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Another year ticks past, and for the first time in forever I long for neither a new MBP nor iPhone.

2015 MBP + SE = happiness for at least another year.

Now, if Apple slaps 32 GB RAM in a MBP, or an OLED or a stbilized camera in a revised SE form, we could talk. But instead we get touch bars, glass backs, and ridiculous face scanners.

Same maxed out Late 2013 15inch MBP + iPhone 7 + iPad Air 2. I never got a single tingle to upgrade anything.

I only purchased the 7 two months ago because the LTE radio in my 6 died one day. My MBP will probably get a 1TB M.2 upgrade now that is will support 3rd party M2 drives with High Sierra. (Samsung 960). With 16gigs of RAM, i7 and a Geforce 750m it is still the best Mac I have every used. If Apple does not improve the keyboards on the current MBP's I will probably move to a ThinkPad :( for my next purchase.
 
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So how would you re-design it? Tall and skinny iPhone 5? Tall and skinny iPhone 4/4s? The reality is that there aren't many more options to completely revolutionize phone design. They all look the same, except for a few gimmicks like snap on accessories or a power button on the back.

Butting in here, but for starters, they could have shaved away some of the top and bottom bezel area. I think people would have really liked that. I know I would.
 
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This whole thread sounds like a sales pitch.

All I see is a four year old design with a glass back from a seven year old design.

Granted the electronics and materials are updated, but the rest is the same old same old. And it's heavier as if that's a good thing? Creative and innovative ideas have left the building. No thanks. I'll stay with my 7 plus.

I have to ask at what point is there a diminishing return on faster chips, better screen? I think the screen on the iPhone has looked great since the 5. How many more millions of colors the human eye can't see do we need to see? How much faster does the phone have to be to play a few games, text, and look at Facebook?

I am really beginning to feel the focus on iPhone is no longer about design and innovation. The market seems to have moved on to who has the latest chips and the greatest gimmicks.

Unfortunately Apple is late to the game with wireless charging and oLED displays. But at least they have the fastest chips. Thats just great. Good for them.
 
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This whole thread sounds like a sales pitch.

All I see is a four year old design with a glass back from a seven year old design.

Granted the electronics and materials are updated, but the rest is the same old same old. And it's heavier as if that's a good thing? Creative and innovative ideas have left the building. No thanks. I'll stay with my 7 plus.

I have to ask at what point is there a diminishing return on faster chips, better screen? I think the screen on the iPhone has looked great since the 5. How many more millions of colors the human eye can't see do we need to see? How much faster does the phone have to be to play a few games, text, and look at Facebook?

I am really beginning to feel the focus on iPhone is no longer about design and innovation. The market seems to have moved on to who has the latest chips and the greatest gimmicks.

Unfortunately Apple is late to the game with wireless charging and oLED displays. But at least they have the fastest chips. Thats just great. Good for them.


"I have to ask at what point is there a diminishing return on faster chips, better screen?"

Agreed. But that applies to all vendors, not just Apple. For me personally I am past that point. Smartphones are like microwave ovens at this point to me and most people. The are devices that do a specific set of things, no more no less. They are common place devices and most mid range devices would suffice for 95% of the user base. The WOW is for the most part gone. In 2 years cheap Android phones will have HDR screens. I do not believe there is much left in this form factor. It will be a bunch of minor enhancement until the next form factor change happens.
 
This whole thread sounds like a sales pitch.

All I see is a four year old design with a glass back from a seven year old design.

Granted the electronics and materials are updated, but the rest is the same old same old. And it's heavier as if that's a good thing? Creative and innovative ideas have left the building. No thanks. I'll stay with my 7 plus.

I have to ask at what point is there a diminishing return on faster chips, better screen? I think the screen on the iPhone has looked great since the 5. How many more millions of colors the human eye can't see do we need to see? How much faster does the phone have to be to play a few games, text, and look at Facebook?

I am really beginning to feel the focus on iPhone is no longer about design and innovation. The market seems to have moved on to who has the latest chips and the greatest gimmicks.

Unfortunately Apple is late to the game with wireless charging and oLED displays. But at least they have the fastest chips. Thats just great. Good for them.

I'm passing on the new models after considering my "wants" vs "needs". Spending a thousand dollars for a new phone which doesn't offer me the differences my first iPhone (4S) did over a BB Curve seems a bit crazy. I'll stick with my trusty old 6 Plus until the battery won't hold enough charge.
 
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"I have to ask at what point is there a diminishing return on faster chips, better screen?"

Agreed. But that applies to all vendors, not just Apple. For me personally I am past that point. Smartphones are like microwave ovens at this point to me and most people. The are devices that do a specific set of things, no more no less. They are common place devices and most mid range devices would suffice for 95% of the user base. The WOW is for the most part gone. In 2 years cheap Android phones will have HDR screens. I do not believe there is much left in this form factor. It will a bunch of minor enhancement until the next form factor change happens.

Like the microwave analogy. When I read about the latest and greatest phone, and how it can do this or that, and then I see gaggles of people walking around with an $800 phone sticking out of their back pocket and occasionally reaching for it to check a text, email, or Facebook, it kind of makes me think at what point is it just a device? How much better can it or should it be?
 
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Not impossible, but it depends on you and your lifestyle. If you're easily distracted or have distracting influences in your life, it's easy to knock one off a table. I never worried about cases until I had an infant in my life. The infant learned to walk and I set my phone down to keep him from going somewhere dangerous. He got back to my phone before I did and before I knew it, he had thrown it off a second floor balcony.

Some people have the presence of mind to secure their phones before trying to save a child from danger (priorities, right?), but I'm not one of them. When I upgraded to an iPhone 6+, I purchased AppleCare, and I made sure to get a case for it.

Now there are four of the little ones running around. I don't think I'll be going caseless.

Oh, I get AppleCare for all my mobile devices, definitely. If nothing else, it helps give a nice peace of mind. :cool:

Having raised 5 kids, I’m fully aware of the risks of grabby little hands and how fast they move! Maybe it became subconscious for me, but I never leave my phone sitting on a table anyway. It’s either in my hand, in my pocket, or plugged into a charger at my desk that has no real access to anyone other than me.
 
Amazing how much design affects the perception of the phone. I saw someone complain on Facebook that iPhone X got all the new tech and the iPhone 8 was full of 3 year old tech.
 
Amazing how much design affects the perception of the phone. I saw someone complain on Facebook that iPhone X got all the new tech and the iPhone 8 was full of 3 year old tech.

Some only care about looks. Others care about the tech or appreciate how Apple combines software/hardware. That's fine because some of that is on Apple for pushing specs don't matter. If it was "just" an oled screen on iphone X (and at that price), I probably wouldn't bite. But I'm interested to see what their focus on AR, the front sensors, and face ID have in store for us and what some devs can do with it. Seriously, some of it looks pretty cool and only Apple is capable of this kind of stuff for now.

The 8 is more of a solid S update which is fine. If not for the X, I'd probably have an iphone 8 plus right now to replace my 7 plus. This year it just happens to be positioned as mid tier.
 
God I bet it’s good. I miss the glass back from my iPhone 4s. The 8 truly looks like the final evolution of the 6 design. Really love how it looks. As for the true tone display, I bet it’s great on a phone. It was such a huge improvement on my iPad that I want all my devices with this tech now.
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The first 3 iPhones 2007/2008/2009 were the same design.

2010/2011/2012/2013 practically the same design actually. Just the 5/5s stretched.
The first 2 iPhones were radically different to the rest. At a pinch it’s similar to the 3G one.
 
This article and thread is a case study in confirmation bias. It's fascinating to see.
 
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