Elon Musk Claims Apple Has 'Mostly Stopped' Offering Ads on Twitter and Is Making Moderation Demands

[vipergts2207]

Obliviously you miss read the "your" statement, "your" was in reference to anyone posting, not mine in particular. And if you post the opposite in the r/conservative section you will be downvoted and most like removed. Hence, the comment "regardless of what subreddit you are in".

Maybe don't take is so personnel when someone calls one of your favorite social media platforms a crap show. As it is a crap show.

I get it, you want to be able to spread your views wherever you please regardless of whether the people occupying that space (or subreddit in this case) want you there or not. It's called freedom of association. If you post views antithetical to a group of people who own a space, don't be surprised when they kick you out. This includes posting liberal views in r/conservative. You sound like one of those people who constantly talk about how much they hate Reddit, on Reddit.

 

[Bawstun]

More users with less ads means more cost with less revenue. Most of those new registrations are alt-right maga folks, no one wants to advertise to jingoistic right wing nationalists except the people in their own echo chamber - and I dont think the my pillow guy is a decent substitute for Apple re:advertising dollars

The irony of thinking free speech and the return of conservatives will create an echo chamber. Is it not lost on you, that that’s exactly what Twitter was creating, by force? They even literally interfered in the 2020 United States presidential elections by force. *They* created their own echo chamber, Musk is just restoring fairness and normalcy, from tyranny.

 

[Bawstun]

Here is someone he recently let back on twitter. Seems like a cool dude, you know, all that free speech.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597430993161719809

And Twitter banned the sitting president of the United States of America while simultaneously allowing the Taliban to tweet about killing homosexuals and blowing up America. So let’s let that sink in.

Free speech means free speech. You can’t disallow speech just because you don’t necessarily like it or agree with it. That isn’t how life works

 

[rhett7660]

I get it, you want to be able to spread your views wherever you please regardless of whether the people occupying that space (or subreddit in this case) want you there or not. It's called freedom of association. If you post views antithetical to a group of people who own a space, don't be surprised when they kick you out. This includes posting liberal views in r/conservative.

Well to be fair, I don't post in reddit in any of those spaces... So no, I don't care. It was merely an observation as I have seen it done way to many times in most of the sub's that make up the front page. And no I don't spread my views anywhere thank you very much... Again, don't take it personal when someone calls something you like a crap show.

I guess you are having a hard time understanding that it was an observation.

 

[nikhsub1]

And Twitter banned the sitting president of the United States of America while simultaneously allowing the Taliban to tweet about killing homosexuals and blowing up America. So let’s let that sink in.

Free speech means free speech. You can’t disallow speech just because you don’t necessarily like it or agree with it. That isn’t how life works

Um yeah they banned the melted circus peanut because he incited a violent insurrection where 5 people were killed. Let that sink in.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

And Twitter banned the sitting president of the United States of America while simultaneously allowing the Taliban to tweet about killing homosexuals and blowing up America. So let’s let that sink in.

And banned him without him actually posting anything that violated the TOS. That was confirmed when his account was restored and his final tweets became visible.

 

[vipergts2207]

Well to be fair, I don't post in reddit in any of those spaces... So no, I don't care. It was merely an observation as I have seen it done way to many times in most of the sub's that make up the front page. And no I don't spread my views anywhere thank you very much... Again, don't take it personal when someone calls something you like a crap show.

Again, freedom of association. If you don't like a sub's views, front page or not, you can make your own. By that same token if they don't like your views, they can give you the boot. Presumably you don't have a problem with any of this.

 

[seek3r]

How would you or I have any idea whether or not the Washington Post has editorial independence?

Musk fired people because Twitter has been hemorrhaging money and a major part of that was increasing payroll costs. They managed to lose 1.136 BILLION dollars in 2020 while everyone was sitting around at home on smartphones and their computers. In 2021 they only managed to lose 221 million dollars. The bloat at Twitter was real and the shareholders should've forced out the CEO for NOT cutting their payroll significantly over the past two years.

Anyway my point was a reaction to multiple left media sources and individuals posting about their "concern" that a billionaire had purchased a media source while being silent about Bezos and Washington Post.

Because I’ve worked in the journalism industry in the past, on the devops side (a large publishing platform is basically SaaS with mostly internal customers and a front facing site. That said I never want to hear “Adobe CQ5/AEM” ever again), and know some editors there as well as elsewhere

 

[gugy]

Mate, you really just demonstrated you don't understand the basics of free speech.

Firstly, Apple is exercising their freedom to not advertise on Twitter.
Apple is exercising their right to moderate their own private property (the App Store).

Are you really arguing against the freedom of choice for individuals and companies? Sounds really free.

Second, Free speech only applies to the government. It does not apply to individuals or companies. See Apple's actions above, which are protected by... you guessed it, free speech.

Third, free speech isn't the free-for-all you seem to think it is.

Free speech does not protect hate speech, defamation, inciting violence, or supporting terrorism, to name a few.

These all lie outside the protections of free speech.

Fourth, free speech does not mean free of consequences.

Part of free speech is to choose to criticize or disagree with someone and for them to criticize you back. An employer, for instance, is within their rights to fire you if you say something inappropriate.

Just look at the ACLU Skokie case. This is what free speech is, even if it is disgusting and goes against what you believe.
Apple nor any corporation should be dictating it.
The problem with canceling anyone you dislike, you open the door to canceling someone you believe.
Fight bad speech with good speech.
I absolutely agree with a speech promoting violence, these should be banned.
Maybe you should inform yourself first before telling other people they don't understand something. smh

 

[definitive]

people need to lay off social media. it's warping their brains.

 

[seek3r]

The irony of thinking free speech and the return of conservatives will create an echo chamber. Is it not lost on you, that that’s exactly what Twitter was creating, by force? They even literally interfered in the 2020 United States presidential elections by force. *They* created their own echo chamber, Musk is just restoring fairness and normalcy, from tyranny.

There has never been a shortage of conservative voices on twitter, what they’ve tried to curb is hate speech. Their algorithms, despite the insistence to the contrary of the alt-right, actually tend to amplify conservatives (there are links to studies elsewhere in this thread btw). The president’s account was banned for incitement to riot - and he had already violated their ToS many many times, to the point where they had to make a statement saying they apply more permissive rules to public figures. The President is not a god, Twitter had no obligation to give him a megaphone. And if anyone on the planet doesnt need twitter to be heard it’s the President, or former Presidents, of the United States, he can just step outside any time of day and a gaggle of reporters will beam his words live to the whole planet. The idea that Trump was silenced by twitter is absurd.

 

[nevesis]

Let’s be real. The left doesn’t like any speech that disagrees with their viewpoint and they want to shut it down.

Tucker has you properly trained like a good obedient puppy.

Hysterical the irony when all these idiot people talk about 'freedom of speech' yet don't understand that private companies can do as they please when it comes to their own platform and terms of service.

These mouthbreathers actually believe its enshrined in the constitution to spew hate speech on privately owned products.

 

[PauloSera]

Well it is allowed under the first amendment, but people here don't understand what that really means. Does it mean that twitter should allow it? Isn't that up to them? I mean, I wouldn't want to amplify that trash if it were up to me and it were my company. I'm betting companies like apple and the like don't want to be associated with that garbage either. Yet here we are arguing over 'free speech' when it matters not when it comes to platforms like twitter. They get to decide what is allowed and the simple fact is that musk is bring back actual nazis so they can post hate. Advertisers will go elsewhere.

I'm not moved by the suggestion that allowing it = amplifying it or associating with it. Sorry.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

Tucker has you properly trained like a good obedient puppy.

Hysterical the irony when all these idiot people talk about 'freedom of speech' yet don't understand that private companies can do as they please when it comes to their own platform and terms of service.

These mouthbreathers actually believe its enshrined in the constitution to spew hate speech on privately owned products.

Resorting to insults is pretty childish, but also not surprising.

 

[PauloSera]

Paradox of tolerance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." - Karl Popper

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Well, of course it doesn't bother you, because it [the hate speech] doesn't affect you.

It also isn't a buzzword, but a clearly defined, legal, term.

Hate speech - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's a buzz word. It is a term that has been used deliberately in specific ways in order to generate specific reactions.

And your graphic is unmoving. Just another way of saying "we're still better off deciding for everyone else"

 

[ProfessionalFan]

Maybe don't take is so personnel when someone calls one of your favorite social media platforms a crap show. As it is a crap show.

If reddit was owned by Elon Musk, it'd be considered the same way as Twitter now. But Reddit is owned by a liberal. So people make believe it isn't a s***hole.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

Just another way of saying "we're still better off deciding for everyone else"

This is what they believe. They think they are smarter.

 

[16Paws]

Yeah I'm sure he doesn't know what he's doing, he only just embarrassed Nvidia at real-world image processing

lol. no, he didn't.

 

[dasmb]

Should Twitter get to the point where its lack of moderation causes Apple and Google to remove it from their stores, Musk said that he will "make an alternative phone."

When asked for comment, Craig Federighi was quoted as saying "Car guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in."

 

[vipergts2207]

It's a buzz word. It is a term that has been used deliberately in specific ways in order to generate specific reactions.

And your graphic is unmoving. Just another way of saying "we're still better off deciding for everyone else"

This is what they believe. They think they are smarter.

I think you're both confused.

"It sucks, and it is what it is, but that’s why we need a dictatorship. That’s unironically why we need to get rid of all that. We need to take control of the media or take control of the government and force the people to believe what we believe or force them to play by our rules and reshape the society.”

- Nick Fuentes, far-right personality and recent dinner guest of Donald Trump

 

[ProfessionalFan]

lol. no, he didn't.

FYI any comment that begins with "lol" is overlooked by many people.

I wouldn't want your comments to not be seen.

 

[Bawstun]

There has never been a shortage of conservative voices on twitter, what they’ve tried to curb is hate speech. Their algorithms, despite the insistence to the contrary of the alt-right, actually tend to amplify conservatives (there are links to studies elsewhere in this thread btw). The president’s account was banned for incitement to riot - and he had already violated their ToS many many times, to the point where they had to make a statement saying they apply more permissive rules to public figures. The President is not a god, Twitter had no obligation to give him a megaphone. And if anyone on the planet doesnt need twitter to be heard it’s the President, or former Presidents, of the United States, he can just step outside any time of day and a gaggle of reporters will beam his words live to the whole planet. The idea that Trump was silenced by twitter is absurd.

Proof of their algorithms boosting conservatives? Musk is about to release the internals from the company, on exactly what they did. I’m 100% certain it will show severe political bias.

The Commander in Chief, the leader of the ‘free world,’ absolutely does have freedom to say what he wants, within the confines of the law. Do you understand how that came across, to all foreign nations? How fractured and weak?

And try as they may by repeating it day and night, Trump absolutely did not incite a riot with any tweets. In several of them he called for peace, to respect law enforcement, and even to go home.

Find the tweets and read ‘em, they’re archived all over the internet.

Absolutely NOTHING warranted banning the sitting president of the US - while simultaneously the Taliban and other terrorist groups, calling for the stoning and burning of gays, infidelity among wives and much more. Even China, videos of them calling for the extermination of America and hoping for our downfall. That was all deemed perfectly acceptable, or entirely shrugged aside and ignored.

Twitter became overly biased and overly tyrannical from too much liberal leadership.

They inserted algorithms disallowing the pasting, linking, and any and all discussion about a very serious political story - because they didn’t like it, or the implications it may have on voters (that they didn’t want to see succeed).

They even went so far as to lock the New York Post’s account entirely. The longest-continuously running newspaper in America, founded by Alexander Hamilton himself.

Praise God for Elon Musk.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

Proof of their algorithms boosting conservatives? Musk is about to release the internals from the company, on exactly what they did. I’m 100% certain it will show severe political bias.

Libs will just say it's fake anyway. They actively have been gaslighting in this thread about how twitter favored conservatives and silenced liberals.

 

[nikhsub1]

Praise God for Elon Musk.

How sad.

 

[BaldiMac]

He isn't whining. He is pointing out what they are doing since they are doing it for no real reason. Shining a light on a business being political is not whining. Around half the country thinks differently than the liberal cult, so it is good of him to let us know what the cult is up to.

Nowhere is there any evidence that Apple has done or threatened to do anything in this case for political reasons. As far as we know, all they did was remind Elon that Twitter still has to follow existing App Store policies on user-generated content. That's if you believe Elon's claim at all.

The existence of Truth Social and Parler on the App Store make it pretty clear that the issue has nothing to do with right vs left.