Elon Musk Claims Apple Has 'Mostly Stopped' Offering Ads on Twitter and Is Making Moderation Demands

[gank41]

Thats the thing. Now that his Twitter account is active again and can see what was all said, their argument has no value.

That's because those tweets have been deleted. Here's a better place to look:

Trump Twitter Archive

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Here's a couple good Tweets of his:




Also, due to his deal with Truth Social, he's most likely limited to what he can post on other Social Media networks, Facebook and anything else maybe, too.

 

[teh_hunterer]

A general amnesty that unbans people banned for hate-speech isn't enough for you?

That's your politics, not fact. I don't think hate speech exists in any legally enforceable way. So what compromise is there for us?

Just let Twitter be censored as little as possible. Why should people be banned for something that essentially half of people don't even recognise?

 

[neliason]

No such thing at all.
The are simply refusing to have anything to do with Nazi media, Apple has the same approach to Porn.
Your free speech has NOT been hampered, you can go onto the site via a web browser, and if you can't then the fault lies entirely with Twitter.
Apple is under no obligation to support your desires, nor are they stopping free speech.

Nazi Media? You seriously think Twitter is now Nazi Media? What makes someone a Nazi? Because, the Nazi leftist political party doesn’t exist anymore. What Is the basis for your determination? What facts do you have that lead you to this conclusion?

 

[dwaite]

No, you're talking about the first amendment. The first amendment is not synonymous with the concept of free speech.

Everyone should be in favor of free speech in online discourse.

Please define what you think freedom of speech is outside of protections from governmental action.

 

[JM]

God do I miss the good ol’ times of msn messenger, Napster and weekly tv shows episodes from the 90s. This whole tech era is destroying the very fabric of social life. Good thing I got a choice and have agency. Nature is on the menu tomorrow and the day after as well. Good night. Be nice to each other. Timeout!

An alternative theory… Musk bought Twitter to drive it into the ground to save humanity 🤣

 

[1557750]

Sorry, everyone. This thread can’t hold anymore sewage. It could blow at any moment.

Please find your nearest port-a-potty and continue your business there. Thank you.

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[mthomas184]

Keep in mind, I said nothing of inheritance, you did. I ask again, are you saying he had no advantages and is purely self-made? If so, your liberal status is glowing.

OK, so you didn't say he inherited it, but plenty of others have said it in this thread so far.

What advantages do you think he had? Coming from a wealthy family? Everything that I listed you in that timeline has nothing to do with who he came from. So what advantages?

Just to be clear, you think Elon Musk, whose parents benefited from apartheid in South Africa had no advantages? And further, you think his investments in companies such as Tesla are evidence of his genius and self-made status?

Had he not invested in Tesla, for example, it more than likely would not be the Tesla of today. I guarantee it.

How anyone can make the argument that he is NOT a self made billionaire baffles me. Starting off writing a game and selling it for $500 and taking off from there. But yeah, he's not self made.

 

[teh_hunterer]

If Twitter is further publishing user content which is outright illegal, Apple and Google are not going to want any liability for such things, nor are they going to want their reputation affected by allowing things like child pornography and hate speech on their platform.

Unfortunately, the people at Twitter who could have explained this to Elon were all likely fired. These are the same rules the various App Stores apply to everyone.

You do realise that the standards you're proposing here are purely political and started being parroted around only 5 minutes ago?

The Taliban is/was on Twitter for Christ's sake. Where was your moral outrage before?

 

[APlotdevice]

and Elon is using his free speech to let us all know, what's the problem.

Musk is edging dangerously close to libel, which according the the SCOTUS is not covered under the First Amendment…

 

[vipergts2207]

The point is Twitter ban prior to Elon was very one sided.

You are the one claiming that Elon is spreading hate when he unbanned accounts.

Interesting, please quote this statement that I supposedly made. Otherwise I expect you to edit your post so as to not be a blatant lie.

 

[Kierkegaarden]

I’m assuming there is some kind of moderation on Twitter. What level does Apple determine to be adequate or inadequate? If this is obscure, and Apple does drop Twitter from the App Store, doesn’t everyone see a problem with this? And wouldn't this come back and bite Apple at some point?

 

[LogicalApex]

The first ammendment guarantees free speech. It is not in and of itself free speech. My goodness, this is BASIC knowledge.

Everybody should be in favor of ensuring we have the same rights online as we do in the physical world. If you’re not in favor of such a basic human right, then you’ve got something nefarious up your sleeve. Full stop.

That’s the thing. You do have the same rights online that you have offline. You can go onto the NHTSA website and post your life’s monologue or espouse your absolute hate for the Interstate Highway System in their form seeking public input on allowing automatic high beams… The government can’t say no. So they’ll accept it. Put it into the official record. So forth and so on.

You can’t go onto a random website and do the same as you could be kicked or banned. But a private website isn’t the Government...

If you come into my house and start spouting racist nonsense if I’m in a good mood I’ll kindly show you the door. If I’m in a bad mood I’ll pop you in the mouth and show you the door to crawl toward. You’re free to spout whatever you want and I’m free to help you feel the gravity of those words. I’m not the government and I’m not required to endure your filth.

But thanks for letting me know you are confident in your lack of understanding of basic concepts.

 

[JM]

“How’s the thread going, JM?”

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“Oh okay”

 

[dwaite]

Why does Apple think they have the right to influence speech on other peoples' platforms? This is a clear overreach and abuse of power. Twitter has not violated any terms of service. Permitting normal speech online is a good thing. It's crazy to me that leftists are so opposed to normal, mainstream viewpoints being shared online. Yikes.

They don't. However, they can:

1. not advertise on Twitter
2. not promote Twitter to Apple customers
3. not keep Twitter in the App Store

Just like Parler, Twitter can go be pure web until they (re-)figure out how to take care of their compliance with domestic and international laws around things like privacy, hate speech and copyright.

 

[APlotdevice]

You do realise that the standards you're proposing here are purely political and started being parroted around only 5 minutes ago?

The Taliban is/was on Twitter for Christ's sake. Where was your moral outrage before?

Yes, Twitter used to have very lack policies in fact. I mean let’s be honest here, Twitter reveled in that crap. All that toxicity brought them so many views and so much ad revenue in the process! But then they had to start cracking down after incidents like January 6.

 

[SgtPepper12]

Please define what you think freedom of speech is outside of protections from governmental action.

Freedom of speech doesn't just refer to a legal concept, but also to an ideal (a metaphysical commitment if you will), the belief that as little constraints to speech as we can afford will lead to an optimal consensus.

 

[nikhsub1]

Source: trust me bro

You probably think Musk started Tesla too.

 

[nylon]

To be honest I think Elon is a visionary when it comes to Tesla and SpaceX. However, I'm quite surprised that people have fallen for Elon's charade that this is about 'free speech' rather than the obvious fact that he waived 'due diligence' in his purchase agreement with Twitter and spent $44bn on a company that was worth $10bn at the most. Now he's up it given he's alluded to the possibility that Twitter may go bankrupt.

Spending $44bn on a company worth $10bn at the most will upset even the smartest person on the planet. To use someone else's analogy, it's like he bought a toilet and thinks the problem is that people don't defecate enough in it. Now he's increased the defecation rate and is upset that advertisers don't want their ads showing up next to the faeces. Fundamentally, this isn't an issue about 'free speech' as much as he would like you to believe it is.

 

[Fidget08]

You really can tell those that align with fascism in these comments. Yikes.

EDIT: This comment really hurt some feelings. Wonder why...

 

[mthomas184]

You probably think Musk started Tesla too.

I know a lot of people who think that too.

However, without Musk, Tesla more than likely would not be the Tesla we have today.

 

[steve09090]

Nazi Media? You seriously think Twitter is now Nazi Media? What makes someone a Nazi? Because, the Nazi leftist political party doesn’t exist anymore. What Is the basis for your determination? What facts do you have that lead you to this conclusion?

That makes no sense. Since when has it been left wing? Do you even understand what it is?

 

[Canadia69]

Reading all ur comments is sad. Apple should support free speech. God bless elon

 

[teh_hunterer]

Thanks for showing us that you aren't to be engaged with seriously. You are dangerous though, and I take that seriously.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but:

You can do better than that. If you can't argue with someone, improve your argument. Claiming that someone is dangerous just because they don't agree with you is a pretty childish response.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

You really can tell those that align with fascism in these comments. Yikes.

Yep those in favor of removing the app just because of who owns it, they definitely fit that word.

^^^^^This is a joke meant to mock the original idea. I do not think that is fascism. This wasn't clear to some people^^^^^

I know who you meant but it again shows that nobody knows what that word means anymore.

BTW to the person earlier in the thread that said nobody is calling anyone a "buzzword of the day" without a reason, here is your proof that they are.

@cocky jeremy here we go!

 

[hans1972]

Please, Apple and Google have their own issues in human rights to worry about. And they don't seem to mind the Taliban being on twitter. How come that's ok?

So, has the Taliban tweeted anything against the rules of Twitter?