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I dont see iphone x offers anything new that android provided for years except that faceid which is a very annoying thing but provides nothing better than touchid. Only CIA would design a phone like that and no surprise if faceid is mainly by cia and all data send to cia.
 
I've been using the Mac since 2006 and honestly I think the Mac is the best it's ever been. I can't really speak of their other product lines (though I do love my iPhone), but I really don't understand people who say Apple's innovation has slowed.

I genuinely think a lot of people are here must be wearing some heavily rose tinted glasses, because honestly, I would not choose to go back to how Apple were say, 10 years ago. There's no doubt in my mind that things are better now than they were in the past.

You've got to be kidding.

10 years ago? 2007 was a pretty great year for Macs. The iMac was ok, they'd just gone to the aluminum case, it was a pretty solid machine. The Mac Pro was absolutely great, you could get 8 cores. Oh, and if you wanted to put it in a rack, the XServe was great. The MacBook Pro wasn't bad, it was still the lightweight aluminum case, but it had several innovations that we'd love to have today, like the replaceable hard drive, the optical drive, the upgradable RAM, and best of all the removable battery!

Mac OS X 10.4 was one of Apple's best releases, it was certainly much prettier than 10.10+, and it still had one of the great Apple innovations - scroll arrows - and it would certainly be great to have those innovated back in. And while we unfortunately lost Classic on the Intel Macs (not like Apple couldn't have fixed that, but at least SheepShaver is only a click away), at least we could still run PowerPC software (and killing that was one of Apple's stupidest moves, it was completely unnecessary, and means yet another virtual machine that I've got to have running, thus meaning I need even more RAM - RAM that I can't get in a MacBook Pro today at any price).

No, most of Apple's "innovation" for the Mac has been taking out useful features, getting rid of useful platforms (bring back the XServe, Apple!), and generally making things worse more than they're making them better.
 
Well I'm sure the iPad was in development before SJ passed.

But it's not the innovation I question.

It's the increase in the amount of what I believe to be inefficient software releases.
Seems to have been some larger bugs/issues with the last few OSs (both desktop and iOS).

I've been more disappointed with that tbh.

iOS 11 has really been a pain in the rear on my 6s. It's to the point I wish I hadn't upgraded...
 
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I think it depends on what you mean by "innovation."

Apple has certainly been refining products, but I don't think that counts as "innovation." For example, I don't think the switch from the 2015 to the 2016 MacBook Pro form factor was "innovative," rather, I'd say it was a refinement of the prior form factor. I would say that the touchbar is innovative, even if I find it to be useless at best and an active impediment to my work at worst.

Another problem is that some of Apple's "innovation" has failed, vidé, the cylindrical Mac Pro.

So I think it fair to say that Apple's "innovation" has indeed slowed down. Between the death of the visionary and the sheer size of the organization, coupled with the consolidation mindset of the CEO, it was inevitable, and, most likely, irreversible.

The touchbar innovative??? LOL.....try having a full touch screen. Nothing is innovative about a corny touchbar. Just like that lil bitty strip second screen on the LG V10 that came before that atrocity of a touch bar. Touchbar is actually a true rip off of the 2010 Microsoft adaptive keyboard as well. The last ounce of innovation I have seen by Apple in the last five years has been the W2 chip in the airpods.
 
There is no innovation at Apple because, as Tim Cook said on GMA several weeks ago, Apple does not try to be first but they try to be the best. Apple will never be innovative again because they will always be playing catch up with their competitors. The only "new" thing Apple came up with is the Apple Watch which isn't really that innovative. It is a glorified toy looking to be a fitness or smart watch. Apple does not know which niche to put it in.
 
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I've been using the Mac since 2006 and honestly I think the Mac is the best it's ever been. I can't really speak of their other product lines (though I do love my iPhone), but I really don't understand people who say Apple's innovation has slowed.

I genuinely think a lot of people are here must be wearing some heavily rose tinted glasses, because honestly, I would not choose to go back to how Apple were say, 10 years ago. There's no doubt in my mind that things are better now than they were in the past.

**** keyboards, thinner for the sake of... thin, dongle life, pay more for less, useless innovations like the touchbar, feature regression (like magsafe -> “usb unsafe”), pro being “redefined”, form over function, stale innovation on peripherals, feature regression on software... yeah, it’s going great!
 
"...the work that has been done on the Mac", he says! RFLMAO!!

Sometimes I wonder if there's some kind of distortion in the continuous space-time around Cupertino that make 1,000 bucks look like 100 and 4 years feel like 1. Eddie! What are you smoking?? I VEHEMENTLY want a wee bit too!!
 
The MacMini in 2005 was innovative.
Now there’s an iPhone 8 with the same design as the 2015 iPhone 6, and an iPhone X that costs as much as a MacBook Air, which Apple still sells in 2017 with a screen that looks worse than an iPad 2.
 
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How's this news? I mean it's not like the man is going to come out and admit that yes, Apple has lost it's spark and is just one big tech company among the ranks of Microsoft, HP, Dell, Accenture and IBM. He'll say exactly the same thing regardless if it's true or not and with the way things have been going on at Apple over the last few years, it's pretty clear that Cook's management style has killed what made Apple so great under Steve Jobs' management.
 
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I dont see iphone x offers anything new that android provided for years except that faceid which is a very annoying thing but provides nothing better than touchid. Only CIA would design a phone like that and no surprise if faceid is mainly by cia and all data send to cia.

Faceid is for cia collecting data and much more inconvenient for users
 
The current iMac design was released in 2007? It may take courage to remove the headphone jack, but it takes complacency and hubris to give your design team a 10-year hiatus.
 
I understand everybody differs in terms of what Apple has released for Products and what their definition of innovation is. I also think the term innovation is loosely used and Not appropriately applied to everything Apple does either.

Regardless of everybody's views of what Innovation is, Apples end goal is to put out a solid product, in which we all know they can do. It's how they continue to build off that product to make it better, more efficient and offer functionality to extend its capabilities for the better.

Yep I agree. People say Face ID and Touch Bar are not innovation and they are gimmicks, but curved edges on Samsung phones are? Just because you think something is a gimmick does not mean everyone else on the planet does. I find touch screens to be a gimmick, yet people want that on the Mac. I prefer the touch bar, some people don't.

Let's just all stop using that term innovation. Pretty much everything these days is a mature product. How much innovation can a phone really be? I do not find a curved edge innovation. How much innovation can a desktop/laptop be these days? These are all mature products now.
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How exactly is the iPhone continuing to change the way everything is done?

Let's look at the current line up...
  • We've got the SE which is a rehashed design from the 5... what is that like 6 generations old?
  • We've got the 8/8+ which is a rehashed design from the 6... 3 generations old?
  • We've got the X, that is similar form factor to the Galaxy S8, but no plus size for at least another generation... an nothing that competes with the Note 8.
Most of what the X is being touted for are features already in other devices for years... AMOLED, minimal bezel, wireless charging. What is unique is removing touch in exchange for face; a silly looking notch, and animated poop emojis. They seem to have put all their innovative energy into the hardware for FaceID and animated emojis (great tech of course), and not so much in the rest of it. And not having the plus size ready ... no other vendor does that.

Since the 6 came out, what has Apple changed? They've helped do away with the headphone jack.. that changed the way things are done. Thankfully not every vendor has followed them. Nearly everything else they've added has been following the competition. Not to say the iPhone isn't a great device, but innovative... nah... I would say you get an iPhone if you want "safe" and something that works with the Apple ecosystem.

And the iPod was the first MP3 or similar player right? Oh wait.
And the iPad was the first tablet ever? Oh wait.
And MacBooks/Powerbooks were the first ever laptops right? Oh wait
The iPhone was the first ever smartphone ever right? Oh wait

Apple has never been the first with a product line. NEVER. They concern themselves with ease of use. I am sure at the time the iPhone was released, people did not think software-only keyboard with your fingers was not innovative because they preferred those phones with physical keys.
 
And the iPod was the first MP3 or similar player right? Oh wait.
And the iPad was the first tablet ever? Oh wait.
And MacBooks/Powerbooks were the first ever laptops right? Oh wait
The iPhone was the first ever smartphone ever right? Oh wait

Apple has never been the first with a product line. NEVER. They concern themselves with ease of use. I am sure at the time the iPhone was released, people did not think software-only keyboard with your fingers was not innovative because they preferred those phones with physical keys.

Actually this is not true. At the time the iPhone was introduced, the smartphone space was probably equally split on touch keyboards vs. physical keyboards. The "stylus" which SJ so eloquently trashed, was not the main input device for any of them at that point. Touch was already common, and the stylus was somewhat optional and often used more for drawing than anything else. But most of the iPhone fans here don't seem to get that, or maybe weren't around back then.
 
Actually this is not true. At the time the iPhone was introduced, the smartphone space was probably equally split on touch keyboards vs. physical keyboards. The "stylus" which SJ so eloquently trashed, was not the main input device for any of them at that point. Touch was already common, and the stylus was somewhat optional and often used more for drawing than anything else. But most of the iPhone fans here don't seem to get that, or maybe weren't around back then.

Yeah and that is the point. Depending on how you look at it, Apple has never been innovative. Depending on how you look at it, they have been innovative and still are.
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Dear Eddy, Perhaps if you and Tim actually asked the real Mac customers what products they need instead of selling high profit trendy gadgets and dongles that you and Wall Street want us to buy, you might not have to answer the innovation question in the first place.

Oh I forgot, you dumped the wifi and storage accessories which were very innovative and made the mac ecosystem unique.

I find it bizarre that companies don't update products ( eg: Mac Mini ) then cheerfully say they they are no longer selling it as there is no demand, there are millions of people not buying a 3 year old product ( eg: Mac Mini ) because they wait in vain for you to "INNOVATE" or at least Update PLEASE

In a private company, you would have an argument. Apple is a public company. It is their job to make the most money as possible. What does that? iPhones, iPads and Apple Watches. That is why Tim, as CEO, is doing his job perfectly fine in a public company - devote as much resources to what makes them the most money.
 



Just over a decade after the iPhone launched, and six years after Steve Jobs passed, some critics believe that Apple's pace of innovation has slowed. Unsurprisingly, Apple's services chief Eddy Cue doesn't share that opinion.

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"I disagree vehemently with that and I think we've been incredibly innovative," said Cue, in a recent interview with Indian publication Livemint.

Cue pointed out that both the iPad and Apple Watch launched after the iPhone, while noting that revolutionary products take time. He also believes that Apple's work on Mac, macOS, and iOS has led the market.The rest of the interview was primarily focused on Apple's roadmap for India, which Cue described as a "very long-term opportunity."

Cue said Apple is focused on three areas in India, including the App Store, Apple Maps, and a bundle of other services such as iCloud and Apple Music. Of note, he said Apple is "working on" bringing Apple Pay to India.Cue said Apple doesn't have an exact launch date to announce for Apple Pay in India at this point since it's not "a 100 percent" yet.

In the full-length interview, Cue also reflects upon the leadership styles of past and present Apple CEOs Tim Cook and Steve Jobs, and on Apple's increasing efforts to produce original content.

Article Link: Eddy Cue Says He 'Disagrees Vehemently' With Those Who Believe Apple's Pace of Innovation Has Slowed
[doublepost=1508252658][/doublepost]The actual release dates of products demonstrates the advancements made. Usually consumer mobile products. The computer line has suffered because of it. Apple current thought process is the bottom line of money, money and more money. Very little to assist the product users. They would rather solder in all components to prevent user upgrades in order again to make more money. Mac Pro, and Mac Mini, how long between announcements and when announced then add a couple more years to see anything viable coming out of the spaceship. iMac small processors steps, when it does change it is all about monitors. Would like upgradable headless computers and I'll select the monitor to fit my needs. New format for images is not innovation, where is the hardware!!!
 
Gosh... the iPhone X is the first major iPhone upgrade since the 6-series in 2014... and you're complaining about it?

Smartphones seem to be mature now.

What exactly are you looking for? :p

Well, I was looking for a compelling reason to stick with the iPhone. For you, what are the major upgrades that are worth the $1,000? What is really new, different, and exciting about the X? OLED? Face recognition? Slightly better camera? A touch faster? Do these really warrant an upgrade? Where is the REAL innovation? Apple used to be in the business of telling me what I need (Jobs was amazing at that), and that was exciting. Now all they do is bump specs.
 
If many on here are so negative about Apple, Apple is no longer innovative, why do you keep buying Apple products? The one that gets me, Mac hardware complaint. For 99% of computer users, any hardware in the last five years is more then powerful enough. What separates the Mac from other hardware, Apple software and environment. Reminds of some car buyers, yep, my new car has the most power and speed of any car made. Really, what do you do with the car, take the family on some really cool road trips. On those roads with speed limits I presume. Reality, most will find the Mac innovation in the complete package, and when they try the Mac environment, will find it more then meets their computer power needs, with the Big Bonus, it’s a Mac. If not there are other choices.

My 2010 Mac Pro (not even the top of the line one) is still good enough for my work. People like to treat computers as if we are back in the early 2000s where processor generation X+1 was so much better than processor generation X. Compare what I do between my 2010 Mac Pro and my 2017 iMac and my 2015 custom built PC, they are about the same. Sure they have different benchmark scores, but my workflow is not remarkably faster on my newer computers.
 
Forget innovation for a moment - I’d like to see regular updates on the Mac wrt processors etc.

Right now they’re trying to innovate for innovation’s sake and passsing on the bill to consumers.

That’s ok, there are enough Product- starving fanboys with enough disposable income that will buy anything that gets thrown at them. This is whyAople can do stupid things and still have decent sales and stock.
 
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