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Elon Musk Backtracks on Earlier Comments, Says 'I Don't Hate Apple'

Turnpike said:
I HATE it when people backtrack what they say. It's so stupid.
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Jesus, you are REALLY in the wrong place if that's how you feel!

I feel the Apple Fans are probably THE largest group of backtrackers I've ever ever seen anywhere.

Large Phone = Stupid
Smaller iPad = Stupid
Stylus = Stupid
Specs never matter EVER. Until Apple has higher specs then IT MATTERS :)

Apple does not make it = it's a dumb idea. I'd never want one. Apple should never make it.
Apple then does make it = Amazing. They have done it right, superb user experience. etc etc.

And so it never ever stops here.
 
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VMMan said:
I'm pretty sure s/he was being tongue-in-cheek.
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I'm not so sure.

These plans to send 'men' to Mars are crazy, in my opinion. We have a 'distant world' right here in our neighborhood, so sending 'men' there would be MY highest priority.

We can get there in 'days', rather than months to years, and we get pretty much the same things to look at, just in a different hue.

Put 'people' on the Moon FIRST, and maybe head to Mars.

Going to Mars is going to be 'expensive', and very probably a one-way-trip. It does seem that it's yet another way for a different division of the Military Industrial Complex to cash in, and fleece the government.

There are so many questions that could be answered by staying in our backyard that could still turn the Moon into a cemetery, if that's what people want...

Is Musk in a position to reap a huge bucket of cash for trying to go to Mars? Yes... But so is everyone tied to that Military Industrial Complex...

But, anyway... Does Musk 'hate' Apple? I think Apple frustrates Musk, and that frustration pops up from time to time.

For example, Musk 'did' electric cars, and was roundly criticized, and here Apple is reportedly 'thinking' about doing a car, and they are being lauded for their efforts. I'm sure it's frustrating. Some of that frustration was evident in his spoken opinions. Perhaps meant as 'tongue in cheek', but it's hard to keep the frustration, and feelings of being whipped by the media out of such statements... They didn't add to the debate, but show where the 'industry' sits.

People will line up to buy the 'iCar', and line up to rip the Tesla. I'd own a Tesla, if I could afford one. I see the need for such transportation in our future. Heck, I would love maglev trains and buses, and Musk is interested in that technology I believe... Were people beating Jobs for his entry into music players, set top boxes, etc?
 
ron7624 said:
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This is what his picture says to me.
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But smart people usually do make a lot of money. Jobs, reportedly, was paid one dollar from Apple for his tenure at Apple. He was said to 'not need the money', but he received handsome benefits of shares of stock, and other perks. Tim Cook, from what I remember, is being paid something over $600,000,000 (six hundred million) for his tenure.

Not every smart person has the money to be able to work substantially for free...

And IMO, I don't think ANY CEO is worth more than six hundred thousand a year. They get sports star salaries, and that's offensive for sports stars!
 
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Piggie said:
Jesus, you are REALLY in the wrong place if that's how you feel!

I feel the Apple Fans are probably THE largest group of backtrackers I've ever ever seen anywhere.

Large Phone = Stupid
Smaller iPad = Stupid
Stylus = Stupid
Specs never matter EVER. Until Apple has higher specs then IT MATTERS :)

Apple does not make it = it's a dumb idea. I'd never want one. Apple should never make it.
Apple then does make it = Amazing. They have done it right, superb user experience. etc etc.

And so it never ever stops here.
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That's pretty much what I said. It's got to be galling for Musk to have been flogged for so long over Tesla, and the recognition that there doesn't have to be a huge, and expensive, dealer network to be middle-men in the purchase decision. Apple will likely face those issues, unless they actually are just developing a 'system' that could be added to any manufacturers base vehicle.

It would be odd for Apple to develop the 'iCar', and have it only available from a BMW dealer, or Benz, or whomever they partner with... Apple has done private label items in the past, but never, to my knowledge, had a product so closely tied to another company. Maybe Apple will end up purchasing 'base cars' from someone like BMW, and then adding their magic, and selling them themselves, which makes sense, however the future can lead in a totally different direction...

Stay tuned...
 
Nevaborn said:
I think the Apple Watch is not a lack of features but rather a lack in UI. To navigate and get in to settings is pretty convoluted. The 3D Touch on the 6S/+ works really well for getting to things fast. Watch OS needs to get that sorted and make use of a technology it basically showcased.

The only thing stopping me grabbing one is I need to be connected but able to leave my phone at home when exercising. I could jog with the iPhone 4 but the 6S+ is just too big for that.
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Not really. Tap the crown once to get to the app constellation and then tap the settings icon. I set up my app constellation so my most frequently used apps are right near the clock face.

IceMacMac said:
I'm an Apple fan but I can't relate to 2/3 of the people posting here....the Apple fundamentalists. Like other forms of fundamentalism prevalent today: Islamic fundamentalism... liberal fundamentalism....It is extremely unbecoming.

Musk has risked his private reputation and own financial well-being to make electric cars. If you want to point out his flaws...go for it. But to slam the guy for making cool cars before Apple has even started trying...is small of mind and spirit.
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As if Tesla or even more so, Elon Musk doesn't have its own "fundamentalists". :rolleyes: The Musk kool-aid is as strong if not stronger than any Apple kool-aid.
 
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He's right though. iPhone, iPad, Watch... first versions weren't refined enough to be compelling, at least to me, and I think I'm an average user.
 
Benjamin Frost said:
Tesla cars, like all electric cars, are totally impractical for everyday use.

When electric cars can be charged from 0%-100% in 2 minutes, when the battery doesn't cost a fortune to replace every few years, when there are charging stations installed in every single parking space and garage, and when the range is 400-600 miles a charge consistently for ten years, then they may take off.

Until then, they are government-subsidised trinkets for rich men with time on their hands.
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Everything about this post is wrong. Except for the implication about price, they aren't cheap. Mouth off after research, not before.
 
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JAT said:
Everything about this post is wrong. Except for the implication about price, they aren't cheap. Mouth off after research, not before.
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Yup. According to him, I'm rich, male, and my car doesn't provide me with the necessary amount of power for my daily routine.

None of those are true. :)
 
Piggie said:
Jesus, you are REALLY in the wrong place if that's how you feel!

I feel the Apple Fans are probably THE largest group of backtrackers I've ever ever seen anywhere.

Large Phone = Stupid
Smaller iPad = Stupid
Stylus = Stupid
Specs never matter EVER. Until Apple has higher specs then IT MATTERS :)

Apple does not make it = it's a dumb idea. I'd never want one. Apple should never make it.
Apple then does make it = Amazing. They have done it right, superb user experience. etc etc.

And so it never ever stops here.
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heh.. are you sure you're not reading something that person A said.. then reading something opposite by person B..
then combining the two together as if they are the same person.
?
 
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Piggie said:
Jesus, you are REALLY in the wrong place if that's how you feel!

I feel the Apple Fans are probably THE largest group of backtrackers I've ever ever seen anywhere.

Large Phone = Stupid
Smaller iPad = Stupid
Stylus = Stupid
Specs never matter EVER. Until Apple has higher specs then IT MATTERS :)

Apple does not make it = it's a dumb idea. I'd never want one. Apple should never make it.
Apple then does make it = Amazing. They have done it right, superb user experience. etc etc.

And so it never ever stops here.
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In all fairness, I do think 4 inches is the perfect size. I just upgraded to the 6s for the specs but sometimes I wish it was easier to use one handed.
 
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flat five said:
heh.. are you sure you're not reading something that person A said.. then reading something opposite by person B..
then combining the two together as if they are the same person.
?
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You will find that there's quite a bunch of people who don't understand the concept of a forum being assembled by several members with different opinions. When you ask them if they can at least show one or two posters that have changed their mind along with Apple's according products, they usually fail miserably. :)
 
PinkyMacGodess said:
I'm not so sure.

These plans to send 'men' to Mars are crazy, in my opinion. We have a 'distant world' right here in our neighborhood, so sending 'men' there would be MY highest priority.

We can get there in 'days', rather than months to years, and we get pretty much the same things to look at, just in a different hue.

Put 'people' on the Moon FIRST, and maybe head to Mars.

Going to Mars is going to be 'expensive', and very probably a one-way-trip. It does seem that it's yet another way for a different division of the Military Industrial Complex to cash in, and fleece the government.

There are so many questions that could be answered by staying in our backyard that could still turn the Moon into a cemetery, if that's what people want...

Is Musk in a position to reap a huge bucket of cash for trying to go to Mars? Yes... But so is everyone tied to that Military Industrial Complex...

But, anyway... Does Musk 'hate' Apple? I think Apple frustrates Musk, and that frustration pops up from time to time.

For example, Musk 'did' electric cars, and was roundly criticized, and here Apple is reportedly 'thinking' about doing a car, and they are being lauded for their efforts. I'm sure it's frustrating. Some of that frustration was evident in his spoken opinions. Perhaps meant as 'tongue in cheek', but it's hard to keep the frustration, and feelings of being whipped by the media out of such statements... They didn't add to the debate, but show where the 'industry' sits.

People will line up to buy the 'iCar', and line up to rip the Tesla. I'd own a Tesla, if I could afford one. I see the need for such transportation in our future. Heck, I would love maglev trains and buses, and Musk is interested in that technology I believe... Were people beating Jobs for his entry into music players, set top boxes, etc?
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You 'overuse' and 'misuse' quotation marks.
 
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I don't think he backtracked on anything. He merely padded his comments. The guy has a strong point. When a lot of yor former employees are showing up at Apple with new jobs you really have to laugh at the situation.
 
Ashf0rd said:
Early macs weren't hits either, they were expensive, reliable machines purchased by what millennials might call "hipsters." That's my experience at least from 3rd parties that have been using Apple products for a long time.

Tesla is in the same position. The technicalities are different but the vox populi seems to tell us that people like Tesla, they like Musk and they would like to buy a Tesla. Plus they would like to work at Tesla too. The current Tesla owners are the same folk that purchased macs before anyone else. Also it's worth noting that Jobs was building a machine for the people, the Model S/X and Roadster were not.

Again, this is based on my experience alone, I have no sources for this but you can probably find some online.
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You're right, computers like the Mac and PC'S in general were not "for the people" in the 1980s, they were way way too expensive for that. In the 10-15K range in 2015 money.

They were in theory for a similar crowd as Tesla... But, not exactly.
I'd say, they the buyers had the same spending power, but were not the same as a whole.
Though, obviously there are a substantial number who were.

Why? Because Tesla is not presenting something that's really new, except how you fill up your tank, while personal computers were something that changed well, everything. There was a certain jump into the unknown for computer users that is not the case for Tesla.

You were buying something very expensive whose usefulness wasn't fully ascertained; buyers could be seen as adventurers, not just hipsters.

A self-driving or semi-autonomous car, or one which integrates with the environment around it to, to increase speed, efficiency, safety; that has a pervasive tech environment that's integrated with the outside world and the rest of your life and makes the car more like an extension of your home/work rather than a mere transport, that would be something pretty different.

That part of the car user experience has a lot more to revolutionize than the drivertrain + energy part (unless battery tech takes a big leap forward).
 
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I generally think it is wrong for an employer to generalize the capability of their employees and broadcast it around the industry. These folks might leave Tesla and be outstanding employees for Apple. How is a guy like Elon Musk to know? These folks could be great for all we know. People have a knack of turning things around and great people do great things at different times in different environments. It is nearly slander when it comes to your career and your objectives and goals. He is only hurting the people who have left his precious company. If I had left Tesla for Apple, I would consider litigation against this guy.

Anyhow... its about controlling the lives of people and likely not Apple vs Tesla. Its time for people to wake up.

(jumping off soapbox)

I will buy a Tesla or an Apple Car, whichever I can get first for 28k. :)
 
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Andres Cantu said:
Typical backtracking from people who are jealous and/or scared of what Apple is capable of and their incredible brand power that has yet to be matched by any other company.

We see this happen all the time, especially recently.
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Right. And every time this happens someone like you steps up to speak out for Apple although he doesn't even belong or get paid by Apple and makes one wondering why he is making the blahblah of two companies his own.
There are so many issues in this world that need everybody's attention and some people rather fight for free for their favorite brand. Just sad.
 
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Keirasplace said:
You're right, computers like the Mac and PC'S in general were not "for the people" in the 1980s, they were way way too expensive for that. In the 10-15K range in 2015 money.

They were in theory for a similar crowd as Tesla... But, not exactly.
I'd say, they the buyers had the same spending power, but were not the same as a whole.
Though, obviously there are a substantial number who were.

Why? Because Tesla is not presenting something that's really new, except how you fill up your tank, while personal computers were something that changed well, everything. There was a certain jump into the unknown for computer users that is not the case for Tesla.

You were buying something very expensive whose usefulness wasn't fully ascertained; buyers could be seen as adventurers, not just hipsters.

A self-driving or semi-autonomous car, or one which integrates with the environment around it to, to increase speed, efficiency, safety; that has a pervasive tech environment that's integrated with the outside world and the rest of your life and makes the car more like an extension of your home/work rather than a mere transport, that would be something pretty different.

That part of the car user experience has a lot more to revolutionize than the drivertrain + energy part (unless battery tech takes a big leap forward).
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Telsa has autopilot software in beta and should be released next month.

http://gas2.org/2015/08/28/tesla-version-7-0-with-autopilot/

Every Tesla manufactured since November 2014 has the auto pilot hardware built in. It's $3k to activate it.
 
anomie said:
Right. And every time this happens someone like you steps up to speak out for Apple although he doesn't even belong or get paid by Apple and makes one wondering why he is making the blahblah of two companies his own.
There are so many issues in this world that need everybody's attention and some people rather fight for free for their favorite brand. Just sad.
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First of all, you're absolutely correct that there are much bigger issues in this world. However, I post in MacRumors to discuss Apple products, not fight for justice. What's sad is that you expect others to bring "issues in this world that need everybody's attention" in forums about technology. THAT is sad.

I'll fight for Apple any day because I know they fight for the environment, disaster reliefs, AIDS, and other causes, but I don't expect you to comprehend that.
 
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