Please, do not propagate the myth that serious research supports speed improvements with Dvorak. The only layout with reasonable data to support it is Colemak.
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Please, do not propagate the myth that serious research supports speed improvements with Dvorak. The only layout with reasonable data to support it is Colemak.
Good luck with your effort in getting Apple to add the DVORAK keyboard. I don't use it personally but why not add it for the people who do.
anyway if it doesn't get added you can always jailbreak your phone and add it through cydia with the iKeyEx extension. I just installed it in 1 min. The only problem i see with it is that the letters look like they are uppercase but they are not. You have to you the the shift key to make them capital letters.
anyway if it doesn't get added you can always jailbreak your phone and add it through cydia with the iKeyEx extension. I just installed it in 1 min. The only problem i see with it is that the letters look like they are uppercase but they are not. You have to you the the shift key to make them capital letters.
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Just submitted a request. Hope they add it
Same! Good luck. I probably should learn to use it as it seems faster.
I just found this great website
http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?
compares pretty much everything to everything else
colemak's relocation of backspace seems kinda interesting ( considering that I use my right ring finger for the backspace I could see how this would speed things up)
Actually come to think of it I never use my right pinky to type @_@
http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?
compares pretty much everything to everything else
colemak's relocation of backspace seems kinda interesting ( considering that I use my right ring finger for the backspace I could see how this would speed things up)
Actually come to think of it I never use my right pinky to type @_@
Of course, you have to learn and become proficient in dvorak first before its "faster and easier"
I'm going to support it. Saying Apple shouldn't support something that's used by less than 1% of the populace is like saying let's not write software for Mac or Linux, because so few people use it. Illogical.
Because the keyboard is virtual, it's not an overly demanding request to make.
I type in dvorak, and the differences i have noticed between dvorak and qwerty, is that qwerty has the fingers you use, bouncing between your right and left hands in between every letter you type. Dvorak has your fingers bouncing between your left and right hand after every 2 letters(not in every case, but more often than not).
This being said, Dvorak has proven to be easier for me to type on a full sized keyboard, but more difficult on my iphone. I'm jailbroken, so after seeing this thread i downloaded the dvorak keyboard, and found it to be slower, due to the fact that your left thumb would hit 2 letters, followed by your right thumb hitting 2, and back and forth, and that is taxing on your overall speed.
Most importantly however, it's not my job as a consumer to decide what is best for people, some people might like dvorak on the iphone, it would certainly be nice to have that option without having to install 3rd party, non-supported software.
But all research aside, I like dvorak on my computer better
This being said, Dvorak has proven to be easier for me to type on a full sized keyboard, but more difficult on my iphone. I'm jailbroken, so after seeing this thread i downloaded the dvorak keyboard, and found it to be slower, due to the fact that your left thumb would hit 2 letters, followed by your right thumb hitting 2, and back and forth, and that is taxing on your overall speed.
Most importantly however, it's not my job as a consumer to decide what is best for people, some people might like dvorak on the iphone, it would certainly be nice to have that option without having to install 3rd party, non-supported software.
But all research aside, I like dvorak on my computer better
Regardless of what you are saying, you would think you'd support your claims with links(since you're arguing some are backed by evidence, while others are not)
Thanks to all who clicked the link in the OP and made a request.
Even if you do not use Dvorak, it would be nice of you to click the link in the OP and make a request.
Many people who suffer from Carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) and Repetitive strain injury (RSI) (aka Cumulative Trauma Disorder (CTD)) have switched over to using Dvorak since it requires far less finger travel than QWERTY. Please help these people by clicking the link in the OP and requesting that Apple include Dvorak in the upcoming iPhone 3.0 OS.
Thanks!
Even if you do not use Dvorak, it would be nice of you to click the link in the OP and make a request.
Many people who suffer from Carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) and Repetitive strain injury (RSI) (aka Cumulative Trauma Disorder (CTD)) have switched over to using Dvorak since it requires far less finger travel than QWERTY. Please help these people by clicking the link in the OP and requesting that Apple include Dvorak in the upcoming iPhone 3.0 OS.
Thanks!
I type in dvorak, and the differences i have noticed between dvorak and qwerty, is that qwerty has the fingers you use, bouncing between your right and left hands in between every letter you type. Dvorak has your fingers bouncing between your left and right hand after every 2 letters(not in every case, but more often than not).
This being said, Dvorak has proven to be easier for me to type on a full sized keyboard, but more difficult on my iphone. I'm jailbroken, so after seeing this thread i downloaded the dvorak keyboard, and found it to be slower, due to the fact that your left thumb would hit 2 letters, followed by your right thumb hitting 2, and back and forth, and that is taxing on your overall speed.
Most importantly however, it's not my job as a consumer to decide what is best for people, some people might like dvorak on the iphone, it would certainly be nice to have that option without having to install 3rd party, non-supported software.
But all research aside, I like dvorak on my computer better
According to Pulitzer Prize-winning author Jared Diamond, in his article "The Curse of Qwerty," he states:
"Another easily understood vice of the QWERTY keyboard has to do with alternation of hands. Whenever the left and right hands type alternate letters, one hand can be getting into position for the next letter while the other hand is typing the previous one. You can thereby fall into a steady rhythm and type quickly. In reality, though, even a good typist’s speed is seldom steadily maintained. It repeatedly shifts between fast bursts and slow stutters within even a few seconds, and many of the stutters arise from strings of consecutive letters typed by the same hand. The longer the string, the slower the typing rate and the more frequent the errors.
Yet QWERTY typing tends to degenerate into long one-handed strings of letters, especially strings for the weak left hand. More than 3,000 English words utilize QWERTY’s left hand alone, and about 300 the right hand alone. (Try typing exaggerated and greatest, then try million and monopoly). The underlying reason for this shortcoming is that most English syllables contain both vowels and consonants, but QWERTY assigns some vowels (A and E) as well as some common consonants (R, S, and D) to the left hand, and others (I, O, and U, plus H, L, and N) to the right hand. Hence, for about half of all digraphs (two consecutive letters) in a typical English text, QWERTY allocates both letters to the same hand.
The Dvorak keyboard instead forces you to alternate hands frequently. It does so by placing all vowels plus Y in the left hand, but the 13 most common consonants in the right. As a result, not a single word or even a single syllable can be typed with the right hand alone (no, grr isn’t a word), and only a few words can be typed with the left hand alone."
Source: http://www.geocities.com/malibu_malv/curse_qwerty.html
Thanks to all who clicked the link in the OP and made a request.
Even if you do not use Dvorak, it would be nice of you to click the link in the OP and make a request.
Many people who suffer from Carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) and Repetitive strain injury (RSI) (aka Cumulative Trauma Disorder (CTD)) have switched over to using Dvorak since it requires far less finger travel than QWERTY. Please help these people by clicking the link in the OP and requesting that Apple include Dvorak in the upcoming iPhone 3.0 OS.
Thanks!
Honestly I still think you are reaching
Dvorak is a 10 finger typing method, most people only type with one or at the most two fingers when they use their iPhone , they will have an equally "painful" time typing using either method.
I think typing speeds on the iPhone would benefit a lot more if we got a universal landscape keyboard first, we can worry about dvorak later.
For people too dense to realize the blatantly obvious, let me point out the blatantly obvious:
Is it really that difficult to realize that no one on this thread is requesting that Dvorak be the sole or default keyboard layout??? Is it really that difficult to realize that no one on this thread is requesting that QWERTY be eliminated???
We want Dvorak to be an option, just like the numerous keyboard layout options already included on every iPhone ever sold. Did Apple's inclusion of those numerous keyboard layout options on every iPhone somehow inconvenience you?
This thread is not about converting people to Dvorak. It's about requesting that Apple provide a same keyboard layout option on the iPhone that they already provide on all Macs. Why do some of you have a problem with that? Are you just trolling?
Did Apple's inclusion of Dvorak on every Mac OS version since 8.6 somehow inconvenience you?
Is it really that difficult to realize that no one on this thread is requesting that Dvorak be the sole or default keyboard layout??? Is it really that difficult to realize that no one on this thread is requesting that QWERTY be eliminated???
We want Dvorak to be an option, just like the numerous keyboard layout options already included on every iPhone ever sold. Did Apple's inclusion of those numerous keyboard layout options on every iPhone somehow inconvenience you?
This thread is not about converting people to Dvorak. It's about requesting that Apple provide a same keyboard layout option on the iPhone that they already provide on all Macs. Why do some of you have a problem with that? Are you just trolling?
Did Apple's inclusion of Dvorak on every Mac OS version since 8.6 somehow inconvenience you?
Wow someone isn't open to a friendly discussion I see
I would think apple has their priorities messed up if they implement dvorak as an option before they implement a universal landscape keyboard
I'm not against different keyboard layouts, I just don't see it as something that a lot of people are intererested in.
The increase in productivity/typing speed/accuracy of a universal QWERTY keyboard would far outweigh a portrait DVORAK keyboard.
Let me state it one more time
I'm not against an optional DVORAK keyboard layout, I just don't think it's that much of a "dealbreaker" since 100% of DVORAK users also know how to use QWERTY.
What I'd prefer seeing is "Fitaly" which was a keyboard for the Palm that was designed around typing with a single stylus or in this case, finger. Second to that would be Dvorak.
if it was that big of a deal to use Dvorak, they would jailbreak.
don't bother - 'sum PPL dunt reMeMBER hao to USe QWERTY' remember?
Um, what?
Your solution to a desire to have something built in is to just jailbreak?
I think he has a point
let's put it this way
More people have jailbroken phones
than those who want Dvorak on the iPhone
(though obviously not the same set of people)
Thanks to all who clicked the link in the OP and made a request.
Even if you do not use Dvorak, it would be nice of you to click the link in the OP and make a request.
Many people who suffer from Carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) and Repetitive strain injury (RSI) (aka Cumulative Trauma Disorder (CTD)) have switched over to using Dvorak since it requires far less finger travel than QWERTY. Please help these people by clicking the link in the OP and requesting that Apple include Dvorak in the upcoming iPhone 3.0 OS.
Thanks!
but this isnt a full size keyboard, finger travel is minimal.
It would be much easier, however, for those that already use dvorak to have such a format available on the iPhone OS. Switching between qwerty and dvorak is difficult on a constant basis. I can't imagine that most of you replying to this use azerty, but it's on the OS as well. You probably wouldn't even notice if dvorak was added. Just because you don't use something doesn't make it useless for everyone.
Also, 3.0 has universal landscape across the all the Apple apps like Mail and SMS (now Messages).
I am just starting to learn Dvorak today just to find out that iPhone is the only thing that doesn't support it, I kind of took it for granted since it already have keyboard layout for nearly every language out there just to find out it is not there!!
I mean, the whole point iPhone uses touch keyboard is that you are not stuck with a button keyboard, it easily gets improved stuff over time... alright dvorak maybe the minority or whatever low percentage, so I wouldn't blame them for not including it when the iPhone came out; but we are reaching 3.0 now... I mean come on, get on with the time please!!
Oh I think most people forget that the iPhone keyboard does typo correction for you, it is often on the iPhone that you mistype by press the key beside it, especially when you are typing fast, and the correction relies on the keyboard layout you use of course... so the typo correction thing needs to be specifically made for each layout, should Apple decide to implement it, it won't be just a 10 minute job; but they did do it for how ever many languages build in to the iPhone anyway, so I still don't think it would be that much work for Apple.
I mean, the whole point iPhone uses touch keyboard is that you are not stuck with a button keyboard, it easily gets improved stuff over time... alright dvorak maybe the minority or whatever low percentage, so I wouldn't blame them for not including it when the iPhone came out; but we are reaching 3.0 now... I mean come on, get on with the time please!!
Oh I think most people forget that the iPhone keyboard does typo correction for you, it is often on the iPhone that you mistype by press the key beside it, especially when you are typing fast, and the correction relies on the keyboard layout you use of course... so the typo correction thing needs to be specifically made for each layout, should Apple decide to implement it, it won't be just a 10 minute job; but they did do it for how ever many languages build in to the iPhone anyway, so I still don't think it would be that much work for Apple.