Early Final Cut Pro X Response Mixed, Updates Coming

[iBug2]

For now, yes. Until the next update hits and they remove a feature that one person shop relies upon. My point was less about the presence or absence of this or that feature and more about the fact that Apple clearly either do not understand or do not care about the needs of people who want to use their software to make a living, and therefore cannot be trusted with a platform you want to earn your living from.

Not at all. There are more people who make a living out of this and with this new release will make a living out of this, than people who can't use this. Prosumer market is larger.

Not to mention, I don't think Apple is going to remove features, they'll only add some which were missing from this release to begin with.

I never said it would re-appear in Lion I said in a post-Lion release, in other words a FCX update AFTER LION HAS BEEN RELEASED.

Jesus Toe Tapping Christ, do you have difficulties reading English or something?

No, you have difficulties writing one though. What you wrote did not indicate a FCP X update to be released after Lion. You just said after Lion.

Then don't bloody buy it! move to Adobe Premier if you so desperately find that FCX is so appallingly bad it has resulted in your cat dying, your car failing to start and the roof on your house to collapse!

I'm not an editor, I'm not gonna buy it nor am I gonna buy any of the other NLE apps. And you responded to the wrong sentence btw. You should read the entire post and who that post was replied to to get the context of what I wrote.

Conan O'Brien takes a closer look at Final Cut Pro X http://bit.ly/kXjbtn

LMAO that was hilarious. )))

Especially the out of sync part

 

[Macingmusic]

FC X could have been released in december of this year and maybe this wouldn't have happened...maybe.... but its apple we are talking about here, they know what they need to do, and we can expect them to meet the expectations of there PRO app... Give it time Ladies and gentlemen

In the mean time get use to the new Final Cut suite and try to be creative with the tools you have... remember Mac users are creative and innovative... we aren't PC whiners

While I think I mentioned already that nearly 5+ year ago I posted the New final cut looked more like iMovie but with much more depth. Ala FCP. I remember a release came out and thought, oh this guy was full
Of it. Then I remembered himmsaying when it first comes out, it won't have all the bells and whistles of FCP but in time the goal was to make it just as deep, but get people to learn basic editing, but deeper than iMovie, easier to use, he said much, or very much easier and that many would be pleased with the instant translations, fx, and so on but he did stress it would become very deep again, eg, multicam. Going to go find this article. I guess there are a lot of workarounds. Just a different way to make something happen.

I'm also calling that cable and perhaps TV as we know it will fall in the next 5-10 years as we get to even faster speeds and many like itube but more like channels, start popping up. And the net is where people go to watch tv. Brb with link to work arounds.

Okay, here it is. It talks about how Apple IS going to address all these complaints while at the same tome giving you work arounds. A friend of mine was the foley manager for "No Country For Old Men" shot and edited 100% on FCP so
I don't think they're going to drop the ball. Not when they are giving away copies of TGE last FCP to all the studios only to release a prosumer product. Thrive invested way to
Much time against Avid and inexpert Logic is really going to place even more pressure on Pro tools. Just a year ago you had a very small number of tracks (even though tape based, 2" is still
Used for guitars and vocals and went to 24 analog, 48 digital or 48 analog if 2 machines were slaves. You had surround, limited fx busses et- cetera. But imthink Logic with it's reduced price, now smart
Insruments on iPad willmshow up
On logic only deeper and who
Knows, maybe some type of arranger?

I think Apple really is going to be huge in the next 5 more years that they Are really going to have their feet in everything.

The link for FCP workarounds:
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/professional-video-editors-weigh-in-on-final-cut-pro-x/

 

[iBug2]

The link for FCP workarounds:
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/professional-video-editors-weigh-in-on-final-cut-pro-x/

After reading this I can't believe how many pro editors confused what's really missing to what's changed. Half of the issues people brought up weren't issues to begin with, if what it says in this article is true.

The other half still stands though.

 

[Benedict]

I don't understand why everyone is complaining so much. You still have fcp 7 so it's not as if your work flow is effected . If you bought it without checking the facts then the only person to blame is yourself.

Either way, in time apple will address these gaps.

I lol at the mugs who buy **** without actually checking the feature set.

 

[JabbaII]

After reading this I can't believe how many pro editors confused what's really missing to what's changed. Half of the issues people brought up weren't issues to begin with, if what it says in this article is true.

The other half still stands though.

You should read the comments ... there are some really angry people

 

[handsome pete]

I don't understand why everyone is complaining so much. You still have fcp 7 so it's not as if your work flow is effected . If you bought it without checking the facts then the only person to blame is yourself.

Either way, in time apple will address these gaps.

I lol at the mugs who buy **** without actually checking the feature set.

It's not that simple, and if you paid attention to what a lot of the complaints are you'd understand it. No one's immediate workflow is affected. It's the uncertainty going forward and the impression that some of these omissions will never be addressed at issue.

For example, we're making major upgrades to our edit suites in the coming months. Some of the work has already been started. New machines, new shared storage solutions, decks, monitors, etc. One of the things at issue now is the 2 FCP seats we are adding. I know more later on today, but that's in limbo right now. I don't know if our vendor already had copies of FCP7 in hand for our order. If they don't, we're going to have to find them somewhere. FCPX is not an option. If we can't obtain those 2 licenses, then we'll have to look to moving those systems to Premiere or Avid. And that will likely shift our direction across all systems.

After reading this I can't believe how many pro editors confused what's really missing to what's changed. Half of the issues people brought up weren't issues to begin with, if what it says in this article is true.

The other half still stands though.

He really only addressed a sample of the major complaints out there. I'll admit that there's a lot of knee jerk reactions coming from those who just haven't figured out things yet. But there's still a lot of misinformation in his article.

His stopgap solution for multicam is a joke. It doesn't replace multicam editing at all.

Yes, you can share projects. Though this is not ideal either. FCPX as it currently stands is designed primarily for one system use.

He mentions that you can do OMF export through the Automatic Duck utility. For some reason he only quotes the upgrade price of $200 and not the new price of $500. That's bad journalism. For some reason he also mentioned that you could never export OMFs from Final Cut. I see that he's edited that since that wasn't true.

As for his RED codec argument, he says "you can set your RED camera to shoot and capture video in the QuickTime format." Well that's news to RED camera owners.

He also seems to think that mirroring your desktop on an external monitor is the same as exporting a broadcast signal. That's not a solution.

He gets some things right, but he is still wildly uninformed.

 

[Benedict]

Thank your explanation handsome Pete. As you mention there are a lot of knee jerk reactions which is what I should have stated my comments were aimed at. I wish you well and I hope your issue is resolved soon.

 

[faustfire]

I'm not an editor, I'm not gonna buy it nor am I gonna buy any of the other NLE apps.

You have no horse in this race...I have to wonder, why are you spending all week at the track?

 

[mactree]

The bottom line for me is this, I realize that it was my mistake for trusting apple that what I was buying would do what I needed it to do. But no trial version? no public statements about what was missing or incomplete? Using the same name, 'Final Cut Pro'? They are savvy enough in the business to know they could count on making a lot more money by using these tactics to sting the early adopters.

I'm more then happy to take the blame for my $300 mistake. I actually never buy something without doing the proper research... the exception was always with Apple.

 

[petroff]

Big Mistake

I strongly believe that this release, is one of the worse, by Apple period.

Apple says that one needs to rethink the way NLE's work, well that sort of thinking makes the assumption that people will want to rethink their workflow. That's a bold move but it's not without risks, because turns out people sometimes feel this is not right, necessary, better or more efficient i.e there isn't any leverage in doing so, so they leave the "rethinking" to the developer and head on to the tools they know they get the job done.

An analogy would be Bill Gate's Tablet PC, it wasn't properly made or released and no matter how many flags these guys waved the world simply turned their head away.

I think this time Apple is simply committing the same mistakes other big companies have made in the past which is, assuming too much.

My view is that that this product is improperly placed, who's gonna use it? Professionals? Not like this, not without Log And Capture, XML import, PSD support, proper audio support, SDI proper broadcast output and OMF export, multiple timelines, not without a proper in-out tool.
iMovie users? Well they have iMovie, why go anywhere else? Who's it for?

I like (No I love them) the performance enhancements and I like bits and pieces here and there. But this release is a mistake as it stands.

 

[Reach]

It's somewhat funny that AppleInsider wrote that Apple was shifting it's focus (towards prosumers) with FCP over a year ago: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/18/apple_scaling_final_cut_studio_apps_to_fit_prosumers.html This is from the article dated May 18, 2010:

Apple's Final Cut Studio suite of video post production apps is getting a significant makeover to better target the software to the mainstream of Apple's customer base rather than high end professionals.

According to a person with knowledge of Apple's internal Pro Apps plans, the company has shuffled around management within the Final Cut team in order to retarget its efforts to more closely match the needs of the majority of its customers. Apple's Mac customer base has steadily shifted from desktop models to notebooks, while also broadening out from a high end creative niche to a wider installed base that includes more prosumer and advanced home users.

[...]

The Final Cut Pro team has since been put back under the direction of Ubillos, according to information AppleInsider has obtained, with the aim of similarly improving Final Cut Studio and making it more appealing and useful to the needs of prosumers. Currently, Final Cut Pro is targeted at advanced professionals with a scaled down, less expensive Final Cut Express version sold to users who don't need all of its high end features. Because Apple now primarily sells the Express version, the company wants to rethink Final Cut Studio and scale its overall development to better fit the majority of its customers.

Even funnier is that Apple denied that report within hours...

 

[cube]

So, there are finally no plans to support opening FCP7 projects in FCPX ??

What does this say about relying on Apple software for ANYTHING?

 

[maclaptop]

It's very interesting to see people that have the guts stand up to Apple and essentially tell them to shove it.

Dumbing down this software package was a very stupid move.

Now it seems that Apple will pull one of their famous (tail between their legs) "silent" moves and work to get this package back on track.

And to think they were silly enough to think they could pull a fast one.

 

[noggin2000]

I don't understand why everyone is complaining so much. You still have fcp 7 so it's not as if your work flow is effected . If you bought it without checking the facts then the only person to blame is yourself.

Either way, in time apple will address these gaps.

I lol at the mugs who buy **** without actually checking the feature set.

You're missing the point. What if you don't currently own FCP 7? (Or enough FCP 7 licences).

You WON'T "still have FCP 7". You can only buy FCP X. Which doesn't work for many applications that FCP 7 does. (FCP X it won't work in many broadcast areas that FCP 7 works just fine)

As of today - what do Apple think you should do? They can't sell you a product that solved problems that their previous product solved, and they won't sell you their previous product.

Either you wait for FCP X to mature (hoping it will) and don't buy anything (err - how's that going to work if you're building a new broadcast facility?) - or you switch to another platform. Apple simply can't behave like this in the high-end pro arena. You can't pull a widely used, mainstream product, replacing it with a feature-lite version, and expect people to wait for the features to come back.

If I'm buying an edit suite today, I want an edit suite today, not the promise of one at some indeterminite time in the future.

Switching platforms is NOT something you do frequently at the broadcast level - it's a 3-5 year minimum that you'll stick with your set-ups if not significantly longer than that.

If Apple don't address THIS soon - they're going to find a lot of broadcast and post customers switching platforms VERY quickly. The broadcast and post users will have no option.

As of today, if you want a full capable broadcast and post platform, you can't buy it from Apple. They have to start selling FCS/FCP7 and announce a clear roadmap for FCP X - stating what will and wont' be added back. And they need to do it VERY quickly.

 

[scottsjack]

All the pissed off people who want Apple to support their kraft need to get over it and move on. FCP X is and will be not be a tool for working professionals any more than Aperture 3 is. Sure they can both be used in a professional setting but mainly as an alternate or one of those "other tools" besides the Adobe stuff (or whatever) that gets the real job done.

Apple is all about cool, easy to use prosumerware and tiny iToys designed to funnel money into Apple. The serious professionals are going to have to use seriously professional equipment. An individual might prefer to work on a Mac Pro with Mac OS but it's going to be the HP workstation and Windows 7 that gets the job done. Whether the situation is good or bad it's just the way it is.

 

[petroff]

FCP X is and will be not be a tool for working professionals any more than Aperture 3 is.

What the hell has Aperture to do, with Final Cut Pro? FCP has a long history of professional usage amongst DIY filmakers, production houses and big studios!

Whether the situation is good or bad it's just the way it is.

While in general I do prefer realism vs complaining, I do feel that this time Apple needs to hear and know that this release wasn't proper or justified as it went out. It's not like the rear camera of an iphone doesn't have enough megapixels to snatch a holiday moment. It's important.

 

[LethalWolfe]

After reading this I can't believe how many pro editors confused what's really missing to what's changed. Half of the issues people brought up weren't issues to begin with, if what it says in this article is true.

The other half still stands though.

After reading that you need to read Richard Harrington's response. All the good things in FCP X, and there are a number of good things, aren't enough to overcome the left out things for many common workflows. It's like having a great car that has a poorly designed radiator. It doesn't matter how big the engine is, how nice the interior is or how good the stereo sounds if the engine overheats constantly because of the ineffectual radiator. That one fault can potentially out weigh all the good points of the vehicle.


Lethal

 

[yoak]

You have no horse in this race...I have to wonder, why are you spending all week at the track?

One of the best posts of this thread, thanks for putting it straight

 

[acearchie]

What the hell has Aperture to do, with Final Cut Pro? FCP has a long history of professional usage amongst DIY filmakers, production houses and big studios!

Final Cut has been built using some code or a similar start as Aperture 3.

Aperture 3 was also touted, not anyway near as much as FCP X, as being the iPhoto Pro and appealing more to Prosumers/consumers and not to the professionals.

 

[petroff]

Final Cut has been built using some code or a similar start as Aperture 3.

So? You're comparing an application with a totally different history, enormously different usage and different name! Remember Final Cut is still called "Pro" it's not called express, or lite or mini or anything like that.

Aperture 3 was also touted, not anyway near as much as FCP X, as being the iPhoto Pro and appealing more to Prosumers/consumers and not to the professionals.

Aperture has had a successful run as a photo editing program and still does, it has nowhere near fueled discussion in the media world regarding its functionality or features in this scale. Please, Aperture has nothing to do with FCP in any shape or form.

 

[LoganT]

Daniel Jalkut: Final Cut Pro X review: Apple will happily piss off 5,000 professionals to please 5,000,000 amateurs.

https://twitter.com/#!/danielpunkass/status/84362588393181184

 

[lilo777]

Daniel Jalkut: Final Cut Pro X review: Apple will happily piss off 5,000 professionals to please 5,000,000 amateurs.

https://twitter.com/#!/danielpunkass/status/84362588393181184

Perhaps that's what they tried to do but I am not sure that this will be the result. FCPX is still too complicated for a casual video editing. So, the true amateurs are not going to use it. Pros will not use it either. Then who will? Perhaps some people will find it suitable for their needs but the problem is that the market will be limited. So, the tool will bring Apple neither profits nor halo effect. Who will need Mac Pros then?

 

[petroff]

Nah, they'll probably get their profits alright, there's millions of knee-jerk buyers out there...Maybe in the long run they'll lose people no one knows...Meanwhile the professional world would be already on other solutions, they wait on no one.

 

[sigamy]

Perhaps that's what they tried to do but I am not sure that this will be the result. FCPX is still too complicated for a casual video editing. So, the true amateurs are not going to use it. Pros will not use it either. Then who will? Perhaps some people will find it suitable for their needs but the problem is that the market will be limited. So, the tool will bring Apple neither profits nor halo effect. Who will need Mac Pros then?

Depends on how you define amateurs...

I doubt the number is 5,000,000 but there are many people now shooting short films, corporate and wedding video on dSLRs and/or the new breed of AVCHD cams. These guys and gals are typically one person shops. They are going to love FCP X.

 

[kingtj]

Bleah.....

At this point, all I can really say is -- some of these stuck-up, "whole world revolves around ME" pro video editors/producers will hopefully walk right out that open door, and maybe Apple will even slam it shut on their rears on the way out.

If I was in charge of Apple, I would have kicked a lot of them to the curb long ago, quite frankly. These are some of the same people who'd show up at a local Apple store bitching and moaning about a single stuck pixel on a Cinema display and proceed to do as many as 5 or 6 exchanges in a row, demanding a "flawless" one, etc. etc.

Fact is, there are companies out there that truly cater to niche markets like these. Some of them made 3rd. party add-on products for Macs, even. (You can get those super accurate, flawless displays made for color matching from several companies, but they all cost 2x - 3x as much as an Apple Cinema display.) Others, like "Red", are doing a great job selling high-end cameras for movie-making at price-points reaching new lows for what they offer and do. But really, Apple has *always* designed relatively high-end products for discerning consumers ... not niche products with "extreme" specs needed for specific fields. (I have yet to see Apple release a single "waterproof" product for example, or a "military spec" one. They don't even so much as make a rack mountable server anymore!)

So getting all worked up about Apple re-thinking Final Cut as a "one app fits all" application, and one that jettisons some "legacy" support for tape and such? Pointless.... Never mind this is a BRAND new release, being offered at a FAR less expensive price than ever before, and that some of the missing features were already promised as "in the works for future updates". The key here is, you're getting an AWESOME video editing product for your dollar with FCP X and it will usher in a whole new group of users who transition from amateurs to semi-pros or even pros.

The people trying to threaten Apple with statements like, "They need to outline a detailed roadmap for us QUICKLY!" are laughable. Apple does not CARE what you demand they do. They've got a plan in place and as always, are not interested in sharing very much of it in advance with other people. Either you place some trust in them and follow the path they're putting out in front of you, or you don't. If you don't, do everyone else a favor and sell off your Mac gear and buy whatever you're so sure is going to solve your problems (Windows 7 and an HP, perhaps?).

I know I really like what I see with FCP X because with previous versions, I felt like I had a product that was overly difficult to work with -- despite needing some of the power it offered that wasn't there in lesser alternatives. Now they're putting the "meat and potatoes" of it behind a much more user-friendly front-end and haven't really eliminated any features that would ever affect me. And you know what? I'm pretty sure that all in all, Apple makes just as much money having me as a customer of theirs as they do from the arrogant "I'm a PRO" customers out there. Those people spend a lot of $'s on things, obviously, but most of that goes to other companies besides Apple anyway.

All the pissed off people who want Apple to support their kraft need to get over it and move on. FCP X is and will be not be a tool for working professionals any more than Aperture 3 is. Sure they can both be used in a professional setting but mainly as an alternate or one of those "other tools" besides the Adobe stuff (or whatever) that gets the real job done.

Apple is all about cool, easy to use prosumerware and tiny iToys designed to funnel money into Apple. The serious professionals are going to have to use seriously professional equipment. An individual might prefer to work on a Mac Pro with Mac OS but it's going to be the HP workstation and Windows 7 that gets the job done. Whether the situation is good or bad it's just the way it is.