keys, computers, etc. Like I said, and others have said, if you wanted to be treated as an adult, act like one. If the OP feels his dad overreacted, be the bigger man and apologize for circumventing the punishment and then have a reasoned discussion about what precipitated this all.
 
Hummer said:
My mommy does that.

In large part it still works this way, you mom is the one who raises you from a baby to an adult, but it's your father who really molds you into a man.

I think it was probably wrong of you to get your mom involved and get out of sitting in the sun. Sure it worked short term, but you don't have your laptop back yet, which means on the whole, either your mother is on your dad's side (or your dad realizes you will use your mom to try and get it back, so he isn't listening to her on this one).

In general, it's wrong to talk with one parent about the decisions of another. The best thing is to talk to them together, let them discuss it, and live with the outcome (since at heart, they only want what is best for you in the long run).

The younger you are, in general, the more shortsighted your view of time, right/wrong, and actions tend to be. It would probably be best to do what your parents ask of you at the time, then if you have a problem, say you'd like to discuss it with both of them later.

In this way, as you talk with them about reasons you believe a particular request was unreasonable, rude, unwarranted or misguided, the both of them will be able to discuss ways to make their expectations more bearable for you in the future.

Plus, if you talk to them together, you're more likely to get a reasoning that you understand...I find that my father was very good at telling me to do things, but I was always curious why...my mother was the one that was good at explaining things to me.
 
stonyc said:
So you're equating getting a laptop taken away because the OP may or may not have disrespected his dad... to the systematic slaughter of millions of people.

The bottom line is the OP may or may not have listened to his dad in a prompt enough manner, and was punished for it. We can debate whether that punishment was justified or not... but the fact remains that the OP then circumvented his father by not only finding and re-hiding his iBook, but made it worse by involving his sister (whom he stated "ratted" him out, that right there tells me that what he knew what he was doing was wrong). Now he states that he has the power to hijack his dad's car keys, computers, etc. Like I said, and others have said, if you wanted to be treated as an adult, act like one. If the OP feels his dad overreacted, be the bigger man and apologize for circumventing the punishment and then have a reasoned discussion about what precipitated this all.

Okay, throw out the idea of me being related to the person who took away my ibook.

Let me see you get mugged and try to be diplomatic with the mugger to get it back. Be the bigger man and try to talk to him to get it back. And better yet, if you happen to find the thing that was taken from you, don't take it back because that'll only piss the mugger off.
 
Hummer said:
I'm not spoilt, I can tell you that. He doesn't give me this stuff.
Being spoilt doesn't mean you get given lots of things. It's how you react when you don't get what you want. If he's punishing you, take it like a man rather than whinging like a child. Going all out for petty revenge isn't going to do anything other than ensure you lose your Linux box too.
 
Hummer said:
Okay, throw out the idea of me being related to the person who took away my ibook.

Let me see you get mugged and try to be diplomatic with the mugger to get it back. Be the bigger man and try to talk to him to get it back. And better yet, if you happen to find the thing that was taken from you, don't take it back because that'll only piss the mugger off.

Dude, I am the same age as you, and I'm sorry to say that you have the mind of a 12 year old. We are not talking about some mugger on the street now. We are talking about your father, the man who raised you from birth. Have some respect, apologize, and you will be lucky if he is nice enough to give it back to you. You deserve to have it taken away.
 
Hummer said:
I call that quite a bit of power.

With power comes responsibilty...you are accusing your father of obusing his power and now you are on the verge of following in his footsteps. :confused:

Hummer said:
I didn't really want all of this.

Yet you got it, surprise...every action has a reaction. If you understood this more clearly, maybe this situation wouldn't have gone down in this way.

Hummer said:
I also have an internet connect. I call that quite a bit of power.

The power of an internet connect is insignificant in comparision to the power of The Force.
 
TheAnswer said:
In large part it still works this way, you mom is the one who raises you from a baby to an adult, but it's your father who really molds you into a man.

I think it was probably wrong of you to get your mom involved and get out of sitting in the sun. Sure it worked short term, but you don't have your laptop back yet, which means on the whole, either your mother is on your dad's side (or your dad realizes you will use your mom to try and get it back, so he isn't listening to her on this one).

In general, it's wrong to talk with one parent about the decisions of another. The best thing is to talk to them together, let them discuss it, and live with the outcome (since at heart, they only want what is best for you in the long run).

The younger you are, in general, the more shortsighted your view of time, right/wrong, and actions tend to be. It would probably be best to do what your parents ask of you at the time, then if you have a problem, say you'd like to discuss it with both of them later.

In this way, as you talk with them about reasons you believe a particular request was unreasonable, rude, unwarranted or misguided, the both of them will be able to discuss ways to make their expectations more bearable for you in the future.

Plus, if you talk to them together, you're more likely to get a reasoning that you understand...I find that my father was very good at telling me to do things, but I was always curious why...my mother was the one that was good at explaining things to me.

The thing is I usually do what my parents ask of me. This time I just made a suggestion and without being turned down I was punished. I didn't see him talk out anything with me. I brought up a suggestion and I thought he would be okay with it since it wasn't so farfetched and I actually thought it was a good idea. He didn't say no, he didn't say yes.

He got my mom involved. He called her on the phone and had her talk to me.
 
TheAnswer said:
Yet you got it, surprise...every action has a reaction. If you understood this more clearly, maybe this situation wouldn't have gone down in this way.

No, I meant I didn't want all of these replies. I just wanted a response of whether I could find it or not and I would handle it from there
 
Hummer said:
No, I meant I didn't want all of these replies. I just wanted a response of whether I could find it or not and I would handle it from there

Not always that easy. This is a forum of people who have opinions and thoughts, and you are going to get them whether you ask for them or not. ;)
 
dynamicv said:
Being spoilt doesn't mean you get given lots of things. It's how you react when you don't get what you want. If he's punishing you, take it like a man rather than whinging like a child. Going all out for petty revenge isn't going to do anything other than ensure you lose your Linux box too.

I'm sorry if I got mad because something I paid a grand and change for was taken away.
 
TheAnswer said:
In large part it still works this way, you mom is the one who raises you from a baby to an adult, but it's your father who really molds you into a man.

I think it was probably wrong of you to get your mom involved and get out of sitting in the sun. Sure it worked short term, but you don't have your laptop back yet, which means on the whole, either your mother is on your dad's side (or your dad realizes you will use your mom to try and get it back, so he isn't listening to her on this one).

In general, it's wrong to talk with one parent about the decisions of another. The best thing is to talk to them together, let them discuss it, and live with the outcome (since at heart, they only want what is best for you in the long run).

The younger you are, in general, the more shortsighted your view of time, right/wrong, and actions tend to be. It would probably be best to do what your parents ask of you at the time, then if you have a problem, say you'd like to discuss it with both of them later.

In this way, as you talk with them about reasons you believe a particular request was unreasonable, rude, unwarranted or misguided, the both of them will be able to discuss ways to make their expectations more bearable for you in the future.

Plus, if you talk to them together, you're more likely to get a reasoning that you understand...I find that my father was very good at telling me to do things, but I was always curious why...my mother was the one that was good at explaining things to me.

I agree with answer here. Hummer you have been told time and time again by several memeber that you are wrong and the more you add to try to say that you are right the more stead fast we become in our posistion.

Some of the poeple telling you are wrong are parents and they know what they are talking about and are telling you the views from a parents.

others like me are in college so things like this are still really fresh in our minds and we 2 are telling you that you are wrong. We had a little time away from our parents and gain the adavatage of seeing the world with out there control 24/7. And we have learned how they are right in most of actions.

Looking back on my childhood growing up I can rememeber quite few times thinking of the world like you do with my parents and not agreeing with them. Now several years later my views of the same things are that of my parents and I agree with what they did. I can see more long term.

You even said so your self that you where going to have you sister use it and then have her hide it so you could use it (BIG NO NO).

Hummer you screwed up. I havent seen any real post here that have been taking your side so now you have HS though parents all stating you are wrong.

I think you need to accept the fact that you are wrong. If you still havent figure out what you did wrong. TALK TO YOUR DAD in a respectful manner ask him. Dont be rude. Look appoligic and truelly fee sorry for waht you did. Chance are really good he tell you exaclty what you did wrong and trust me you screwed up and chance are that list will be exaclty what you did wrong.


And lastly I just going to have to add you are acting like a spoil kid right now. 15 year old having 1grand to spend that general unheard of with out having qutie a bit of parental help and guidens. You are sorry you lost you ibook but you are not sorry for your accetion that lead to that and have yet to try to make reprands of said actions.
 
Hummer said:
Okay, throw out the idea of me being related to the person who took away my ibook.

Let me see you get mugged and try to be diplomatic with the mugger to get it back. Be the bigger man and try to talk to him to get it back. And better yet, if you happen to find the thing that was taken from you, don't take it back because that'll only piss the mugger off.

Horrible analogy. A mugger has no right to take your stuff and is a theif. Your dad has every right to take things way from you as a punishment, because he is your dad, and if he tells you to do something and you don't obey, well, then expect punishment.
 
Hummer said:
I'm sorry if I got mad because something I paid a grand and change for was taken away.
Wrong apology with the wrong attitude to the wrong person.
 
Hummer said:
Okay, throw out the idea of me being related to the person who took away my ibook.
Except you can't do that.

Hummer said:
Let me see you get mugged and try to be diplomatic with the mugger to get it back. Be the bigger man and try to talk to him to get it back. And better yet, if you happen to find the thing that was taken from you, don't take it back because that'll only piss the mugger off.
And, we're not talking about a mugger... we're talking about your father.

These comparisons to muggers and the Holocaust are so out of line to this situation...
 
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