Elon Musk Claims Apple Has 'Mostly Stopped' Offering Ads on Twitter and Is Making Moderation Demands

[Robert.Walter]

Let’s be real. The left doesn’t like any speech that disagrees with their viewpoint and they want to shut it down.

Let’s be real real.

Musk talks radical openness but bans folks who criticize or make fun of him.

He wants to reserve the right to determine who can play on his platform and ban those he doesn’t personally like but doesn’t like it if apple applies only the first rule to him.

He used to appear to be a genius, but nowadays he appears to not only a petulant adolescent jackass but also he’s also a hypocritical idiot.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Or do you prefer it with the hate?

with hate, no question about it.

I remember when the Internet was hailed as the future specifically because no one “can control what is said on it.”

 

[thettareddast]

Corporations exist to make money. All Twitter and Apple care about, in aggregate and at the very top level, is to make money.

Twitter’s way to make money was to make the platform as clean and advertiser-friendly as it could. Thats what drives policies and decisions, not politics.

At the level of an individual action - like whether to ban an account - there is much more personal bias. And Silicon Valley being undeniably politically-biased, its bound to create an impression that the entire company itself is like some sentient entity with an agenda.

This is why there are apparent hypocrisy like Apple projecting an image of progressiveness, while acquiescing to the CCP, or using Xinjiang labor in their supply chain. Its not so much intentional….its just how things play out.

For his part, Musk has always done things his way. That means unconventional and unpopular ideas, pursued doggedly, with fast iteration. And its always worked.

Twitter was not a financially successful company. Its getting the Musk treatment now. Like it or not, you should be a bit wiser to acknowledge theres probably a bit of method to the madness than just a guy silencing his ‘enemies’ or blowing a $44b hole in his wallet just for fun. Although fun seems to be a part of it.

 

[thettareddast]

Musk talks radical openness but bans folks who criticize or make fun of him.

If you believe this, you have never seen twitter.

 

[Robert.Walter]

with hate, no question about it.

I remember when the Internet was hailed as the future specifically because no one “can control what is said on it.”

But that was long before the basement dwelling mouth breathers with their racism showed up.

 

[Robert.Walter]

If you believe this, you have never seen twitter.

Been a heavy Twitter user since 2009.

 

[ForkHandles]

FRIENDLY REMINDER: Free speech only means the government cannot jail you. It is not a 100% consequence-free move.

EDIT: smack that disagree all you want, you damn well know I’m right.

It must be a perennial PITA that your fellow countrymen take a text like the 1A, Edit it, abbreviate it and then misapply it to everything!
From my reading as an Englishman you are of course dead right.

Same, same but different for 2A

 

[yaxomoxay]

But that was long before the basement dwelling mouth breathers with their racism showed up.

Doesn’t matter. I still prefer for the internet to be a place in which people can express their love or pure hatred for whatever they want.

 

[Robert.Walter]

Corporations exist to make money. All Twitter and Apple care about, in aggregate and at the very top level, is to make money.

Twitter’s way to make money was to make the platform as clean and advertiser-friendly as it could. Thats what drives policies and decisions, not politics.

At the level of an individual action - like whether to ban an account - there is much more personal bias. And Silicon Valley being undeniably politically-biased, its bound to create an impression that the entire company itself is like some sentient entity with an agenda.

This is why there are apparent hypocrisy like Apple projecting an image of progressiveness, while acquiescing to the CCP, or using Xinjiang labor in their supply chain. Its not so much intentional….its just how things play out.

For his part, Musk has always done things his way. That means unconventional and unpopular ideas, pursued doggedly, with fast iteration. And its always worked.

Twitter was not a financially successful company. It’s getting the Musk treatment now. Like it or not, you should be a bit wiser to acknowledge theres probably a bit of method to the madness than just a guy silencing his ‘enemies’ or blowing a $44b hole in his wallet just for fun. Although fun seems to be a part of it.

Cool Musk Twitter motivation story, but except for he tried to cancel the deal.

 

[topdrawer]

with hate, no question about it.

I remember when the Internet was hailed as the future specifically because no one “can control what is said on it.”

i don't remember that.

 

[KPOM]

Meanwhile, according to Eddie Cue, a cardinal rule at Apple is never to offend the Chinese government.

 

[steve09090]

Doesn’t matter. I still prefer for the internet to be a place in which people can express their love or pure hatred for whatever they want.

Fortunately, that's a massive minority, even if it is the vocal minority. I believe people generally prefer to be happy, or is that just me?

 

[thettareddast]

Even outside of the law you do not and should not be able to force me to help you make speech with my resources that I own. Is that better for you?

You are naive to think this is about Musk compelling Apple to ‘help Twitter make speech’.

 

[KPOM]

You have a short memory.

 

[KPOM]

He’s got 10 kids.

Omfg Elon you loser incel SHUT THE **** UP

 

[yaxomoxay]

Fortunately, that's a massive minority, even if it is the vocal minority. I believe people generally prefer to be happy, or is that just me?

I prefer to be happy, as I am sure most people do. However, being able to express hate for something (racists, AMBLA, war, Putin, terrorists, the US Flag, whatever) is the among most important human activities together with being able to express love.

 

[KPOM]

But that was long before the basement dwelling mouth breathers with their racism showed up.

Who cares? Free speech rights are specifically to preserve the right to be controversial and offensive.

 

[thettareddast]

Been a heavy Twitter user since 2009.

So there should be minimal to no criticism or making fun of Musk left on the platform, right?

Like prominent multi-million-follow accounts?

 

[dwaite]

Exactly the thought I had when reading about the advertisers leaving: they are businesses worried that it will affect their brand image by staying involved (INCLUDING Apple). Why would any business want to stick around for all the chaos Musk buying Twitter has caused in the “public” society.

Another (I suspect lesser) influence - if you have reduced discretionary spending by consumers due to economic downturn, it will often affect marketing spend. Elon has given marketing departments a great justification to suspend their Twitter programs.

 

[aevan]

I hope Musk does develop his own phone and take some business away from Tim Cook and his censorship practices.

I hope he develops a phone, too. I can see it now:

- He buys a company that makes phones, to make his phone.
- He fires the one team that knew how to make the phones.
- He asks for code screenshots from his software engineers while asking them to be hardcore and stuff, which results in half of them quitting.
- He blames the media, woke culture and people who are not hard-core enough for his failure.
- Despite all this, his company manages to produce a phone, weirdly.
- He advertises it as “the free speech phone”. His app store doesn’t “censor” developers and there is no moderation or app review.
- In turn, this means the phone can easily be hacked and there is a ton of spyware for the phone. Not only because there is almost no app review, but also because he fired most of the software engineers who worked on privacy and security.
- Musk fans who bought the phone have their private data stolen, often with serious consequences.
- Almost no major app is on the platform, because they don’t want to participate in this trainwreck. Also, there are openly fascist apps there, and no respectable company wants to be seen in that crowd.
- The phone also sucks, but that’s the least of it’s problems.
- Apple ends up selling more iPhones in one hour than Musk phone sells in three months.
- After these three months, EU bans sales of Musk’s phone on their territory, USA and UK have multiple investigations ongoing.
- The whole thing collapses spectacularly in just four months and Musk claims “it was all just for lulz anyway”.

So, yeah, I’d love to see all that. I hope he makes a phone.

 

[Robert.Walter]

Doesn’t matter. I still prefer for the internet to be a place in which people can express their love or pure hatred for whatever they want.

They can express it in some darknet corner. It doesn’t have to be in the popular areas. One may be able to state crackpot hateful ideas on the street corner but not in a private business. That is essentially the same as what’s going on here.

 

[topdrawer]

He’s got 10 kids.

you don't need to be a virgin to be celibate.

 

[steve09090]

Who cares? Free speech rights are specifically to preserve the right to be controversial and offensive.

Rubbish.

And Apple, owning the rights to iOS is entitled to moderate its software in the same way as Macrumors moderate this site.

 

[yaxomoxay]

They can express it in some darknet corner. It doesn’t have to be in the popular areas. One may be able to state crackpot hateful ideas on the street corner but not in a private business. That is essentially the same as what’s going on here.

That’s another discussion. Someone asked if the preference is an internet with or without hate. I prefer an internet in which hate is possible, and I recognize the right of any platform to decide if they allow it or no. If hateful speech (however one defines it, I am sure that if you ask Iranians they will say different things than Israeli) is fully banned then a bigger problem will arise.

 

[Robert.Walter]

I hope he develops a phone, too. I can see it now:

- He buys a company that makes phones, to make his phone.
- He fires the one team that knew how to make the phones.
- He asks for code screenshots from his software engineers while asking them to be hardcore and stuff, which results in half of them quitting.
- He blames the media, woke culture and people who are not hard-core enough for his failure.
- Despite all this, his company manages to produce a phone, weirdly.
- He advertises it as “the free speech phone”. His app store doesn’t “censor” developers and there is no moderation or app review.
- In turn, this means the phone can easily be hacked and there is a ton of spyware for the phone. Not only because there is almost no app review, but also because he fired most of the software engineers who worked on privacy and security.
- Musk fans who bought the phone have their private data stolen, often with serious consequences.
- Almost no major app is on the platform, because they don’t want to participate in this trainwreck. Also, there are openly fascist apps there, and no respectable company wants to be seen in that crowd.
- The phone also sucks, but that’s the least of it’s problems.
- Apple ends up selling more iPhones in one hour than Musk phone sells in three months.
- After these three months, EU bans sales of Musk’s phone on their territory, USA and UK have multiple investigations ongoing.
- The whole thing collapses spectacularly in just four months and Musk claims “it was all just for lulz anyway”.

So, yeah, I’d love to see all that. I hope he makes a phone.

This reads like prophesy. I hope it comes to pass.