That has crossed my mind more than once in the last few days.. could even up the card to the 6800, and still save a few quid!
.. but still.. that extra 1Ghz...
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That has crossed my mind more than once in the last few days.. could even up the card to the 6800, and still save a few quid!
.. but still.. that extra 1Ghz...Well, I just spoke with a representative at the Apple Store, and she seemed pretty convinced that the initial orders were still going out on the 30th of July.
Maybe the first shipment will be small and the resellers will not get a piece of it. My reseller at ClubMac told me yesterday that the ETA is still the end of this week, although someone else at ClubMac said not until August.
I have a feeling that those of you showing 7/30 from Apple are in good shape. Hold tight, you should have your 2.5 by next week. As for the rest of us in reseller land... I think it may be a few more weeks.
Maybe the first shipment will be small and the resellers will not get a piece of it. My reseller at ClubMac told me yesterday that the ETA is still the end of this week, although someone else at ClubMac said not until August.
I have a feeling that those of you showing 7/30 from Apple are in good shape. Hold tight, you should have your 2.5 by next week. As for the rest of us in reseller land... I think it may be a few more weeks.
I woke up this morning to find an Apple Shipping Confirmation in my email inbox. I 'bout lost it. Then I noticed it was for the 20" Cinema Display that had an estimated ship date "on or before 8/20/04." I'm glad it's on its way, but what a disappointment. My 2.5 G5 still says "on or before 7/30/04." I'm really beginning to wonder too, will Apple wait until Friday to change that to a later date or do they still think that they'll ship by then? It certainly seems like they should know by now if they can meet that date or not. My level of anticipation is almost to the "who cares" stage too, just not quite.
Oficially going nuts
Buying the 2.0 will save me 700 euros. I get an extra one gig of ram anyways.
So it boils down to 700 euros save on a mac that will sit in my office in less than an hour.
Or spend all the cash and wait for another 5 weeks. 5 very long weeks.
The thing is you never know whats gonna happen living in the Benelux countries.
We don't get delivered straight away.
What to do, is it worth the wait and the money.
By the way I heve been waiting since january
Buying the 2.0 will save me 700 euros. I get an extra one gig of ram anyways.
So it boils down to 700 euros save on a mac that will sit in my office in less than an hour.
Or spend all the cash and wait for another 5 weeks. 5 very long weeks.
The thing is you never know whats gonna happen living in the Benelux countries.
We don't get delivered straight away.
What to do, is it worth the wait and the money.
By the way I heve been waiting since january
MOST of us have a ship date of 7/30. I have no idea how that translates into 'real' numbers in terms of the actual amount of people that a) have ordered the 2.5 and b) that have this as thier ship date.
it seems odd to me that there is some huge 'place(s)' that has all of these ordered g5s and that all at once they will go out on the 30th. Is apple going to call EVERY truck that fedex has to come over and pick it up?
even though there are obviously multiple locations in which apple builds thier machines, I still don't understand how they can ship everything all at once. to do so would impy that MOST of our orders are filled and 'waiting' for the truck to arrive. I mean HOW many g5s can they build & ship in a day?
I could be wrong, but logic & common sense dictates that this is not the case.
I find it rather infuriating that considering that the g5 is their 'pro' line, it would be the 'professional' and ethical thing to INFORM us of true estimated ship dates asap. They should know by now whether the 30th is STILL realistic and where, for instance, I (personally speaking) sit in that que.
Personally i NEED to know when i can expect this machine for reasons far to boring to get into to plan certain jobs I have looming on the horizon.
We all know that the powermac is the professional "caddilac (sp?)" of computers. I wish the customers were treated with the same respect.
I don't care WHO'S fault it is - ibm chips late, liquid cooled parts late, - whatever. COMMUNICATE! inform. show good faith, and appreciate my time, money, loyalty, and patience.
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it seems odd to me that there is some huge 'place(s)' that has all of these ordered g5s and that all at once they will go out on the 30th. Is apple going to call EVERY truck that fedex has to come over and pick it up?
even though there are obviously multiple locations in which apple builds thier machines, I still don't understand how they can ship everything all at once. to do so would impy that MOST of our orders are filled and 'waiting' for the truck to arrive. I mean HOW many g5s can they build & ship in a day?
I could be wrong, but logic & common sense dictates that this is not the case.
I find it rather infuriating that considering that the g5 is their 'pro' line, it would be the 'professional' and ethical thing to INFORM us of true estimated ship dates asap. They should know by now whether the 30th is STILL realistic and where, for instance, I (personally speaking) sit in that que.
Personally i NEED to know when i can expect this machine for reasons far to boring to get into to plan certain jobs I have looming on the horizon.
We all know that the powermac is the professional "caddilac (sp?)" of computers. I wish the customers were treated with the same respect.
I don't care WHO'S fault it is - ibm chips late, liquid cooled parts late, - whatever. COMMUNICATE! inform. show good faith, and appreciate my time, money, loyalty, and patience.
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sdp
belair said:What to do, is it worth the wait and the money.
By the way I heve been waiting since january
I said the same thing yesterday. I told my girlfriend that i was thinking about just getting the 2.0 and a new iPod with the extra money I saved. She asked me why I would do something like that after waiting for so long, and I said I was just tired of waiting and tired of the dates changing.
Her reply was this "i dunnooo... that doesn't sound like a good reason. it just sounds like you're in a fight with mac and you're trying to get them back for making you wait."
Which is kind of true. I guess if you can't live without a computer RIGHT NOW then you should cancel and get a 2.0. But it hasn't even reached the 30th yet, so these things might still ship. And if you get a 2.0 now and find out you could have had a 2.5 in 2 weeks, how is that going to make you feel? Something to consider...
sdp said:
I would try not to get angry at Apple yet. While I totally doubt that these things are going to ship on Friday, it still isn't Friday yet. They haven't missed their original date yet, so we can't be mad until then.
As for the shipping - how many people do you actually know that have the 30th as their date? Could you say 20, 50? Even 100. I think maybe I've come across 20-30 people on this and other forums. That's not a large shipment at all. I read something a month ago on a french site that said Apple only had 1000 cooling units and wasnt getting another 10,000 until the end of July. Who knows if thats true, but it would make sense. 1000 orders out the door 7/30. The rest trickle out as they are ready.
DWKlink said:
It might be silly. But since I need a new machine for various reasons. My brother broke his 17 inch powerbook laptop, I used to do photoediting on. I own a B&W G3, really old now.
I am a free lance grpahic designer and when I ordered the 2.5 it was just for professional reasons. But since I ordered I signed a contact to teach art in high school. So I guess I won't need the power as badly, I will still be freelancing but less
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DWKlink said:
i don't know if the people on these sites paint a full picture as to how many orders exist.
Based on the fact that I ordered late in the game - june 25th or so - and i read that people into july were also getting the 30th as a ship date, I'm led to assume that all orders, short of 6800 card, got that date until sometime in july.
I mean there must be edit, graphic, sound, design companies, et al all over the country that have ordered numbers of these machines as well as numerous other industries. if you also consider the way apple upgrades in defined bumps that everyone waits for, you can also guess that 2.5 orders don't really trickle upon annoucement, but rather burst and then trickle.
I'm not 'mad' per se, however, when I bought my machine the seller on the phone (from apple direct) ASSURED me, I mean REALLY assured me that I was looking at a ship date MUCH closer to the 15th of july, not the end. I asked 3 times specifically. When I called back ( a long time ago) to say 'hey what's with the 30th, the woman who sold this to me said more like the 15th" - apple said:
sorry. aka - too bad, whatever. tough. we guarantee nothing to you whatsoever. why? because we just don't.
Now in MY life, if i tell a client it's the 15 or so and then say - actually, no maybe the 30th because, well, i don't guarantee anything- i am fired. simple.
so as I wrote before. Good faith and respect is what I ask.
sdp
I had originally ordered the 2.5, but then changed it to the Rev. B 2.0 for a few reasons.
First, I still want to wait for the liquid cooling technology to reach a couple of generations before I buy into it. Just my opinion and I'm sure it'll be fine and, if there's a problem, Apple will fix it, but I decided to wait.
I'm also in a big project and really could use it now. I figured I could add the 6800 card later. I don't even game, so I may not.
The extra 500 bucks is nice, but not the deal-breaker.
I wanted to install the G5Jam and that's not yet compatible with the 2.0, so that was another reason. Also, it's not really like getting "an extra 1 gigahertz," as someone said, in real performance. That would be more like a dual 3.0 in real benchmark figures. Anyway, even if I were wrong here, I don't like getting into numbers crunching too much. For the real world 10 hour a day photo and video work that I do, the dual 2.0 beats the pants off my dual 1.25 G4.
I got the machine quickly and my 23" display is arriving today. It had been automatically upgraded and I got the shipping notice Saturday.
I can't wait to hear how the dual 2.5 is from everyone. I'm sure it's a kick-ass machine. I'm going to wait and skip a generation or two and get one of the dual-core machines in late '05, god willing, money willing, etc.
First, I still want to wait for the liquid cooling technology to reach a couple of generations before I buy into it. Just my opinion and I'm sure it'll be fine and, if there's a problem, Apple will fix it, but I decided to wait.
I'm also in a big project and really could use it now. I figured I could add the 6800 card later. I don't even game, so I may not.
The extra 500 bucks is nice, but not the deal-breaker.
I wanted to install the G5Jam and that's not yet compatible with the 2.0, so that was another reason. Also, it's not really like getting "an extra 1 gigahertz," as someone said, in real performance. That would be more like a dual 3.0 in real benchmark figures. Anyway, even if I were wrong here, I don't like getting into numbers crunching too much. For the real world 10 hour a day photo and video work that I do, the dual 2.0 beats the pants off my dual 1.25 G4.
I got the machine quickly and my 23" display is arriving today. It had been automatically upgraded and I got the shipping notice Saturday.
I can't wait to hear how the dual 2.5 is from everyone. I'm sure it's a kick-ass machine. I'm going to wait and skip a generation or two and get one of the dual-core machines in late '05, god willing, money willing, etc.
sdp said:
I totally agree. My G5 is going to be for personal use - I don't have any jobs waiting, but, at 33 yo, I'm still trying to figure out what to do with my life (when I grow up), and some of the projects I'm waiting to start with this new G5 are part of that. My current livelihood isn't at stake, but my future is on hold. I know, it sounds silly, but I have some ideas that I want to try and my old B&W just can't handle it. It's very frustrating.
I think Apple must believe that they are going to ship these things by Friday, otherwise, the lack of communication with their loyal suckers, I mean customers, seems very disrespectful, and if they don't care that it looks that way, then it's not the kind of company I thought it was. I'd really appreciate it if they'd give us some info.
7-27-04 still "on or before 7-30"
Three days and counting with the "official" shipping date of my generic configured 2.5.
If its going to be the "or before 7-30-04" part of the est shipping date.....its getting pretty close.
If the date is going to slip beyond the 30th and they hope to tell us that in advance....its getting pretty close for that too.
This thread should be getting pretty busy come friday. We'll see how many of the posting people here actually ordered a 2.5 AND have an est ship date of "on or before 7-30-04". --E
Three days and counting with the "official" shipping date of my generic configured 2.5.
If its going to be the "or before 7-30-04" part of the est shipping date.....its getting pretty close.
If the date is going to slip beyond the 30th and they hope to tell us that in advance....its getting pretty close for that too.
This thread should be getting pretty busy come friday. We'll see how many of the posting people here actually ordered a 2.5 AND have an est ship date of "on or before 7-30-04". --E
Unfortunately, shipping dates - from Apple or most other companies - are not holy covenants or binding contracts. They're estimated shipping dates.
My livelihood *does* depend on my machines, which is one reason I usually take a bird in the hand if I need it. None of this is new.
It's all happened before, and not just with Apple. Either wait or get a new machine, but all of this huffing and puffing is not going to do help your cause.
My livelihood *does* depend on my machines, which is one reason I usually take a bird in the hand if I need it. None of this is new.
It's all happened before, and not just with Apple. Either wait or get a new machine, but all of this huffing and puffing is not going to do help your cause.
Just to drive us all mad
..... Looks like some people let their "salesman brains" take over their "reality brain"
http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_Power_Mac_G5___PPC_G5_2_5_GHz/4014-3118_7-30912295.html
..... Looks like some people let their "salesman brains" take over their "reality brain"
http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_Power_Mac_G5___PPC_G5_2_5_GHz/4014-3118_7-30912295.html
Depends, if you're using the system to make money, will you make 700 euros in 5 weeks or less? If so, buy the 2.0GHz machine. If not, depends on your patience level, if you want to play BF1942 today, don't wait for the 2.5GHz. You can always upgrade your graphics card later when the 6800 is in amble supply.belair said:Buying the 2.0 will save me 700 euros. I get an extra one gig of ram anyways.
So it boils down to 700 euros save on a mac that will sit in my office in less than an hour.
Or spend all the cash and wait for another 5 weeks. 5 very long weeks.
The thing is you never know whats gonna happen living in the Benelux countries.
We don't get delivered straight away.
What to do, is it worth the wait and the money.
By the way I heve been waiting since january
Besides, it's not like the 2.5GHz is actually 1 GHz faster than the 2.0GHz machine, it's more like 600-700MHz faster...
GeckoHD said:Not that bothered about the graphics card. I do a lot of FCP work, but as for games. No, never played any games - they bore me. Eventually I will probably upgrade, but for the moment, I feel the xt has enough power for me. Plus, I dont want any more issues that could delay the order.
I have so many projects paused, waiting for the delivery. I am on my 12" Powerbook as my PC died 2 days after I made my G5 order (fate?). Although its a great machines, its hard to work with for video projects because of the small screen.
Apple... If you are reading this. This G5 order marks my official 'switch'. You ad campaign worked on me, I decided to ditch PCs and move to mac. So please don't disappoint me by pushing my order date back. Prove me right on my decision to ditch Mr Gates and his kind.
Ship on time.
This is almost exactly my same story.
My PC died, giving me the chance to effect a total switch to Mac. I've been on my PowerBook since that time; and while it's adequate enough, I am getting more and more desperate to get back to using a full-size desktop model.
mallen said:..... Looks like some people let their "salesman brains" take over their "reality brain"
http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_Power_Mac_G5___PPC_G5_2_5_GHz/4014-3118_7-30912295.html
Ahhh but it makes you wonder....
Do any of those companies actually have them in stock?
That's a lot of yes's on that page after all...
Originally Posted by jdhuskey
I woke up this morning to find an Apple Shipping Confirmation in my email inbox. I 'bout lost it. Then I noticed it was for the 20" Cinema Display that had an estimated ship date "on or before 8/20/04." I'm glad it's on its way, but what a disappointment. My 2.5 G5 still says "on or before 7/30/04." I'm really beginning to wonder too, will Apple wait until Friday to change that to a later date or do they still think that they'll ship by then? It certainly seems like they should know by now if they can meet that date or not. My level of anticipation is almost to the "who cares" stage too, just not quite.
That's just to lock you into your order. They don't want anyone else canceling their orders.
I woke up this morning to find an Apple Shipping Confirmation in my email inbox. I 'bout lost it. Then I noticed it was for the 20" Cinema Display that had an estimated ship date "on or before 8/20/04." I'm glad it's on its way, but what a disappointment. My 2.5 G5 still says "on or before 7/30/04." I'm really beginning to wonder too, will Apple wait until Friday to change that to a later date or do they still think that they'll ship by then? It certainly seems like they should know by now if they can meet that date or not. My level of anticipation is almost to the "who cares" stage too, just not quite.
That's just to lock you into your order. They don't want anyone else canceling their orders.
Duff-Man says.....are you still here? They have *not* missed any dates yet. The 2.5 was officially announced in June and as shipping in July. Unless they do not ship *any* 2.5's this week they have not missed any deadlines. You cannot count those year old "projections" as they were never for any officially announced product....oh yeah!itsa said:
itsa said:
I'm not talking about rumors, or promises made on projections. Nor am I talking about "My reseller said that they'll be in 7/15" or "This Apple rep really thinks they'll be out earlier than that." I'm saying that the earliest official word that Apple has ever given to anyone who has ordered a machine from them is on or before 7/30. They never said that any 2.5 would ever be available before that date. And we haven't reached it yet.
Again, I think pigs will fly before we see a 2.5 on 7/30 - but you can't blame Apple until then.
Duff-Man said:
Why is it that people insist that Apple is somehow immune to CRM criticism? The simple fact of the matter is they have problems getting new products out the door. I have seen this with 2 of the 3 macs I have owned - first with a 12" PB, then with a 17 only a few months later.
The secret to good CRM is communication - something Apple does not handle as well as they could. If I drop $5k on a new 2.5 with a 23" display today, there will be a $5000 hole in my account long before it ships. Meanwhile, I'm sitting here with nothing but "on or before _____" to hold me over?
Whether or not they have missed the scheduled ship date, they need to get their sh*t together on the "order status" system and get their reps the right information sooner than later. Giving people dates in the first place may have caused this very situation, but at least they could update the estimated ship date while they figure out how to best spend the $5k I no longer have.....
-pooka
DWKlink said:
Apple and apple reps are one in the same. When I had my biz... My sales guys were the most informed. What they said you could count on, or the company looked bad. As a corp. you are as good as your reps.
I called them and the first thing I asked was "if I order today when will I get it?" Whitout a second take... I got a very firm "on or before the 15th" then the 17th, 27th, 30th and the last time I called (when I canceled the order) "the first week of Aug"
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