I have exact same view for my music and don't miss the old one at all.
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Eddy Cue and Craig Federighi Discuss Bloated Software Accusations, Upcoming iTunes Plans
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While I disagree with you on some, you are entirely correct on others. Putting music onto iPhone can sometimes be literally infuriating with iTunes, and I have also thought the exact same thing.
you can still have the old list view - just switch to it!
Mossberg's point is twofold. The apps are both poorly designed and full of bugs. I've been a fan of Apple for decades. I used to use itunes, pages, you name it. Now I barely open them. I use Spotify, Word, OneDrive, Dropbox. There's very little holding me to the Apple ecosystem except inertia at this point.
Is enabling iCloud Music Library in iTunes still a death wish? Are people successfully using iCloud Music Library, iTunes Match, and a combination of digital and ripped purchases?
I think they should concentrate on the back end. Siri should be on the Mac, she should search, play, and do anything you want with iTunes. If you have a big music collection, backup should be automatic. Store and Control, that's the two apps. What iTunes is OS X Server. You can control, back up and show the configuration on each device that has access. I've tried other things to show my movies on the Apple TV, like VLC and Plex, and I find them irritating more than anything else. But that's freeware and open source and stuff, so it must be good. Not in my experience. VLC's interface stinks, and it's complicated to set up. It works three different ways, and you have to be a network engineer to set up. And it won't play a simple mp4 for me without weird artifacts. iTunes plays it great.
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Not for me. It never has been. But there are bugs. It would be good to back up all your music on some cloud or other. And I think the problems I've heard of get worse with really large collections, and if you have Music and all the services on.
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Not for me. It never has been. But there are bugs. It would be good to back up all your music on some cloud or other. And I think the problems I've heard of get worse with really large collections, and if you have Music and all the services on.
Yes, there is still a list view but it's not anywhere near the same thing as before. I don't mind change, but this was a big reduction in functionality.
No. All music services have to be in one place.
Just split it into the music part (1), the synchronisation part (2) and, if really necessary, an app with the movies and tv shows (3).
What is more, I have no clue why movies, apps and tv shows are in an app dedicated for MUSIC.
Over 500 movies, over 50 TV shows (7 TB).
But I consider anything over 200 GB a large library for iTunes. The reason is that noob iTunes users will typically store their iTunes library on their Mac by default. Most Macs today have SSD drives and they tend to be small capacity. iTunes music libraries are fine for local storage. Video is just too much for SSDs.
It's interesting how Forstall got railroaded because his skeumorphic design interfered with actual function. Yet here we are with Jony Ives "Wearable IPhone Accessory' where its biggest problem is that it was designed to look like a watch rather than designed to be functional.
In an alternate universe where Forstall stuck around then we'd likely have an Apple that was more focused on 'everything' than one that is obsessed with hardware aesthetics and profits.
Well, I guess we're not going to get any help from them. It doesn't sound like they 'get it'.
I have no intention of letting all of my music exist on the web or in iCould. Only a web App would make me say Goodby Apple. You can't possible think that my 45 days worth of paid for continuously listening CD quality music is going to exist on iCould without paying a fortune and risking losing it all.
Lets all hope they realize that they should be supporting different use cases.
1. All local music for the quality minded.
2. Web App for the mobile folks that just need portable background noise.
3. Streaming for the discovering new music (high and low quality)
4. App Store for those that want convenience over quality.
This would suck if you have a mixture of local and cloud based music, like a lot of people.
At least he could design UI unlike Jony
I couldn't agree more. The decline in quality of Apple's software in the past 3 years has been Palpable, to the point where I'm embarrassed to show Apple software to my friends. Seems like a hall mark of the new Apple - let's paper over with new features, but not protect or test the core functionality. Even simple window UI operations frequently fail. It goes without saying that most of the time Apple has layered a new UI on top of the old one, they largely break the old one, because secretly, they've deprecated the old one and probably don't even test it. I think Apple need to add teams of software guys that do nothing but keep quality testing the OLDER UIs on OLDER hardware and tell the new guys when they broke something.
I now think of Apple a lot like Microsoft in the sense of they write bloated, buggy software that isn't tested well and they just don't care. Where there's still a difference is that if something doesn't work on Microsoft software, you're simply screwed, but Apple tech support will spend 3 weeks with you until you at least have a work around.
But I think Steve Jobs would have brought the living hell down on these guys and fired them all. I've been using Macs since 2007, and it's REALLY obvious how bad the apps have gotten.
I now think of Apple a lot like Microsoft in the sense of they write bloated, buggy software that isn't tested well and they just don't care. Where there's still a difference is that if something doesn't work on Microsoft software, you're simply screwed, but Apple tech support will spend 3 weeks with you until you at least have a work around.
But I think Steve Jobs would have brought the living hell down on these guys and fired them all. I've been using Macs since 2007, and it's REALLY obvious how bad the apps have gotten.
If Forstall was still around, Apple's software quality would still be the envy of the industry.
Been using iTunes since I bought my first Apple product - an iPod Mini. It's just steadily gotten worse and worse with each version (I'm not against change, I really like the current versions of iOS and OSX).
Currently using iTunes on my Windows 10 gaming build.
4.6GHz i7-6700k
32GB DDR4 2400MHz
GTX 970
Samsung 850 Pro SSD.
And it's slow and sluggish! Literally one of the most powerful home systems you can have and iTunes is still painful to use.
It's just so bloated with a poorly thought out UI.
I just want to be able to play and sort my music files out, transfer any videos I might want to watch and backup my iPhone. The current version 11 (latest) of iTunes is the worst yet.
Currently using iTunes on my Windows 10 gaming build.
4.6GHz i7-6700k
32GB DDR4 2400MHz
GTX 970
Samsung 850 Pro SSD.
And it's slow and sluggish! Literally one of the most powerful home systems you can have and iTunes is still painful to use.
It's just so bloated with a poorly thought out UI.
I just want to be able to play and sort my music files out, transfer any videos I might want to watch and backup my iPhone. The current version 11 (latest) of iTunes is the worst yet.
if they do to iTunes what they did to iPhoto (the photos revamp) ill be the happiest camper alive.
This will *require* it to be split into multiple applications, music (with similar design language to iOS music and OS X photos, keeping all the advanced features of iTunes organization in tact), videos, podcasts, and finally a "sync" app or preferences pane for legacy device syncing for people who prefer to sync over the cable instead of the cloud
This will *require* it to be split into multiple applications, music (with similar design language to iOS music and OS X photos, keeping all the advanced features of iTunes organization in tact), videos, podcasts, and finally a "sync" app or preferences pane for legacy device syncing for people who prefer to sync over the cable instead of the cloud
Books and audio books in one app is absolute nonsense. I listen to audio books in the car. I can't read books while I'm driving.
iTunes has never been a particularly good example of designing for an effective UX. It has never provided useful sorting features for search results in the iTunes Store. It doesn't provide any way to collect search results of interest and compare them, etc etc. If the iTunes Store was a web site it would work a lot more usefully. There's just too much arrogance regarding how the store and one's own library are to be organized and navigated.
Software bloat is a consequence of featuritis driven by users and developers. This is why Campus 2 once full will not result in abandoning the leased space. So long as there is a need, the hardware will be expanded to fit. So long as no more memory or local storage is added, and software bloat simply fills it up, and the rest is shifted to the cloud, marketing will be happy. 
So I am listening to Lady Gaga.... And I go. OH I want to listen to Poker Face, and if I don't own that song I have to switch apps to listen to it? And then I go... Cool! Now I want to listen to a radio station of songs like this. And I need to swift to yet aNOTHER app?!
No. Just no. All music, in one place. Take out the videos, pictures, apps and sync tools etc.
But why would you have 3+ apps that all involve listening to music?
Maybe you are a Facebook engineer. And you headed the Facebook messenger app. And now you are building a Facebook timeline app. And a Facebook status app.
Clean design can do LOTS of things. Look at say... Logic. Or Photoshop. Each of those do near EVERYTHING there is to do with audio files or pictures in one app.