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Elon said "Regarding the watch, Jony & his team created a beautiful design, but the functionality isn't compelling yet. By version 3, it will be."

What an idiotic and placating statement. I now know for sure that he is a jerk. A wealthy jerk to be sure. But still a jerk.



Why? For speaking the truth? There aren't any compelling apps yet for the Apple Watch and it's not winning many customers because of that.

And I say that as I guy who plans to buy one this weekend! I want to be an early adopter and may program apps for it.

But all the objective analysts have noted the lack of must-have functionality...even journalists at MacWorld!

YOU. ARE. SO. FRAGILE. to take offense at Elon's comments.
 
Are you kidding? Do you know who Elon Musk is? I'm guessing from your comment that the answer is no. The man has nothing to be "jealous" of. If you're someone who idolized Steve Jobs, you should know that Elon Musk is cut out of exactly the same mold.
Well, you guessed wrong. Please search this forum for the post where I answer a similar question and then get back to me.
 
FWIW,

I own a small company that deals a bit with Tesla - since before the first car, the 2 seat roadster.

We typically deal with the engineers who order our products. The nature of our business is that many items are custom, especially for Tesla, as the design and implementation is a bit of trial & error for their applications at this time. Our other customers, especially Aerospace, designs have been worked out decades before and are fairly static.

We also deal with SpaceX (for same products). Less so, but they seem to have higher level of engineers, and less turnover.

I don't feel comfortable naming the products & services we sell, and in any case I don't think its relevant to my comments.

At least with our limited experience, there is a high turn-over with engineers @ Tesla. Might not be true overall for the company. But high enough it has surprised me a bit. Perhaps thats in general true for Silicon valley? We deal with a bunch of the other electric vehicles, such as Brammo and there is far more stability in those companies. However, they are also much smaller & I imagine face different challenges, certainly not Stock market related issues.

Many of the engineers we work with are young and aggressive - ladder moving I suppose. But I would say very inexperienced as well. Im not an engineer per se - my background is in Physics - but Im essentially an engineer at this point in the game. The advantage of working at a traditional auto company - say BMW, is the mentoring and resources one can access. For example, wire harness designs. Tesla is just too young to have that type of advantage, certainly not one that would permeate the entire engineering departments. Of course, that doesn't hinder them in other areas, such as response time, etc, that challenge mature manufactures.

The nature of our business is that we also deal with Detroit Auto, and traditional Aerospace, such as Lockheed, General Dynamics, Boeing, etc. Most of our business is in this sector. We enjoy working with Tesla, because its *new*, and interesting Their requirements are pushing us to re-evalute, and in some respects re-design our products.
Also, its a consumer product, that while currently can't afford a Model S, I will never be able to purchase a F-18, so that does add a compelling aspect in working with them.

With regards to Detroit and Aerospace, much different culture. First much more stability in turn-over, and in general, more experienced engineers. That doesn't mean Tesla isn't innovating - as clearly they are. But that says more about the staid nature of mature industrial manufacturers, then it does about the talent.

I've been wondering when Apple will contact us - there is a good chance given our expertise and lack of alternative products, that they have to come to us at some point. We don't make fusion drives or anything even close to that! But anyone dealing with wire harness, power generation, electrical resistance needs a company like us.

I assumed that Apple would leach engineers away from Tesla, and anyone else for that matter. That's how things work, especially in Silicon Valley. Sounds to me that Musk is just a tad sensitive to this reality. Once the other companies, especially ones that have greater resources jump in, its not guarantee Tesla will survive.

My two cents. Prob worth less :)

Disclaimer - I own 2015 Honda Accord EX-L, bummed it did not come with carplay (i was under the illusion it might, or would be via upgrade), and the integration with Siri and iPhone is disappointing. I'd love to have that Tesla 17" flat screen for my infotainment system.
 
How are you a "small company" yet have business from all those companies?

FWIW,

I own a small company that deals a bit with Tesla - since before the first car, the 2 seat roadster.

We typically deal with the engineers who order our products. The nature of our business is that many items are custom, especially for Tesla, as the design and implementation is a bit of trial & error for their applications at this time. Our other customers, especially Aerospace, designs have been worked out decades before and are fairly static.

We also deal with SpaceX (for same products). Less so, but they seem to have higher level of engineers, and less turnover.

I don't feel comfortable naming the products & services we sell, and in any case I don't think its relevant to my comments.

At least with our limited experience, there is a high turn-over with engineers @ Tesla. Might not be true overall for the company. But high enough it has surprised me a bit. Perhaps thats in general true for Silicon valley? We deal with a bunch of the other electric vehicles, such as Brammo and there is far more stability in those companies. However, they are also much smaller & I imagine face different challenges, certainly not Stock market related issues.

Many of the engineers we work with are young and aggressive - ladder moving I suppose. But I would say very inexperienced as well. Im not an engineer per se - my background is in Physics - but Im essentially an engineer at this point in the game. The advantage of working at a traditional auto company - say BMW, is the mentoring and resources one can access. For example, wire harness designs. Tesla is just too young to have that type of advantage, certainly not one that would permeate the entire engineering departments. Of course, that doesn't hinder them in other areas, such as response time, etc, that challenge mature manufactures.

The nature of our business is that we also deal with Detroit Auto, and traditional Aerospace, such as Lockheed, General Dynamics, Boeing, etc. Most of our business is in this sector. We enjoy working with Tesla, because its *new*, and interesting Their requirements are pushing us to re-evalute, and in some respects re-design our products.
Also, its a consumer product, that while currently can't afford a Model S, I will never be able to purchase a F-18, so that does add a compelling aspect in working with them.

With regards to Detroit and Aerospace, much different culture. First much more stability in turn-over, and in general, more experienced engineers. That doesn't mean Tesla isn't innovating - as clearly they are. But that says more about the staid nature of mature industrial manufacturers, then it does about the talent.

I've been wondering when Apple will contact us - there is a good chance given our expertise and lack of alternative products, that they have to come to us at some point. We don't make fusion drives or anything even close to that! But anyone dealing with wire harness, power generation, electrical resistance needs a company like us.

I assumed that Apple would leach engineers away from Tesla, and anyone else for that matter. That's how things work, especially in Silicon Valley. Sounds to me that Musk is just a tad sensitive to this reality. Once the other companies, especially ones that have greater resources jump in, its not guarantee Tesla will survive.

My two cents. Prob worth less :)

Disclaimer - I own 2015 Honda Accord EX-L, bummed it did not come with carplay (i was under the illusion it might, or would be via upgrade), and the integration with Siri and iPhone is disappointing. I'd love to have that Tesla 17" flat screen for my infotainment system.
 
How are you a "small company" yet have business from all those companies?

2 million/year. Many of our products are 1-2k (some are more than 20, but low sales). Lockheed has many installations, some might buy new product, but at this point we sell repair parts, some accessories.

We are definitely a niche company. 2 million/year is pretty small for a manufacturer; we are quite vulnerable to economic cycles, in the sense that when sales drop 10-20%, we face issues such as layoffs. Yet we don't have more than 20 people, so losing one person is difficult. Machining equipment has enabled us to increase productivity, and we are small enough that no Chinese companies (yet) have considered knocking us off. Not true for some of our competitors, who offer a wider array of products than we do.

For Aerospace, there are Military and Automotive specifications, currently custodian by SAE, which in many cases specify American mfg (security), which gives smaller companies such as mine a little more cushion.

Anyway, think Job shop, but we have fairly unique product that is written into specifications, primarily Aerospace specifications. The cost for a company like Boeing to change docs is enormous not to mention logistics of making certain every Airline and Airline maintenance company receives updated literature. Its true that there is updated, FAA mandated doc updates, but these are usually concerned with avionics, engines, etc.
 
People get pissed off all the time. He wants to apologise for his potentially offensive post, so he did. If he didn't, people say he's an ass. He did apologise, so people say he's an ass. **** logic am I right? :rolleyes:
 
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"I'm concerned more with changing the world and less with profit."

- Things Said by Rich People

Look into him, do a little bit of research. He's actually one of the most plausible CEO's around given an expected level of corruption.
 
What... Apple watch is a ok product in a world of crappy products. And re-read my post, I said it wasn't a game changer, but that doesn't mean it isn't successful. And sorry, Apple's revenue growth has come from taking an amazing product line and focusing on new markets like China.

And BEST CEO? What has he done? Rose gold? I guess that is innovation that deserves best CEO. Sorry, I agree with Musk and the plethora of people on here who are open to critique Apple. If anything, Apple's products have played the same game plan they always have... incremental enhancements (which is what makes OSX so awesome and stable). But this incremental strategy has allowed other companies to gamble and leap frog ahead. To be honest, I think 3d touch has lots of potential, but I think think Apple has become quite conservative.

I think Nardella or Musk have done much more then Tim, given Tim took over a golden egg. Anyways.. to each there own. I've jumped to Roku, Chrome Cast, and now looking at Android phones after being in the Apple Ecosystem for 15 years. I'm open to whoever provides the best product....

You know what's funny, Apple's board and major shareholders are no doubt MUCH more harsh, we're talking ridiculous sums of money and an industry where a tiny mistake could bury you.
 
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Somehow i had a feeling he would leave that information out. People read a single one sided article and proceed to spread nonsense to others who'll take it at face value, then do the same.
Exactly. One of the "negative" points about the PowerWall base price was that it didn't include the expensive inverter. That was the headline. Of course, no one who has solar needs an inverter since it already exists with any installation. Tesla knows this. Especially since Musk is on the board of SolarCity.

What's even more ironic is all this nonsense is coming on an Apple site. Tesla is using the exact same playbook as Apple did with the iPhone. Provide a compelling and revolutionary first generation product (with some missing features) to the rich and then come out with an affordable more complete product later.

The iPhone 1 didn't have 3G, MMS, cut and paste, etc. and it was $599 with a contract. But enough people bought them that future versions could be built.

When I first drove a Tesla, it feels just like using an iPhone for the first time. Everything else is instantly obsolete.
 
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In what way is it an "unusual position" for Apple? Did Apple not hire people with mobile phone expertise when they were developing the iPhone?

Just although advanced, a phone is just a miniturisation of tech in a manufacturing field they are highly knowledgeable about. The automotive industry is so vastly different, Apple is starting from scratch.

One might argue that Tesla is the best in the industry, so Apple having to poach employees from them is a more unusual position for them.

What I hope is the Apple car is more than we envision. Everyone expected the iPhone to be an iPod (with click wheel) and an extra number pad to dial with, and it was so much more. I hope this Apple Car is more than a BMW i3 with a new shell and cameras for crash avoidance.
 
Off-topic, this Elon Musk is just another rich guy, who doesn't know what is doing, and doesn't deserve to be their..and have that power, if Steve Jobs had an aerospace company, he will already have send people to Titan, Mars? seriously..we're in 2015..and we're still talking about Mars, we gonna send people to Mars.. why? nobody gives a $it, except probably rich people?, and speaking of the Tesla car, no thanks..i rather buy a Lamborghini with that money, even if i was rich, i still won't buy it..i care and i respect planet Earth, but i don't like being stupid either
Elon if want impress me, than at least send a probe to Titan
 
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Are you saying Republicans are guilty of IP theft?

No. I think that the post I was replying to was deleted, and possibly mine too.

Politics is a nasty thing. No wonder people have referred to it as a 'sausage factory'. You really don't want to know how they really do it...

But it was wildly off topic...

Actually it wasn't, at least my post. I got a message from management that a post of mine had been deleted because the thread that I replied to had been deleted. Hmm. Can't remember what it was...

Carry on...
 
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Off-topic, this Elon Musk is just another rich guy, who doesn't know what is doing, and doesn't deserve to be their..and have that power, if Steve Jobs had an aerospace company, he will already have send people to Titan, Mars? seriously..we're in 2015..and we're still talking about Mars, we gonna send people to Mars.. why? nobody gives a $it, except probably rich people?, and speaking of the Tesla car, no thanks..i rather buy a Lamborghini with that money, even if i was rich, i still won't buy it..i care and i respect planet Earth, but i don't like being stupid either
Elon if want impress me, than at least send a probe to Titan

Not sure if Troll or Stupid.
 
Musk should not be afraid of Apple's rumored foray into the self-drive car world, Apple can't even get their rumoured super TV off the ground, never mind beat Google with their own streetmap offering. A year after the watch, I dunno. In fact, since the iPhone, Apple has not produced a Jesus product. The ipad is really a offshoot of the iPhone. Elon, you are way ahead.
 
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I don't think it'll ever be relevant even by version 3. It's one of those google glass type products, they sound good on paper and geeks think it's the second coming but the reality is you look like you need to go and are rude looking at your watch all the time, that will never change. It's the social context of using an smart watch that makes it fail. Google glass failed because sticking a camera on your face is intrusive on others, it's compounded by glasses being uncool!

There would need to be a fundamental shift in the way people perceive the watch for it to become a social norm. I promise you in 5 gens, apple will drop the apple watch all together.

By the end of year 3, they'll be selling at a 40M a year clip (they'll probably do 12-15M the first year), so I think year 100% wrong; unless 40M a year is "nothing".
 
His face. It's something about his face. It's very punchable. And the fact he acts like a douche further adds to that.

Good thing he backtracked. It seems to be a trend now.
Wow. I just had to look back at my post and see how immature that was. I would like to apologize about what I said. It made no sense at all. Sorry.

And Elon Musk is a good guy. I don't hate / dislike, Elon. He is a great CEO with a lot of expertise under his belt.
 
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I never "took away your rights" to say whatever you want. But if you say something incorrect expect to be called out on it. If you say something hypocritical, expect to be called out on it.

Classless? Get out of here. Take a look at any interview this guy has done. He's full of class. Classless compared to who? Steve Jobs? Who's had mixed reviews as to what type of person he was in business? Am I saying that takes away from Steve's accomplishments, no. But he certainly wasn't "classy" by any definition of the word. So why are you trying to use that against Musk? He's not classless, he's visibly and understandably upset. And even if he were. What do you define as "classy" -- unethically approaching another company's employees and enticing them to quit their jobs there and come work for you? Yeah, real classy move by Apple.

Get a freaking clue.

Huh! approaching employees is not unethical or classless at all.
If you want them to stay, pay them better, give them more benefits, treat them better.
Otherwise, he should shut the hell up.

in fact Apple, Google and many companies in Silicon Valley where sued in court because they had agreed NOT TO APPPROACH employees in other companies and LOST. Not approaching other employees is considered anti-competitive from the employees point of view, diminishing their compensation and upward mobility.

If employees employees have little loyalty its because you don't deserve it, or didn't pay for it; blame yourself and not the competition.
 
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