Downgraded to 7.1.2 from 8 GM

[sanke1]

So aside from one or two rare occurances like the GameCenter one, when else has the GM been different than the final version? When were additional wallpapers added between GM and final? Just curious at this point.

AxoNeuron is trolling both of us. Let's not pick up a forum fight with him.

 

[C DM]

With goldmasters, Apple still does work on the iOS and they do make changes from GM To public release. You are partly correct though, they will not make changes that effect apps, so that apps developed under the GM have no issues in public release. That is the point of the GM after all. But they usually remove debugging code, with iOS 7 they added new wallpapers in the public release, and in iOS 4 they removed GC from the 3GS. The changes they do make are usually low impact bug fixes that will not effect third party apps in any way. But they do make changes, that is for sure.

I've been using the iPhone betas for a long time now and I definitely know there have been more instances as well if you would like me to point them out.

I'm curious now. I knew of one or two instances (both with iOS 4) but not beyond that. As I recall debugging code should be gone in GM. And are you saying the build number stays the same while something changes?

 

[AxoNeuron]

I'm curious now. I knew of one or two instances (both with iOS 4) but not beyond that. As I recall debugging code should be gone in GM. And are you saying the build number stays the same while something changes?

Yep, they keep the build number the same because some apps use that number, and they don't make any changes that will effect apps produced/finalized using the goldmaster.

 

[C DM]

Yep, they keep the build number the same because some apps use that number, and they don't make any changes that will effect apps produced/finalized using the goldmaster.

That's pretty odd (despite that reasoning) given that proper versining, which Apple is usually good at following, dictates that any change would need to be reflected in a build/spin/etc number somewhere.

 

[AxoNeuron]

That's pretty odd (despite that reasoning) given that proper versining, which Apple is usually good at following, dictates that any change would need to be reflected in a build/spin/etc number somewhere.

They only need a new version number if it will effect developers in some way. If it won't effect apps developed with the GM then they don't change the build number.

 

[sanke1]

Finally downgraded my mom's iPhone 5S to 7.1.2 as well. She was complaining of random lock-ups on 8 GM.

For those who are not having any problems with 8 GM, hang in there and you will encounter the reboot and hanging bugs sooner or later.

 

[Mtmspa]

Yup I will play the Wait and Watch game. Even iOS7 had to go to 7.1 to become usable. I expected iOS 8 to be a performance and refinement update to 7.1. But it's neither. There are not any standout features in 8 I will use. So lets see how the point updates like 8.0.1 or 8.1 turn out.

Till then I will enjoy my fast lag free devices on 7.1.2

No 7 worked fine. I smell a troll.

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Finally downgraded my mom's iPhone 5S to 7.1.2 as well. She was complaining of random lock-ups on 8 GM.

For those who are not having any problems with 8 GM, hang in there and you will encounter the reboot and hanging bugs sooner or later.

Why in hell would your upgrade her phone and not wait a week for the public release.

 

[C DM]

They only need a new version number if it will effect developers in some way. If it won't effect apps developed with the GM then they don't change the build number.

Well with proper versioning any change which in turn results in a new build should be reflected in a build number somewhere. So if Apple isn't doing that then they aren't really following along with proper versioning, which isn't all that good.

That said, so what other changes have there been? What were the new wallpapers between iOS 7 GM and public release?

 

[sanke1]

Why in hell would your upgrade her phone and not wait a week for the public release.

I have always updated her phone to GM all these years.She is old, but surprisingly she follws Apple news and wants the latest and greatest software out there.

Within 2 days, she called up asking me to revert to 7.1.2. I myself always updated to GM versions once they were available. But 8 GM is different. It sucks. This is coming from me who found 7 GM absolutely perfect. Well. I learnt my lesson and will see what kind of backlash Apple receives when GM becomes public. Expect point updates fixing stability soon.

 

[Paddle1]

Well with proper versioning any change which in turn results in a new build should be reflected in a build number somewhere. So if Apple isn't doing that then they aren't really following along with proper versioning, which isn't all that good.

That said, so what other changes have there been? What were the new wallpapers between iOS 7 GM and public release?

What about this:

Known Issue
Shazam with Siri and Purchase iTunes Content with Siri are not functional in the GM seed. They will be available once iOS 8 is released to the general public.

Could this be a change between them? Or is it something server side.

 

[sanke1]

What about this:

Known Issue
Shazam with Siri and Purchase iTunes Content with Siri are not functional in the GM seed. They will be available once iOS 8 is released to the general public.

Could this be a change between them? Or is it something server side.

Can you link source where Apple themselves confirm this? Or maybe Apple has decided to drop that feature last minute?

 

[Paddle1]

Can you link source where Apple themselves confirm this? Or maybe Apple has decided to drop that feature last minute?

I can't give you a link to the release notes, but it comes up if you Google the sentence.

 

[ErikGrim]

iOS8 GM definitely has issues. Facebook is still allowed to freeze my phone for up to a minute at a time (scrolling timeline stops, and buttons become unresponsive). And now I can’t even sync with iTunes.

Going to do a full restore from backup and reset all settings (again). But if this turns out to be widespread with people NOT having gone through the betas and are just upgrading from 7.1.2 then it’s not going to be a smooth launch.

 

[AxoNeuron]

A lot of people completely mistake issues with their phone to be issues with iOS itself. They do the same thing on Android, windows, etc. believing "this MUST be a problem with Android!", because it couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that they tried to dry their wet phone in the microwave. It almost never is. It's generally a problem with some third party app, or how you upgraded to the beta versions (or updates you've done in the past that caused issues that are only now apparent)...it could be some setting you've set, or any *THOUSANDS* of other things.

Really, until you've taken a microscopic look at the error/diagnostic reports, you cannot honestly try and tell people "omg its the iOS its teh worst!!!111"

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Can you link source where Apple themselves confirm this? Or maybe Apple has decided to drop that feature last minute?

Paddle is correct, it is in the GM release notes.

Think I'm still crazy?

 

[FatPuppy]

My iPad Air was laggy and glitched. It rebooted twice in 1 day and diagnostics data had few kernel panics and huge amount of random entries.

My iPhone 5c was noticeably slower and laggy.

Another iPhone 5S in the house is still on 8 GM as the experience is tolerable there. But even that phone hung 2 times in 1 day. So deciding whether to bring it down to 7.1.2 as well.

iOS 8 is a failure. First time I regretted updating to GM. Never happened while updating to newer iOS versions before.

Who all done it?

I completely agree with you, I have an ipad mini retina. I DFU restored with itunes, set it as new ipad. I didn't set up icloud, nothing, just the WIFI connection. Ios 8 sometimes performs worse on my r mini than my 4s. The keyboard lags all the f. time. In beta 5, rotating in the app store was smooth as butter but in the GM, the lag is back, CC and NC lag in the lockscreen and the geekbench 3 scores are significantly worse. I really don't understand why devs are so god damn stupid, ios 8 GM is not a beta, it is the same as the public version that will be available on itunes.

 

[sanke1]

Since so much optimism was shown by @AxoNeuron and few others, I did a DFU restore of GM 8 again on my iPad Air. and set as new. I installed no 3rd party apps. I did not add any email or iCloud accounts. But after just using Safari for 2- hrs, the iPad rebooted itself again.

Now I can confirm 100% that iOS 8 GM is not just underwhelming, its complete s***. I sincerely hope that the version public gets on 17th is different and does not crash like this GM.

Back to 7.1.2

 

[C DM]

What about this:

Known Issue
Shazam with Siri and Purchase iTunes Content with Siri are not functional in the GM seed. They will be available once iOS 8 is released to the general public.

Could this be a change between them? Or is it something server side.

Could be server side, could be something they fix with a 8.0.1 type of update. We'll see if it means that the version that comes out to the public has it working (and if there's a way to figure out if that was a change in the code or just something server-side).

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since so much optimism was shown by @axoneuron and few others, i did a dfu restore of gm 8 again on my ipad air. And set as new. I installed no 3rd party apps. I did not add any email or icloud accounts. But after just using safari for 2- hrs, the ipad rebooted itself again.

Now i can confirm 100% that ios 8 gm is not just underwhelming, its complete s***. I sincerely hope that the version public gets on 17th is different and does not crash like this gm.

Back to 7.1.2

Doesn't sound that much different than iOS 7.0 when it was repeased.

 

[klamse25]

I have iOS 8 on four different devices, and with the GM, not one single one of them has had any of the issues you are bringing up.

Keep in mind that most apps have not been written for iOS 8 and this can cause a huge number of issues...such as the issues you are describing

I love it when a non-developer uses developer software and then comes on here and whines that his device crashes

The issues you are describing are no more common in the iOS 8 GM than they were in iOS 7.0, or iOS 6.0...

Seriously, some people just shouldn't be allowed to access developer software when they so obviously have NO idea what they are doing.

You're an idiot if you get mad at people for expecting a GM to work properly.

It's the same thing that will be released publicly. It better for damn sure work whether you're a dev or an average user before you release it.

 

[AxoNeuron]

You're an idiot if you get mad at people for expecting a GM to work properly.

It's the same thing that will be released publicly. It better for damn sure work whether you're a dev or an average user before you release it.

Um...

....I'm not getting mad at anyone for expecting a GM to work properly. What is aggravating is when someone says "omg I put the GM on my phone and now candy crush doesn't work!!!111 iOS 8 absolutely sucks!"

Or, safari crashes on them literally one time, and they automatically assume the entire OS is critically flawed. Without realizing that a crashing we browser is an issue common to every mobile OS ever made, every single version, because the web itself is so large and variable.

People are mistaking problems caused by OTHER sources with problems caused by iOS itself.

99% of all issues are user error, or poor coding of whatever website they're on causing a memory leak.

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Since so much optimism was shown by @AxoNeuron and few others, I did a DFU restore of GM 8 again on my iPad Air. and set as new. I installed no 3rd party apps. I did not add any email or iCloud accounts. But after just using Safari for 2- hrs, the iPad rebooted itself again.

Now I can confirm 100% that iOS 8 GM is not just underwhelming, its complete s***. I sincerely hope that the version public gets on 17th is different and does not crash like this GM.

Back to 7.1.2

Doubtful. The issue you're describing right now happens to tens of thousands of people on 7.1.2 as well. Or on Android. Or windows phone. Or...any other OS with a web browser ever made.

Now, when I hear that millions of people around the globe are having issues with safari stability, I will believe that iOS has an issue. Otherwise, it's not a huge deal. I have been using safari for several hours today on my ipad for work and it hasn't crashed a single time. Fresh install on an air as well. Works perfectly. But unlike you, i don't believe my personal experience can be attributed to the OS itself.

 

[cjmillsnun]

Did you see that his post even got up-voted by blatant fanboys even though whatever he said about GM for developers was false? It's come to a point that you cannot even be a critique of Apple.

Performance wise, iOS 8 GM is clearly inferior to iOS 7.1.2
Some people are not sensitive to lag and hence they don't notice it. But OCD guys like me notice a gain or drop of 20 fps here and there. iPad rebooting on it's own twice in 1 day is simply not acceptable on final release. At some point, I will have to update but will wait.

Performance wise it is inferior for YOU. I have the GM on an iPhone 5S and an iPad 3 and have not noticed any degradation of performance at all. Nor have I had any spontaneous reboots. iOS 7 GM OTOH was awful.

 

[Ries]

This is exactly, precisely why Apple should NOT let people like you access prerelease software. You download the beta and then whine and shriek on the forums that "omg my battery life is teh bad!!!111".

The gold master IS NOT the same code that Apple will release on public release. At the very least, they add wallpapers and functionality that exists for the 6 and 6+, but often they also add in other small tweaks and adjustments based off radar reports when possible. They try to make as few changes as possible, but they generally make a tweak somewhere.

Please, do us all a favor, stop downloading betas. It is obvious that you are WAY outside your capabilities.

You got no clue... it IS the final version, what do you think they have preloaded the millions of phones going out the door with?

 

[adamgbiggs]

Had to downgrade to iOS 7 again just like with beta 5, was set up as new, no backup etc and my 5S suffers the same wifi bug as it did in beta 5, wifi stalls and takes a while to get going every now and then, sometimes upto 30 seconds, couldn't deal with it, now it's lovely and rapid again on iOS 7.

Adam.

 

[campyguy]

I still am having no problems with my 4 iOS devices after a few days. I am looking forward to iOS 8-optimized apps and apps built with Xcode 6, and the first couple of iOS 8 updates.

 

[Altis]

No 7 worked fine. I smell a troll.

iOS 7 was pretty bad until 7.1. The unbearably slow animations were just brutal, and it took half a year to get them to a tolerable speed.

Even still, they interfere with the way I use the device. Many missed taps/swipes and keyboard inputs (when the keyboard first pops up) because of these new delays.

I'm going to wait to see iOS 8 running well before upgrading or purchasing another iPhone.

Because remember, once you're on it, no matter how poorly it runs on your device, you're stuck with it, hoping endlessly that Apple will fix it.

And they might not.

 

[Tubamajuba]

watch out boys! we have the King of "sapientia" (Wisdom) over here!!!

FYI, this Ios build is the same that will be a available next week, so any type of comment about ios8 now is valid. Get over your narcisist a$$.

This forum is becoming the place where you can only kiss apple's a$$.

And i dowbloaded the "GM" and installed fresh on both iPhone 5s and iPad air, battery life is horrible and the messages app crashed today 4 times.

Edit: i tried android L on my dad's nexus 5 (bad camera and battery life IMO But great phone)and its more fluid and stable as this "GM".

Awesome, get an Android phone and stop insulting people because you disagree with them.