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Eddy Cue Wanted to Port iMessage to Android in 2013 According to Epic Deposition
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presumably because the deposition transcripts were not designated confidential by Apple.
Am I the only one who's surprised to read that the original weather and stocks apps, as demonstrated by Steve Jobs in the original 2007 iPhone keynote, were actually web apps (Scott Forstall's deposition in page 70)? I was always under the impression that those were native apps but turns out they had to rewrite them after the keynote as native apps for the iPhone's launch.
What IDEs are you buying? Maybe some niche ones are really expensive (embedded software development maybe?) but just about all the widely used ones are either free or around a hundred dollars or so.
“Cue was asked whether Epic's decision to introduce its own direct payment method in the Fortnite app led to any security vulnerabilities on the iPhone, a line of questioning that directly relates to Apple's argument that in-app purchases and App Store rules keep the App Store secure. "I don't recall anything," said Cue.”
This line is dynamite! it means Cue doesn’t recall a conversation that in-game purchases are vulnerable.
This line is dynamite! it means Cue doesn’t recall a conversation that in-game purchases are vulnerable.
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Or Steve Jobs, being a smart and successful business man would have changed his mind. It wouldn’t have been the first time it happened. And it wouldn’t have been the first time a competitor did something first and Apple later did it too (and often better).
There are numerous ways it could have gone.
- No 3rd party apps
- Select 3rd party apps, say from established Mac developers or major companies like Adobe, Microsoft, Google, etc
- Completely open
- etc.
My God, can you imagine the implementation of a skeuomorphic Oval Office?
Prolly paint everything Aqua as well.
Dear almighty divine being, they should have brought it to PC and Android. And they still should. I would pay $4.99/mo to be able to iMessage from my PCs.
Sounding desperate Epic. And grasping at straws. Being that iMessage is proprietary Apple tech to a degree and is not a paid service. Also Epic do you want to address that you had planned for 2 years to breach the terms of service you agreed to?
Yes but it cost Apple to maintain the store. And pay employees to vet those apps. They supply the dev tools and the marketplace in which it is sold. People tend to trust the App Store. How much money would devs make outside the App Store and also how much would it cost devs to comply with the laws and taxes of each country they sold and traded in.
Designation reinforces accountability.
What I get from the lack of designation is that these were stories that apple *wanted* to get out.
What I get from the lack of designation is that these were stories that apple *wanted* to get out.
Ok, I can support that. Although there is one quote from Eddy that I would not have wanted out there. Specifically his inability to recall any conversations regarding In App purchases and App Store Rules keeping things secure. That’s going to be a “Copy and Paste” quote, IMO.
Not so simple iMessage is E2E insofar there is no iCloud backup as Android users don’t have this option either Apple would have to open iCloud to Android users for its questionable security due to the CLOUD Act 2018 for recovery purposes or either provide the end user for both Apple and Google to have default iCloud iMessage encryption or have iCloud for Apple users and none for Google users.
Technically Apple can make those iCloud iMessage backups secure but the FBI will not be happy.
Want iMessage to be secure then turn off iCloud backup for it.
So bored of this now. All this lawyering up is hot air and wasted money. This isn’t about principle or sticking up for devs vs Apple.
It’s really simple. If Epic Games don’t like the 30% App Store cut, they’re completely free to opt out anytime and distribute via other means.
It’s really simple. If Epic Games don’t like the 30% App Store cut, they’re completely free to opt out anytime and distribute via other means.
Imagine how much better the web would be if we could only have web apps and that received all of Apple’s attention. I’m sure Google would be happy.
A lot of credit card processors will do all this payment processing for 5%. Apple does add value in developer support. Certainly enough to hit 15%. I think it is when they have a competitive interest not to play fair or not to follow established norms where there is at worst an antitrust issue and at best a anti-consumer choice issue that leaves a stain on Apple’s otherwise clean image. Apple will need to change further to get away from all the bad press and investigations. I’d rather the government didn’t get involved, but I guess this adds some pressure to make it easier to explain changes to stockholders. This is a great year to make some pro-consumer/pro-developer changes with sales and revenue up.
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Ok, I can support that. Although there is one quote from Eddy that I would not have wanted out there. Specifically his inability to recall any conversations regarding In App purchases and App Store Rules keeping things secure. That’s going to be a “Copy and Paste” quote, IMO.
Doesn’t mean they didn;’t happen without him