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Dvorak on iPhone: Send Apple Feedback
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How's that BetaMax tape player working for you ?
DVORAK is a keyboard layout intended for 10 fingers, not for touch typing
Good luck with your petition but it's going to fail.
The inventor of the Apple computer, Steve Wozniak, is a Dvorak user.
It has benefits for thumb typing because people who use it on their computer (it's included with Mac OS, Windows, and Linux) are familiar with the layout.
QWERTY was developed to avoid jamming typewriters, not for touch typing. Dvorak was developed to optimize the speed at which one can type. It would only make sense for someone who uses Dvorak on their computers to have the same keyboard layout on their phone, for the sake of continuity.
Since Dvorak is optimized for alternation, it is just as effective at optimizing thumb typing, since it reduces the occurrence of double tapping per thumb.
any modern OS should support Dvorak. it's far and away the most popular English keyboard layout besides QWERTY. it's pretty mindblowing that apple would ship an OS without it. i mean, jesus, even Windows includes Dvorak support.
however, apple should really look into adding a Colemak layout, especially since there's no research supporting speed improvements from the Dvorak layout (except the data Dvorak himself fabricated), and Colemak is actually designed using modern HCI technology to not only improve typing speed by quantitatively measurable metrics, but also to be easy to learn for existing QWERTY typists.
also i haven't used OS X since 10.4, did they manage to get Home and End working finally?
however, apple should really look into adding a Colemak layout, especially since there's no research supporting speed improvements from the Dvorak layout (except the data Dvorak himself fabricated), and Colemak is actually designed using modern HCI technology to not only improve typing speed by quantitatively measurable metrics, but also to be easy to learn for existing QWERTY typists.
also i haven't used OS X since 10.4, did they manage to get Home and End working finally?
No, at the moment CMD + arrows left and right do what home and end should do. They only make one keyboard (out of 8) that has home and end keys, anyway. Seems like they are trying to phase out the numpad, pageup and down, etc.
Here's a Web comic book for people who are unaware of the numerous benefits of Dvorak:
http://dvzine.org/zine/index.html
Click on "NEXT -->" at the bottom right-hand corner of the screen to turn the pages.
EDIT: For people who want to read the comic in a higher resolution, they can download a PDF file of it here:
http://mirror.wrpn.net/dvzine/TheDvorakZine.pdf
http://dvzine.org/zine/index.html
Click on "NEXT -->" at the bottom right-hand corner of the screen to turn the pages.
EDIT: For people who want to read the comic in a higher resolution, they can download a PDF file of it here:
http://mirror.wrpn.net/dvzine/TheDvorakZine.pdf
yes but 100% of DVORAK users also know QWERTY
I've tried DVORAK, and it has more negatives than positives
the copy paste shorcuts are moved around, wasd keys for many games have to be reassigned, my right hand was getting way more tired , when programming all the punctation is moved around, etc etc
you guys are just trying to be different for different sakes
For most people it's not a faster way of typing, its just a "different way"
Trust me I understand the reason DVORAK people are so angry ( betamax reference), but DVORAK is not groundbreaking when you have people ( like myself) who can already type at about 80-100 WPM
I'll stop myself there because obviously this is not a DVORAK vs QWERTY thread
Here is a quote from Steve Wozniak about Dvorak:
"We were also naive to think that the best technology would prevail. It often doesn't. Consider the tale of the 50-year-old Dvorak keyboard and the conventional typewriter. The conventional English typewriter was designed to be slow, to prevent key jams. The Dvorak, which arranges the letters in the most logical way, can improve typing speed by 10 to 30 percent and is much easier to learn. But it never took off, because people had already learned the standard keyboard. Like the Dvorak keyboard, Apple's superior operating system lost the market-share war." - Steve Wozniak
Source: http://www.woz.org/pages/wozscape/Articles/Newsweek_FailingApple/FailingApple.HTML
"We were also naive to think that the best technology would prevail. It often doesn't. Consider the tale of the 50-year-old Dvorak keyboard and the conventional typewriter. The conventional English typewriter was designed to be slow, to prevent key jams. The Dvorak, which arranges the letters in the most logical way, can improve typing speed by 10 to 30 percent and is much easier to learn. But it never took off, because people had already learned the standard keyboard. Like the Dvorak keyboard, Apple's superior operating system lost the market-share war." - Steve Wozniak
Source: http://www.woz.org/pages/wozscape/Articles/Newsweek_FailingApple/FailingApple.HTML
What I don't understand is why you feel so strongly against Dvorak that you troll someone's thread with nonsense.
What difference does it make to you if someone wants an option to use Dvorak on their iPhone? Are you upset that Apple put Dvorak as an option in Mac OS X? Are you upset that Microsoft put Dvorak as an option in Windows?
What's the big deal? If you don't care to have Dvorak as an option on the iPhone, then don't submit a request for it. You don't need to try to insult everyone who uses a different keyboard layout than you.
Don't you know?! Someone always has to come and rain on someone else's parade, even when it doesn't effect them in any way. At the moment, it is the good doctor here.
You're right, that doesn't make it better. Scientific research does though. If qwerty is fast and easy, then dvorak is faster and easier. This is also coming from a qwerty user. Just because I use it doesn't mean I have to think it's better.
LOL!
If Steve Jobs came out saying, "I would like to introduce the new iPhone [ ] featuring a dvorak keyboard" then well.....
FAIL.
The thing is that I agree with a lot of people on this thread that DVORAK is marginally better than QWERTY , it's just this debate has been going for a lot longer than many people realize
but nothing is going to change. The cost of retraining in dvorak/purchasing new keyboards/new software/new instructors does not outweight the small real life benefits of implementing DVORAK worldwide
I'm not insulting anyone, but you guys have to face reality that basically no ones care about DVORAK ( it was a losing battle from the start)
Like I said in my first post, good luck
Not necessarily. If it costs $100,000 for a company to retrain employees and everything else, but the employees' productivity increases by $10,000 a year. The transition will pay for itself in 10 years and after that, begin saving the company it otherwise would have spent.
It wont happen because unless you get people to learn it from a young age - before QWERTY, they'll take too long to type DVORAK. You'll end up losing a lot more money plus the 'retraining'.
People (even bosses) would be against it because now, everyone has a computer. They're almost all QWERTY.
Better than QWERTY is a completely NEW input method. Let's do away with keyboards
