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It's been 3 years since the Mac Mini has been updated.

And all desktop computers still come with mechanical hard drives as standard.
 
it just matters about timing

computers were hard to use. mac changed that
phones were hard to use. iphone changed that

right now, the focus is on cars. driving a car sucks.
- breaks down
- gas/maintenance/auto insurance costs
- you have to store it when you're not using it/takes up too much space
- huge barrier of entry due to cost
- hard to use
- dangerous
- environmental issues

if apple were to make a car, it'll solve all of those issues. a self driving car that you pay one low flat monthly fee for and you can use it as much as you want. need to commute to work? check. need to go from LA to New York? no problem. did your current apple car break down? request another and let Apple deal with the car issue. did an idiot driver crash into the apple car you're in? Apple will send you another car and will take care of it the incident for you.

i think there's plenty of people out there that rather not own a car if they don't have to but still need to use one anyways.
 
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Well, Pebble and Jawbone were POS. I owned both. Sold my Pebble the day it arrived, returned my Jawbone 2 hours after buying it. AW didn't kill those two. They were not good product. Fitbit is doing fine as it expands from just activity monitors to smart watches.

As for the MP3 market, yes the pre-iPod players were terrible. But even after the iPod was launch and Apple showed the world how to make a decent player no manufacturer could compete. OTOH companies are competing with AW and even iPhone has to compete hard against Android. iOS and top end Android phones have feature parity these days and build quality isn't far off.

My point here is no one is scared of Apple these days. They compete and do well and don't even have to copy to get there.

You could say the exact same thing about MP3 players... iPod didn't kill them, they were crap.

As for Fitbit, I don't know where you're getting your facts from, but Fitbit is far from fine:
- http://fortune.com/2017/06/05/fitbit-apple-watch-xiaomi-idc/
- https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/28/fitbit-ionic-smartwatch-first-look.html

I don't know any smartwatch that is anywhere near on par with Apple Watch in terms of functionality, fit & finish, design, UX, ecosystem, etc. especially in something as small as their 38mm. The last Androidwear update was almost a complete knockoff of AWOS 3.

As for smartphones, it's a mature market so you have to expect the copycats will eventually catch up in some areas. But make no mistake, Apple is still the leader, as evidenced by everyone rushing to copy Apple's dual camera tech, AR implementation and facial recognition... 3 key technologies that will define the next gen of smartphones.

If anything, we're seeing a clearer segmentation; iPhone representing the high end and Android representing the mid and low end. It think these articles illustrate that from a tech/value and sales standpoint:
- https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/202250
- http://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-vs-apple-galaxy-iphone-smartphone-revenue-chart-2017-2
 
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It's weird how Samsung can be viewed as innovative/superior for making faster phones with better cameras and screens, but people will write off everything Apple has done along similar lines. (For example: They would argue that Apple making the iPhone faster and faster isn't innovative).

Those people also totally write off new things Apple is trying like Face ID, AR Kit, AirPods and Apple Pay.

Ignoring reality on this level is remarkable. What's even more mind boggling to me is these same people argue this wouldn't have happened if Steve Jobs was here. The man who got a cheer when he announced "iPad 2 comes in two colours. We're going to be shipping white on day one." A new colour and managing to not repeat a mistake is seen as innovative by him, but the Apple Watch is thrown aside.

Talking of Apple Watch. Has there ever been a product which took on three market leaders: Rolex, Fitbit and Android and so successfully merged their functionality? Apple Watch is fashionable, and looks good (and brings in a lot of money) like Rolex. It tracks health as accurately, if not more so, than a Fitbit. And it's smarter (and more relevant) than the smartest Android Wear device.

Samsung has stuff leaps and bounds over Apple. Although I do not like android, I would love to have many of its features within apples walled garden. Would love a samsung Galaxy that ran iOS too. Samsung had a watch before apple and many things are better on it. Samsung has also had VR for 2 years, Apple is also very late on that. What Apple is doing with that is good though. Don't even want to discuss how much better samsung pay is over Apple pay. Not to mention the hardware itself is much better with the exception of processors, for less money. There are always incentives on Samsung devices. Rarely do you get anything extra when buying Apple. Their arrogance will have to yield sooner or later.
 
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Nice try.

If Apple is to be considered as no longer being innovative, then there has to be some point of reference. In sports that would be other athletes or teams. In technology it would be other companies with similar products to yours.
Have you seen products from Apple’s competitors recently? Where Apple is stalling for years, competitors were able to bring new better products to market and able to leapfrog Apple in most areas. Huawei just released their Mate 10. It looks like its very capable of what the iPhone X has to offer for half the price. No wonder why they're doing so well in Europe.

HP has the new Mac mini and their laptops offer better specs, screens and lower price than a MacBook air.

Its really getting shamefull at what’s going on with Apple. They’re able to do so much more, sell less expensive and still make billions of dollars.

They've chosen to focus on profits, milking their customers and deliver the bare minimum. They're ruining a brand which was built in decades in less than 5 years. That's super fast Eddy & the other beancounters
 
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Apple? dominate? when?

if there’s ever been a point where they could be perceived as dominating, that would be now.

For me, that comment concerns the mythic "pipeline" insofar as Macs. Build something that just works and isn't so overpriced.

Not interested whether they dominate phones, services for overinflated prices etc. (I understand share holders would of course.)
 
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Um no. The iPhone changed the world the moment it was unveiled to the world. That very moment every competitor changed their entire operation toward this new goal which was the modern smartphone. The iPhone changed the world, end of story.

I think you might be misremembering, just slightly. After all, 6 years ago the BlackBerry Messaging network went down, and it made worldwide news. This was when the iPhone 4S was new!

Blackberry phones were still quite popular, even when iPhone was on it's 5th generation!
 
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It's weird how Samsung can be viewed as innovative/superior for making faster phones with better cameras and screens, but people will write off everything Apple has done along similar lines. (For example: They would argue that Apple making the iPhone faster and faster isn't innovative).

Those people also totally write off new things Apple is trying like Face ID, AR Kit, AirPods and Apple Pay.

Ignoring reality on this level is remarkable. What's even more mind boggling to me is these same people argue this wouldn't have happened if Steve Jobs was here. The man who got a cheer when he announced "iPad 2 comes in two colours. We're going to be shipping white on day one." A new colour and managing to not repeat a mistake is seen as innovative by him, but the Apple Watch is thrown aside.

Talking of Apple Watch. Has there ever been a product which took on three market leaders: Rolex, Fitbit and Android and so successfully merged their functionality? Apple Watch is fashionable, and looks good (and brings in a lot of money) like Rolex. It tracks health as accurately, if not more so, than a Fitbit. And it's smarter (and more relevant) than the smartest Android Wear device.

Apple watch still has a ways to go. I think the Samsung gear is a nicer watch. The Samsung gear S2 had cellular and thats like a year and a half old or so. The gear is a nicer more customizable watch, had an altimeter and GPS before Apple watch. Apple is well over a year or two late with their "innovations". They have fallen behind and pretty much copy whats already out there because they can't get it to market in time. Watch how hard iPhone X will be to get. They are getting really sad. Apple slow rolls features to their users to the point of embarrassment and their customers eat it up. I'm an all apple guy but I watch the competition and know that apple is not what is was and they are always trying to catch up. I always envy the samsung devices because they are better. The simplicity and reliability are not up to par with apple, although Apple's reliability last few years is faltering.
 
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Okay Eddie but how about some proof
Eddy: "Well we just released these awesome new phones. We know how much our fans love them and would appreciate a look inside, so we added this great new feature that when you charge some of them they open up, so you can see inside. Now that's innovative!"
 
Apple is always on the cutting edge of innovation. For example, I never could have imagined a bluetooth option that stays on even when you turn it off.
Hahaha SO FUNNEH.

I couldn't imagine that there actually used to be a button that would so easily let an average user permanently disable the core functions of the device.
 
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Yes, Eddy, Apple is still innovative, just not in areas most of us care about. If you are a professional creative, as I am, you definitely have not seen much innovation for years. Our hardware has become painfully obsolete compared to the PC side.

And "innovations" like a new flavor OS every 12 months creates a myriad of compatibility problems to be constantly dealt with. And if you don't update, your workstation becomes obsolete relative to the software you need to run.

And Apple's promise to create Pro-level Macs in the near future falls flat -- an iMac "Pro" for $5000 to $10,000. How much will next year's (maybe) Mac Pro re-design cost -- $10,000 to $20,000? The 400% profit margin Apple has become used to on the iPhone side of the chic-designer market, is not competitive in today's computer market -- no matter how "thin" you make it.
 
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I think it comes down to how we define innovation. If it's simply deciding for their customers what features they want, he's right. If it's improving and refining functionality, he's dead wrong.
 
Everyone needs to understand that it’s pretty much Apple vs the world. While android and windows are more expansive, manufacturers can focus more on hardware and adding features. It’s a bunch of manufacturers vs the iPhone. It’s impossible for Apple to always one-up them when each phone manufacturer can solely focus on being first in introducing features as they’re only expanding stuff within the android software.
 
I'm on the same boat. It really makes me angry to see that Apple has turned into a milking machine. The company has lost it's soul.

In a way..it feels they’re making fun of their costumers. They know people will buy anything. They don’t stress to make a truly remarkable product. I mean...look at how the Apple Pencil charges. Or how the Magic Mouse charges. Look at the damn notch on the iPhone x. Look at the same old design on the iPhone 8/8 Plus. Look how crappy the UX was for Apple Music when it was was released. And so on.

I’m now voting with my wallet. The competition did catch up and they offer the same level of experience. Sometimes even better. And some have great design choices.

Continuing to buy from Apple just because it’s Apple is killing it in the long term.
 
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Have you seen Google's hardware sales statistics? How's Tizen working out for Samsung? Does Huawei have their own OS yet? Apple appears to be the only company that can walk and chew gum at the same time in the mobile market.

So 90% of the world using Windows means no good PC exists in your mind? LOL
 
That's what happens when you have a fortune earned in a company sitting in front of you... you don't see the reality thru the mountain of $ bills
 
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That's what happens when you have a fortune earned in a company sitting in front of you... you don't see the reality thru the mountain of $ bills

And there have been a lot of big companies that amassed huge fortunes that got fat, dumb, happy, and totally dillusional in their relation to their customers. Apple has a relationship with many customers where they literally could sell them just about anything and they'd love it. This adds to the false reality. At some point things can quickly take a turn.
 
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It is practically at standstill. New features, but real innovation? That died when Steve did, he drove innovation and only accepted perfection. I have not been excited about a new Apple ever since the iPhone 6 came out.

Now if they can truly reinvent TV, that will be someone that will catch my eye. I don’t mean Apple TV either but something truly revolutionary.
 
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Sad for the person and sad for Apple. Apple is losing a loyal customer for his experience on the computer and FCP.
They are losing the whole mkt segment of real Pros in the favor of the "Cappuccino Pros" that use light office apps and they dont.give.a.damn
 
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