Edited iMessages in iOS 16 Now Display Original Text, Undo Send Limited to Two Minutes

[Paddle1]

You should be able to make an edit and not allow the other person to see the edit if they had not seen/read the original message

That would make sense if it was doable but:
1. You can read messages without marking them read.
2. Some people have read receipts disabled and that could defeat the purpose.

 

[compwiz1202]

Replace this example with a different one.
Imagine you just started at a new job.
Your new boss sends you a message:
“Would you like a *insert sexually explicit phrase*”
You reply: “Absolutely not”
But right after you hit send, your boss changes their original message to say:
“Would you like a raise?”
And since the original message is gone, you’ve got nothing to show HR that your boss is a creep.
Now, if they edit the message you can still view and report the creep, and if they unsend, it’s not going to look so good on them.
Someone earlier in this thread asked if people would use these features to do this kind of stuff.
Yes, yes they will, and it’s already a problem on other messaging platforms with “edit” and “unsend” features

But as long as the recipent never views it, they should never see the original. And Would you like a raise? could still be sexuallty explicit.

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

A simple solution is: If you want to save text messages just take a screenshot. There's really no need to show any type of edit history.

 

[klasma]

So why edit it?

It’s basically just good for fixing typos and improving wording.

 

[macsplusmacs]

Right, because if you, or someone you know, or (worst case) a child is sent something like that, they’re going to remember/be able to/even think about taking a screenshot.

Well, yah, you would be amazed how many people take screenshots of things on the screen.

 

[iStorm]

Take a screen shot? Are we really going to ruin every useful feature by asking....what is the use case scenario for a spouse abuser or a drug dealer. Or a corrupt politician, or a corrupt govt bureaucrat. This will ruin so many interesting things...like an edit button that now has no purpose.

 

[boak]

A simple solution is: If you want to save text messages just take a screenshot. There's really no need to show any type of edit history.

That’s only useful if a message were edited from bad to good. Doesn’t work for the other way round, unless you pre-empt all the time and screenshot all messages.

 

[klasma]

Do people really care about typos or other general errors?

It would be nice if more people would.

 

[Xenden]

So people who are abused have a record of the abuse.

Yes, make a feature work less like it was intended to because of the hypothetical victim.


I’ve never placed much stock in the harassment argument; the person being harassed can block people they don’t want to talk to, they can make a new username/get a new phone number, or, they could even just ignore the harasser. Why that is never an option is beyond me.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Well, yah, you would be amazed how many people take screenshots of things on the screen.

If you don’t get it you don’t get it.

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

Well, yah, you would be amazed how many people take screenshots of things on the screen.

Yes sir! On point!

 

[boak]

What would be the downside of that? Are you negotiating legal contracts over text messages?

It’s just an example. What about:

A: *cute dog pic*
B: Haha I love it

Changed to:

A: *racist pic*
B: Haha I love it

 

[macsplusmacs]

can new pics be inserted into edit tweet? i have not tried.

 

[boak]

It’s the same reason why Twitter is not really in favour of an Edit feature. Retweets would be a mess as users could be misrepresented as endorsing something that didn’t initially, for example.

 

[klasma]

I would say this is a good idea temporarily and I'll quickly explain why. Since they are unable to make this feature active on phones without iOS 16, this will make sure that any sender knows the other person could see the original message. So if I send my wife on iOS 15 a message and also my girlfriend on iOS 16 and then edit it, on my end and my girlfriends end it would appear that it was edited and fixed. But my wife would clearly see the original message since she was still on iOS15. This makes sure that everyone in the post, including the original sender, sees it the way that everyone else sees it.

That doesn’t seem like something people in general will be able to understand.

 

[boak]

Apple also can’t implement hiding edits until the recipient reads the message because some users turn off seen receipts and this feature would leak that information.

If you want to hide your edits, that’s what Undo Send is for.

 

[Mick-Mac]

I'm one of those people that would likely steer towards not wanting this feature and hope that there would be preference settings for that. If you chose to not allow edited text messages, then my vote is to not allow editing your own texts AND also keeping every version of received texts (and that should be the default i.e. you have to opt in to this new feature).

 

[Wags]

How about Apple just giving us the reason why not complete text recall. Kinda like the tracking notification. A real answer not just we prefer it that way.

 

[klasma]

If I text you and say "don't go to school tomorrow I am shooting it up" and then I edit it to say "Hi". It is hard to go to the police with a threat when all you have is a message that says "Hi".

In principle it should be possible to only make available old versions of the message that were already shown to the recipient. But that’s probably too complicated for Apple to implement.

 

[Wags]

I’d have to agree 100%. If this is the way it’s released I’d have to say this ranks up there as one of the dumbest features Apple has ever released.

Saving complete edit for next years ’big thing’

 

[otozuz]

So why edit it?

I can still see it being useful for typos or if you made a mistake like "See you there at 3pm 4pm" and stuff like that, not for things you didn't mean to send. For that you can use the unsend feature.

 

[nvmls]

There are pros and cons to all different methods. On MacRumors for example you can completely edit a message into something else completely different after people have already "liked" it.

Yea, and..?
Comparing an open forum with a private personal/group interaction, come on.

If someone "liked" your message and you edited it afterwards, then it wouldn't pass Apple's moral standards?

 

[compwiz1202]

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Exactly what I was thinking. You can easily doctor them

 

[boak]

How about Apple just giving us the reason why not complete edit. A real answer not just we prefer it that way.

What do you mean by complete?

 

[klasma]

Apple also can’t implement hiding edits until the recipient reads the message because some users turn off seen receipts and this feature would leak that information.

I would assume that the hiding would be per recipient, and you would always see the full edit history of your own messages. I.e. every user sees exactly the history of what they themselves have previously seen.