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Well these new MacBooks can't get much slimmer but I do see them getting cheaper over time. Maybe the future of MacBooks will be once they max out what goes in them, screen, thickness and such they will be practically unupgradable and once they are so they will get cheaper and cheaper so that 2k will buy the top of the line non upgradable model that costs 3k today.

Hey, maybe they'll make them out of biodegradable cardboard!

They won't get cheaper. The technology eliminates that. They've reached their fracture point in a stress/strain chart where it's time for this obsession to bragging about ultraslim laptops is done.

We won't be seing 30picometer fab processing any time soon and even if we did they'd just cram more ICs on there and keep the CPU the same size, but instead of 14/22W or whatever it may get down to 5W. Whoopee!

Meanwhile, they continue to put in middle tier GPUs or just plain junk from Intel, neither of which are Pro quality. They should stop calling it a Pro, just because it has Retina. That is a gimmick and one that won't work in 12 months when every other laptop vendor has gone to it.
 
Not really. See, I've been using my iPad as a glorified netbook, rather than, to abuse an old phrase, media consumption device. It's been a long fight, but I've actually succeeded in getting it to do all the things I want it to do (jailbreaking really helped out here).....

I do understand this completely, since different users have different needs. I've owned a number of Apple laptops over the years; I knew why I wanted an iPad. It's in a portfolio case, a "notebook" that looks and weighs the same as one, and which I often use like one, with a stylus. It's a tablet that I can plug into the projector in the classroom or read curled up on the couch.

But a tablet is not the best choice for content creation. I have an iMac at home, where I do most of my writing. My college students, if they can only have one machine, will always choose a laptop. They prefer smartphones as their small devices. Apple pushes the iPad heavily as a K-12 device, but it knows that most college students are in the Macbook target.
 
Dont care much about retina on the laptop, just a decent graphics card in the 13" so I can run diablo 3. :mad:
 
Seriously? Not being snarky here, just really surprised. It's night and day difference to my eyes.

The 'blocky' text on my iPad2 is hands down the thing I dislike most having being spoiled on an iPhone 4.

Call me crazy, but I really couldn't tell much of a difference between the new iPad and the iPad 2's displays either. I've looked various times at various places and still...I can't seem to tell much of a difference. I thought it might've just been me!
 
I wasn't trying to be tricky. Word and excel works fine in my case - there are power users of these applications. Yes, you don't need a lot of processing power for these, but if you're doing both you need screen real estate. Most actual professionals use word with another application and want two applications side by side, and goodness forbid, a readable page on their laptop. For that specific purpose, actual "professionals" are not served by the MBP. In fact they are not served by any of Apples lines .

Now you're thinking pure horsepower of the chip and video card somehow are "professional" specs, ignoring the importance of display resolution. This is of course ironic given that most creatives and gamers aren't technically "licensed professionals" and you see MBPs mostly with college kids and under 30s.

So in that sense your car comparison is confused - the MBP is the Ferrari. It has a big engine, all the creature comforts, too much weight and the rich kids buy them. Apple actually sells nothing for F1 drivers (thin, light and optimized for applications used by professionals).

I believe our interpretations of computer professional are different, I'm a licensed professional architect among other titles. A lawyer or doctor are licensed professionals but no computer professionals but they probably are power users of office.

You believe I'm disregarding screen real state when that is one of the most important aspects for my work, and only show that you know nothing about how complex are some software titles, the amount of information on screen, having to deal with many toolbars that contain dozens of functions, animation curves, textures etc. yeah, pure horsepower of CPU and GPU chips are essential to display and handle texels and polygons, but so is ram and hdd speed, and of course the quantity of pixels on the screen. The heavy lifting is done on render farms that dont even have screens or dedicated GPU's.

You may be thinking I'm a college student, under 30 and a gamer. I'm not, though I have worked on a few game titles.

Many professionals don't work with word and excel, we may open them once in a while. If you're one of the actual "professionals" that are not served by the MBP, or any computer in apples lineup, and need to see a word doc and excel side by side there are plenty of windows laptops with better height resolution than many macs and you get a pretty easy keyboard shortcut to do side by side in windows. and cheaper.

And I did say that driving a ferrari (Mac) doesn't make you an F1 driver (computer professional) so not confused, and thin and light are not that important for computer pros, just a convenience when on the go. Don't believe me? Look at the hordes of people in the Mac Pro forums asking for an updated machine.
 
No wow factor for me with these products.

Maybe I'm just spoiled by my iPad 3.

Im sitting this one out. I'll most likely just get an SSD upgrade for my current 15", which has cool features like a SuperDrive, Ethernet port, and FireWire.

I am inclined to agree. I'm very reluctant to spend a considerable amount of money for a machine where the most significant improvement is in the display that is already on my devices, especially when it requires peripherals and adapters to suit my needs. I'd want this display available in the entire lineup, not just the most expensive model.

Then again, there'll be good deals on older Macbook Pros, for those of us who were waiting until today to buy one!
 
Seriously? Not being snarky here, just really surprised. It's night and day difference to my eyes.

The 'blocky' text on my iPad2 is hands down the thing I dislike most having being spoiled on an iPhone 4.

Maybe it is my age :), but I was with an Apple person in the store, and we both looked at each page we navigated to (tried yahoo.com, apple.com and others). And, yes, there was hardly any difference. In the end she said the big difference is when you view pictures and we looked at the this picture which indeed showed more detail on ipad 3.

I have to agree with you though that the display on iphone 4 is great.
 
Call me crazy, but I really couldn't tell much of a difference between the new iPad and the iPad 2's displays either. I've looked various times at various places and still...I can't seem to tell much of a difference. I thought it might've just been me!

It's noticeable with text and with games, but I also agree that it's a minor difference. The biggest contribution of the iPad 3 was making the iPad2 more affordable :)
 
Maybe it is my age :), but I was with an Apple person in the store, and we both looked at each page we navigated to (tried yahoo.com, apple.com and others). And, yes, there was hardly any difference. In the end she said the big difference is when you view pictures and we looked at the this picture which indeed showed more detail on ipad 3.

It's noticeable with text and with games, but I also agree that it's a minor difference. The biggest contribution of the iPad 3 was making the iPad2 more affordable :)

And neither of you is wrong to point out that you couldn't see much of a difference.

For some of us, though, the difference is gargantuan. I personally could never go back to an iPad 2 or original iPad after using the 2048x1536 iPad. Text is so sharp, and that, for me, is the biggest difference.
 
I believe our interpretations of computer professional are different, I'm a licensed professional architect among other titles. A lawyer or doctor are licensed professionals but no computer professionals but they probably are power users of office.

Ha, I had my fingers crossed that you weren't a design engineer. But architect, you got me just as well.

We obviously have different "pro" definitions and so the car analogy is semantic.

On the rest I more or less agree with you...
there are plenty of windows laptops with better height resolution than many macs and you get a pretty easy keyboard shortcut to do side by side in windows. and cheaper.

This isn't a rebuttal - it is also my point. There's a big gap in the Apple line. Apple has the design, battery life and retina display in both it's high and low ends, yet doesn't hit premium users (I called them that vs. "pro" for you!) that need the aps,display and battery, but not all those horses.
 
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Anyone else noticed the pentalobe screws? That ought to piss off some upgraders. I may be wrong considering I don't have my MBP right in front of me, but I'm pretty sure the 2011's have regular phillips head screws in them.

Aye, they do. Mine still has a size 0 screwdriver tip stuck inside from when I upgraded the RAM.
 
Just been on The UK apple store and noticed that the base model is showing 256Gb SSD HD with no upgrade option to 512GB. Does this signify that the SSD is surface mounted.
 
some observations:
bluray is officially dead.
FW800 is officially dead too (at least on mbp)
i don't really get why they use a straight power cord.
i personally like the 90 degree one.
i don't really care for the eject key as a power button.
i hope it has some kind of click to it.
it would suck to accidentally turn it off.

questions:
does it still have the blue light when turned on/sleeping?
does anybody know if the HDD and RAM are user upgradable?
 
my heart says yes, wallet says yes, but wife says no...:mad:
That's what employers are for.
apple doesn't mention anything about the 13 inch ; is it coming soon or what!!!!!!!
Who cares? The 13" is for college kids. The only feature that matters is the apple on the lid.
Does anyone else think it's strange that this new MacBook has no MacBook Pro badge/title beneath the screen on the bezel unlike every other one on the market?
Um, who else sells Macbook Pros??
Meanwhile, they continue to put in middle tier GPUs or just plain junk from Intel, neither of which are Pro quality.
It's been years since any GPU failed to be of "Pro quality". The only inadequacies are in the minds (and pants) of gamer-kiddies.
They should stop calling it a Pro, just because it has Retina. That is a gimmick and one that won't work in 12 months when every other laptop vendor has gone to it.
Um, 4 cores? 16GM RAM? 4x the pixels? Robust enough that I won't snap it in half just by closing the lid? In 12 months the bulk of the rest of the laptop market will still be driven by cheap commodity units, which aren't going to sport 2880x1800 pixels. And even if they do, I'd still have a year of using a rockin' MBP.
Dont care much about retina on the laptop, just a decent graphics card in the 13" so I can run diablo 3.
Don't give up hope, there's always a chance that you'll lose your virginity by the time you reach 40.
and you see MBPs mostly with college kids and under 30s
Six admins in my group. All >35. Five of the six use 15" MBP's for our jobs. Most of our division, modulo the sales types, use MBP's too.
Anyone else noticed the pentalobe screws? That ought to piss off some upgraders.
BFD. Apple's been using those in other products for a while now. I had to buy a tiny screwdriver to open my MBP's memory cover, buying another oddball driver to crack into other products is no different. I'd much rather have *anything* over the stupidly-designed Philips head, engineered for failure, with a shape that encourages both driver slipping and stripping. Remember a few years ago when square recess screws were "exotic"?
FW800 is officially dead too (at least on mbp)
I have three external drives that disagree.
SDXC. Big difference.
card slot. Why?
The cameras that most people use take SD* cards. Their use in DSLR's is even working its way up the chain as they progressively become competitive with CF, though I favor CF's larger size and physical robustness. It surely costs Apple almost nothing to put it in there.
Just been on The UK apple store and noticed that the base model is showing 256Gb SSD HD with no upgrade option to 512GB. Does this signify that the SSD is surface mounted. [sic]
Maybe. I do wish there were a 512GB option with the base CPU, which would have fit within our purchasing guidelines, where the 512GB + 2.6 GHz costs just barely too much.
 
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Want the 15" MBP 2.6Ghz, but an additional $600 for an extra 256 GBs of space is out of this world. In hopes that the 256 GB SSD is removable...sell it, tack on some cash and get a 512 GB kit for it.

I'm a bit surprised Apple wasn't able to strike a deal to give the 2.3 Ghz half a TB of SSD.

I have been changing out my MBPs every year since 2008, but I'm having some real doubts about this one. I'll have to invest in upgrading the SSD to 512 GBs, get two MagSafe adapters, ethernet dongle and USB optical drive.

I'm really torn on this one...
 
Whimpy iMac progress

Very disappointed in the iMac update (lack thereof).

Seriously thinking about jumping ship to HP for the Z1 (all-in-one) workstation for a desktop unit.
It utilizes all the latest technology upgraded hardware and is likely a significantly better performer than the i7 CPU & chip-sets in the now aging iMac's in all respects as a standard unit and can be further improved with some added cost for multiple internal SSD storage, ultimate graphics, up to 64 GB DDR3 1600 RAM and optical Blu-ray burner. Oh, and by the way it has an amazing 2540 x 1440 (27") LCD backlit HD / 3D display. All for a price comparable to the high end 27" iMac.
 
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some observations:
i don't really care for the eject key as a power button.
i hope it has some kind of click to it.
it would suck to accidentally turn it off.

I've had the macbook air with this design for nearly a year now... I don't think I've accidentally done that even once. Its just kind of miniamilist, kind of Apple-like really. It's still pretty out of the way in the corner of the keyboard. I must say I really like the understated aesthetic of it.
 
If they were offering one, I'm sure they would have mentioned it.

I'm just guessing here, but I would say that the Intel HD4000 isn't powerful enough to drive a high resolution display and there isn't space for discrete graphics.

It's unfortunate too, because I was waiting for the 13" model as well.
though i wish they would've just made the new 13 in. MBP as thin as this with MBA pixels :(
 
I honestly don't need this MBP. I mean, the one I currently have does everything I need. Don't have no complains. But this machine just looks so beautiful that I just want to have it ! My machine is well taken care, looks like I just bought it yesterday so I feel little better lol :rolleyes:
 
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