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Either clean install, or wait for public OTA update.

Don't install the GM, restore from a Backup, and then pretend like you don't know why you have issues.

Its You. Not iOS 8.

I have 10 devices in my purvey with iOS 8 GM. There are no issues with them.
 
Don't install the GM, restore from a Backup, and then pretend like you don't know why you have issues.

Well I'm happy with performance and battery life on my restore from backup. This backup has carried from my iPhone 4 to currently iphone 5 and through GMs of 5, 6 and 7 and been jailbroken with Limerain, Sn0wbreeze, Evasi0n and Pangu. I don't have any issues with performance or stability. And battery is slightly better now in 8 vs 7.1.2.
 
So since 8 hasn't been released, how does a non-dev get the software? I am not looking to install, but people are saying it's "out there" ready to install?
 
I installed iOS 8 on my 4S, and it's a pretty bad situation. I can understand that some of my apps won't be ready yet, and the developers need to fix things, but Safari is simply not working properly. I'm getting a 'no data connection error', but email is working fine... It's definitely the worst GM I've installed in a while (there was an iPad one way back that stopped the wifi and they had to release a second GM, that was pretty bad.).

I don't install betas or anything like that. Given that this is supposed to be ready to ship, it's not great.

Anyway, I'm able to downgrade, so it's not the end of the world. I'll be interested to see if people report the same problems when it goes officially live.

(maybe it's a carrier settings thing?)
 
Either clean install, or wait for public OTA update.

Don't install the GM, restore from a Backup, and then pretend like you don't know why you have issues.

Its You. Not iOS 8.

I have 10 devices in my purvey with iOS 8 GM. There are no issues with them.

Last time I checked restoring from backups was a feature of iOS. :rolleyes:
 
So since 8 hasn't been released, how does a non-dev get the software? I am not looking to install, but people are saying it's "out there" ready to install?

The iOS 8.0 GM is available on a number of download sites. All one has to do (as I did with my iPhone 5s) is to download the correct .ipsw file for your particular device/model, connect the device to your PC or Mac, run the latest version of iTunes (on Windows I was able to use 11.3.1.2, but 11.4 is now available) Select your device in iTunes on the left column, then to do an Upgrade like I did press the shift key and select "Check for Update", select the .ipsw file you downloaded and away you go.

I have been running iOS 8.0 on my iPhone 5s for a few days and so far there has been a few issues with some apps but that should be taken care of when the apps are updated. Other than that the performance has been as good if not better than 7.1.2 was.
 
As was updating through iTunes, rather than OTA (which is what I did...)

After you have backed up your iPhone, maybe try and do a clean install of the iOS 8 GM and don't install any apps and see how the performance is with just the default configuration. That way you can perhaps rule out issues with certain apps that need to be updated for 8.0 or something that might have gone wrong with the update?
 
Don't install the GM, restore from a Backup, and then pretend like you don't know why you have issues.

Its You. Not iOS 8.

I disagree 100% with this statement. If restoring from a backup causes issues, that means that iOS has bugs causing it to improperly handle data/settings from older versions. If old settings or data are incompatible, then iOS needs to recognize this and update/reset them as appropriate. And even if data is corrupted, iOS should recognize that and handle it appropriately.

This is really basic stuff - Error Handling 101. Always check for bad input data and handle it gracefully. The fact that Upgrade installs or restores from backup sometimes cause issues means that Apple has done a poor job of this. I would not want to use a product from any "developer" who does not understand this (I'm guessing that many/most at Apple understand it, but they are under enormous time pressure to get something out the door; it also may be that they just don't care, handling cases covering 80-90% of users and screwing the rest).


FWIW, I did a clean install of 8.0 GM, restored my backup (7.0.4), and then did a Reset All Settings. No major issues here (a few minor), and certainly nothing that could be blamed on old data. I kind of expected to go back to iOS 7 after verifying that my app works in 8 (yes, I'm a developer), but so far I've seen no reason to do so.

Even so, I would love to do a true clean install (setup as new), except for one database that I don't want to lose: text messages / iMessages. Every other piece of application data on my phone exists somewhere else and can be easily restored separately (mail, photos, account stuff, etc). But the text message database can only be restored from a full iOS backup, and Apple doesn't let you restore individual pieces of the backup. Very annoying.

Those of you suggesting that upgraders should only setup as new are basically telling people to lose that data (and possibly other data), which is ridiculous. :rolleyes:
 
I disagree 100% with this statement. If restoring from a backup causes issues, that means that iOS has bugs causing it to improperly handle data/settings from older versions. If old settings or data are incompatible, then iOS needs to recognize this and update/reset them as appropriate. And even if data is corrupted, iOS should recognize that and handle it appropriately.

This is really basic stuff - Error Handling 101. Always check for bad input data and handle it gracefully. The fact that Upgrade installs or restores from backup sometimes cause issues means that Apple has done a poor job of this. I would not want to use a product from any "developer" who does not understand this (I'm guessing that many/most at Apple understand it, but they are under enormous time pressure to get something out the door; it also may be that they just don't care, handling cases covering 80-90% of users and screwing the rest).


FWIW, I did a clean install of 8.0 GM, restored my backup (7.0.4), and then did a Reset All Settings. No major issues here (a few minor), and certainly nothing that could be blamed on old data. I kind of expected to go back to iOS 7 after verifying that my app works in 8 (yes, I'm a developer), but so far I've seen no reason to do so.

Even so, I would love to do a true clean install (setup as new), except for one database that I don't want to lose: text messages / iMessages. Every other piece of application data on my phone exists somewhere else and can be easily restored separately (mail, photos, account stuff, etc). But the text message database can only be restored from a full iOS backup, and Apple doesn't let you restore individual pieces of the backup. Very annoying.

Those of you suggesting that upgraders should only setup as new are basically telling people to lose that data (and possibly other data), which is ridiculous. :rolleyes:
What you are talking about is a nice theory, but not something that works practically with endless combinations of what sort of data and whatnot people can have on their devices. It's pretty much as opposite as it gets from being basic--only the idea of it is basic.
 
Seriously, some people just shouldn't be allowed to access developer software when they so obviously have NO idea what they are doing.

watch out boys! we have the King of "sapientia" (Wisdom) over here!!!

FYI, this Ios build is the same that will be a available next week, so any type of comment about ios8 now is valid. Get over your narcisist a$$.

This forum is becoming the place where you can only kiss apple's a$$.

And i dowbloaded the "GM" and installed fresh on both iPhone 5s and iPad air, battery life is horrible and the messages app crashed today 4 times.

Edit: i tried android L on my dad's nexus 5 (bad camera and battery life IMO But great phone)and its more fluid and stable as this "GM".
 
Downgraded to 7.1.2 from 8 GM

I just updated and installed over iOS 7 on iPhone 5s yesterday and everything is working fine. No clean install, etc. since iPhone 4. I am not a believer in having to do a clean install for every update. That defeats the purpose of "smart" phones. I have read that multiple people with problems have done multiple clean installs and the problems they report still exist, so I can't see how a clean install is worth all the effort.
 
watch out boys! we have the King of "sapientia" (Wisdom) over here!!!

FYI, this Ios build is the same that will be a available next week, so any type of comment about ios8 now is valid. Get over your narcisist a$$.

This forum is becoming the place where you can only kiss apple's a$$.

And i dowbloaded the "GM" and installed fresh on both iPhone 5s and iPad air, battery life is horrible and the messages app crashed today 4 times.

Edit: i tried android L on my dad's nexus 5 (bad camera and battery life IMO But great phone)and its more fluid and stable as this "GM".

I would be very interested to hear precisely how you "dowbloaded" the GM. Again, these just aren't issues most people are having. There could be 10,000 people on this forum whining about bad battery life, but that doesn't mean it's an issue with the iOS. You people seem completely incapable of realizing that YOUR phone's problem is very unlikely to be caused by the entire OS. It's likely some app you installed, some location or brightness setting. Could be a wireless connectivity issue that is causing the phone to expend 5x more energy to maintain cell signal because of bad reception. Could literally be 1,000 different things.

And no. The gold master *IS NOT THE FINAL RELEASE*. It IS NOT THE SAME. It is the closest beta to the final release, but Apple always makes tweaks between GM and public release.
 
I would be very interested to hear precisely how you "dowbloaded" the GM. Again, these just aren't issues most people are having. There could be 10,000 people on this forum whining about bad battery life, but that doesn't mean it's an issue with the iOS. You people seem completely incapable of realizing that YOUR phone's problem is very unlikely to be caused by the entire OS. It's likely some app you installed, some location or brightness setting. Could be a wireless connectivity issue that is causing the phone to expend 5x more energy to maintain cell signal because of bad reception. Could literally be 1,000 different things.

And no. The gold master *IS NOT THE FINAL RELEASE*. It IS NOT THE SAME. It is the closest beta to the final release, but Apple always makes tweaks between GM and public release.

The GM is the same build.
 
I would be very interested to hear precisely how you "dowbloaded" the GM. Again, these just aren't issues most people are having. There could be 10,000 people on this forum whining about bad battery life, but that doesn't mean it's an issue with the iOS. You people seem completely incapable of realizing that YOUR phone's problem is very unlikely to be caused by the entire OS. It's likely some app you installed, some location or brightness setting. Could be a wireless connectivity issue that is causing the phone to expend 5x more energy to maintain cell signal because of bad reception. Could literally be 1,000 different things.

And no. The gold master *IS NOT THE FINAL RELEASE*. It IS NOT THE SAME. It is the closest beta to the final release, but Apple always makes tweaks between GM and public release.

The highlighted sentences are contradictory. You should not be a developer if you cannot distinguish between OS and an APP. :p

This is the stupidest thing I have heard anyone say, based on prerelease software.

Saying Golden Master GM version is pre-release is even more stupid. GM is the exact code which will be released to the public on 17th.
 
The highlighted sentences are contradictory. You should not be a developer if you cannot distinguish between OS and an APP. :p
Umm.....no, they aren't contradictory...my statement is completely correct. With brightness, it is supremely obvious that I was talking about settings. After all, I said "brightness setting".The wrong app can most assuredly cause battery life issues. For example, poorly written podcasts apps have caused enormous battery life issues due to inefficient background update code, background downloading, etc. and there are thousands of other apps with similar problems, ie. pinging servers with fetch requests far too often in the background. The fact that you cannot recognize this is your problem.
 
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Umm.....my statement is completely correct. The wrong app can most assuredly cause battery life issues. For example, poorly written podcasts apps have caused enormous battery life issues due to inefficient background update code, background downloading, etc. and there are thousands of other apps with similar problems, ie. pinging servers with fetch requests far too often in the background. The fact that you cannot recognize this is your problem.

Background updates, brightness settings, pinging servers is the VERY definition of OS problems.

Ohh boy!! I will not argue with you any more. :D
 
Saying Golden Master GM version is pre-release is even more stupid. GM is the exact code which will be released to the public on 17th.

This is exactly, precisely why Apple should NOT let people like you access prerelease software. You download the beta and then whine and shriek on the forums that "omg my battery life is teh bad!!!111".

The gold master IS NOT the same code that Apple will release on public release. At the very least, they add wallpapers and functionality that exists for the 6 and 6+, but often they also add in other small tweaks and adjustments based off radar reports when possible. They try to make as few changes as possible, but they generally make a tweak somewhere.

Please, do us all a favor, stop downloading betas. It is obvious that you are WAY outside your capabilities.
 
I would be very interested to hear precisely how you "dowbloaded" the GM. Again, these just aren't issues most people are having. There could be 10,000 people on this forum whining about bad battery life, but that doesn't mean it's an issue with the iOS. You people seem completely incapable of realizing that YOUR phone's problem is very unlikely to be caused by the entire OS. It's likely some app you installed, some location or brightness setting. Could be a wireless connectivity issue that is causing the phone to expend 5x more energy to maintain cell signal because of bad reception. Could literally be 1,000 different things.

And no. The gold master *IS NOT THE FINAL RELEASE*. It IS NOT THE SAME. It is the closest beta to the final release, but Apple always makes tweaks between GM and public release.
While I agree with at least some of what you are saying about various issues people run into here and there, Apple almost never makes changes between GM and final release (the very meaning of GM is directly related to final release, there's nothing beta about it).
 
Background updates, brightness settings, pinging servers is the VERY definition of OS problems.

Ohh boy!! I will not argue with you any more. :D

...are you serious? Did you seriously just call the brightness setting the "definition of an OS problem"? What...?

Scratch my last post where I said you shouldn't download prerelease software. You shouldn't own a smartphone, either. Background updates such as pinging servers ARE APP ACTIVITY. They cannot occur without the user downloading the app.
 
This is exactly, precisely why Apple should NOT let people like you access prerelease software. You download the beta and then whine and shriek on the forums that "omg my battery life is teh bad!!!111".

The gold master IS NOT the same code that Apple will release on public release. At the very least, they add wallpapers and functionality that exists for the 6 and 6+, but often they also add in other small tweaks and adjustments based off radar reports when possible. They try to make as few changes as possible, but they generally make a tweak somewhere.

Please, do us all a favor, stop downloading betas. It is obvious that you are WAY outside your capabilities.
The functionality is already there as GM refers detected to the version they are loading onto the new phones. They generally do not make any changes at all, and have only done that on one occasion where they actually issued a new GM with whatever they had to change.
 
While I agree with at least some of what you are saying about various issues people run into here and there, Apple almost never makes changes between GM and final release (the very meaning of GM is directly related to final release, there's nothing beta about it).

That's not always correct. While that is generally the principle of the GM, Apple does make changes between GM and public release. The version stays the same but the actual byte count is nearly always different. They add in new official wallpapers. In iOS 4 for example, Game Center was removed between GM and public release for some iPhone models.

But even if this guys problems (the device issues, not the mental issues) were happening on iOS 7.1.2, they are more indicative of something he has done rather than the OS itself.
 
That's not always correct. While that is generally the principle of the GM, Apple does make changes between GM and public release. The version stays the same but the actual byte count is nearly always different. They add in new official wallpapers. In iOS 4 for example, Game Center was removed between GM and public release for some iPhone models.

But even if this guys problems (the device issues, not the mental issues) were happening on iOS 7.1.2, they are more indicative of something he has done rather than the OS itself.
So aside from one or two rare occurances like the GameCenter one, when else has the GM been different than the final version? When were additional wallpapers added between GM and final? Just curious at this point.
 
So aside from one or two rare occurances like the GameCenter one, when else has the GM been different than the final version? When were additional wallpapers added between GM and final? Just curious at this point.
With goldmasters, Apple still does work on the iOS and they do make changes from GM To public release. You are partly correct though, they will not make changes that effect apps, so that apps developed under the GM have no issues in public release. That is the point of the GM after all. But they usually remove debugging code, with iOS 7 they added new wallpapers in the public release, and in iOS 4 they removed GC from the 3GS. The changes they do make are usually low impact bug fixes that will not effect third party apps in any way. But they do make changes, that is for sure.

I've been using the iPhone betas for a long time now and I definitely remember that there have been other instances as well if you would like me to point them out.
 
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