Embrace the change, fools!

[hafr]

I didn't do any "survey", what I said is based on my personal observation. We do have an extensive CD/DVD cabinet with software, which is incidentally in my office — and nobody ever uses that, because all important software is stored as img files on our server.

Oh, you meant something else than you wrote? Okay.

My imagination may be limited, but its at least healthy. I have hard time imagining that a sane person would carry around a bunch of bulky, unpractical, easy-to-damage and most importantly SLOW optical disks when they can simply get a fast external HDD for more or less comparable money.

There are a few angles to this. Sure, more and more people are switching to a laptop and external drives for their sound systems, but there are still tons of people out there who are still rocking vinyl. Even DJ's, who are constantly on the move with large parts of their collections... It's not all about efficient storing, you know?

For instance, I've got a Kindle, but I still prefer having an actual book in my hand, and I'd take a large bookshelf over a digital list of books any day. The Kindle is for vacations and travels. Do you really find it hard to imagine that someone would actually prefer bulky books in a bookshelf over having them all stored in a Kindle?

You say that many people still use optical media.

No I didn't, I asked you on what you based the statement that only five percent of the MBP users use their ODD regularly. I'm still curious, if you'd like to answer the question, please?

[/quote]But enlighten me please: what exactly is a justifiable modern use for an ODD, aside from reinstalling the OS? Yes, optical media has had its application in the past, but any of the common uses (backups, data archivation, data sharing) simply does not make any sense, neither practically nor economically, in the age of cheap external drives, fast internet and flash memory. And if you are someone who has to print optical media for living, such as doing audio CDs (do these things still exists??) or similar — you will be using industrial CD-baking machine anyway.[/QUOTE]
Just because it's possible to transfer information on DVD's, CD's and so on onto a hard drive doesn't mean watching a DVD is not a "justifiable modern use" of the ODD. And even if it was, so what?

I remember about fifteen years ago, when they were talking about the death of the CD because of the MP3. Tech prophets said that the stores would be selling MP3's on either thumb drives or charged directly to your MP3 player, the CD only had a few years at the most.

I don't think even Apple are ready to skip the ODD completely just yet. The Mini doesn't have one, but it's stationary and an external ODD isn't close to the same hassle as with a laptop, and those who want a laptop without an ODD have the MBA.

 

[Takashi]

There are a few angles to this. Sure, more and more people are switching to a laptop and external drives for their sound systems, but there are still tons of people out there who are still rocking vinyl. Even DJ's, who are constantly on the move with large parts of their collections... It's not all about efficient storing, you know?

When is the last time you go meet up with a DJ especially in special events and weddings? Last time I went to a wedding trade show most DJs don't even mention the word CD / DVD. They store all their music volumes in a laptop or an external HD which can be recalled in just a click. Most of the operators said CD collection is outdated, heavy and bulky, and easily damaged.

Just because it's possible to transfer information on DVD's, CD's and so on onto a hard drive doesn't mean watching a DVD is not a "justifiable modern use" of the ODD. And even if it was, so what?

I remember about fifteen years ago, when they were talking about the death of the CD because of the MP3. Tech prophets said that the stores would be selling MP3's on either thumb drives or charged directly to your MP3 player, the CD only had a few years at the most.

I don't think even Apple are ready to skip the ODD completely just yet. The Mini doesn't have one, but it's stationary and an external ODD isn't close to the same hassle as with a laptop, and those who want a laptop without an ODD have the MBA.

Like I said before, apple should (and will most likely) ditch the stupid (not super) optical drive and use the real estate for something else. There is no need for everyone to carry extra weight of something we don't use often.

The CD industry is going downhill if you haven't noticed. When is the last time you walked into a store and purchase an audio CD? It's probably more convenient to buy (or pirate) it off the internet because it's cheaper and most people only like 1 - 2 songs in the whole album. In a sense, the tech prophets are not entirely incorrect.

 

[Krazy Bill]

When has Apple ever saved space on something and given that space to you for something else like a battery?

iPad3.

Next question please.

 

[danny_w]

iPad3.

Next question please.

Clarification please. The iPad3 is actually thicker than the iPad2.

 

[thrilllho]

So far no proponent of the ODD in this thread was actually able to come up with a reasonable explanation why they would need it (aside from occasional use, where an external drive would suffice). All we hear is the generic "we need it".

Do you people not drive cars? I frequently burn CDs to play in my car. You may know lots of tech savvy people, but the VAST majority of people out there have no idea what an AUX jack is, much less that they can plug their ipod into it.

I'm sure you'll come back with something like, "I take my iPhone" or "My Prius connects to iCloud to stream my music", but you are NOT the majority of people--evidenced by your posting on a techie forum if nothing else.

There are plenty of reasons not to kill the ODD.

I personally don't care very much either way, but don't assume that everyone "computes" the same way you do.

Clarification please. The iPad3 is actually thicker than the iPad2.

Not in any meaningful way.

 

[danny_w]

Not in any meaningful way.

True but that was not the question. The question was when did Apple ever free up space and then give it back to you for something else instead of simply making the thing thinner. I may be dense but I can't think of a time. If Apple removes the ODD they will not put in a bigger battery or a slot for an SSD or more ports, they will simply make it thinner. At least that is their history.

 

[hafr]

When is the last time you go meet up with a DJ especially in special events and weddings? Last time I went to a wedding trade show most DJs don't even mention the word CD / DVD. They store all their music volumes in a laptop or an external HD which can be recalled in just a click. Most of the operators said CD collection is outdated, heavy and bulky, and easily damaged.

I meet DJ's just about every day, my friend. And I'm not talking about wedding DJ's... I'm not saying they're not a dying breed (as I said, more and more people are switching to laptops), but they do exist, and they're not close to being extinct yet.

Like I said before, apple should (and will most likely) ditch the stupid (not super) optical drive and use the real estate for something else. There is no need for everyone to carry extra weight of something we don't use often.

The CD industry is going downhill if you haven't noticed. When is the last time you walked into a store and purchase an audio CD? It's probably more convenient to buy (or pirate) it off the internet because it's cheaper and most people only like 1 - 2 songs in the whole album. In a sense, the tech prophets are not entirely incorrect.

Me: It's still night time, the sun will rise later, but not now
You: The sun will rise!!!!

 

[natejohnstone@g]

I don't get this thread

It sounds like the thread starter should be a big fan of the MacBook Air. Why not enjoy that ultra-portable computer, and leave the Pros to the rest of us?

 

[wonderspark]

I can understand the argument to some degree, since the Air is so much weaker than the Pro. Dual cores vs. quad and all that. On the other hand, it comes with the territory when you follow a brand that tells you what you want for the most part.

I see people say, "If you don't like it, use something else." That goes both ways.

 

[cosmicjoke]

There's a lot of moaning about the potential 2012 MBP redesign, too much moaning.


People need to get with the times, forget about legacy technology like ODD's and start living in the 21st century.
If you're stuck in some industry that still needs that sort of legacy support then perhaps you should consider moving to another brand of computer - one that's less cutting edge.
Or maybe learn how to do drive sharing on a network?
Or get an external drive if you're the 5% of people still using the space hog known as the ODD.

I'm right there w/ you on getting rid of the ODD, but not to make it a lighter, more aesthetically appealing laptop... The current one looks fine and it isn't too heavy, but I'd use the space for anything else, like a second HDD/SSD (as I already do, just think an apple preconfigured option would be grand).

 

[Wild-Bill]

I'd say the only fool around here is the OP........

Observe:

 

[heliocentric]

Oh how I wish they would put a Bluray drive in...but they won't.

 

[mabaker]

Dicking around in photoshop with your sepia toned pictures of your local starbucks coffee house doesn't make you a 'pro' user folks.

This has a ring of truth to it.

 

[NickZac]

Your needs may vary from that of other users. There are some cases where the ODD is still ideal...mainly, for the inexpensive transfer of secure documents on a medium that can be easily destroyed to completely blank out the chance of data recovery. Yes, you can do that with a flash drive but a CDR is so cheap that it can at times make more sense. And last time I checked, people still used DVDs...

Even if you don't use the ODD, having it provides us with a second hard drive bay, which many of these 'pro' users you speak of may need. But I am not a 'professional' so what do I know?

 

[tjb1]

Your needs may vary from that of other users. There are some cases where the ODD is still ideal...mainly, for the inexpensive transfer of secure documents on a medium that can be easily destroyed to completely blank out the chance of data recovery. Yes, you can do that with a flash drive but a CDR is so cheap that it can at times make more sense. And last time I checked, people still used DVDs...

Even if you don't use the ODD, having it provides us with a second hard drive bay, which many of these 'pro' users you speak of may need. But I am not a 'professional' so what do I know?

These haters dont know how to put a HDD in there...they need Apple to do it for them.

 

[Liquinn]

I thought the MBP needed to be on "Don't Buy - Updates soon" for any updates to happen, am I mistaken?

 

[cosmicjoke]

I thought the MBP needed to be on "Don't Buy - Updates soon" for any updates to happen, am I mistaken?

"This page is based on rumors and speculation and we provide no guarantee to its accuracy."

It's just an observance of prior trends....

 

[WillEH]

I'm happy with my 2011 MBP, cost me around £2000, and will last me for many years. The other plus is I can play LoL on it all the time!

P.S give up on the legacy!

 

[joepunk]

I thought the MBP needed to be on "Don't Buy - Updates soon" for any updates to happen, am I mistaken?

There was a minor update in October. So, I'm guessing that MR considered that to be much more than it really was and reset the update/threat down level

Since an average update cycle is around 260 days we could be looking at maybe May or June with a wishful dreaminess of April.

I'd say the only fool around here is the OP........

Observe:

I was thinking of Mr. T "I Pity the Fool" when I read the thread title

 

[mark28]

A $2000 Computer that can't install my software.

 

[Augure]

Completely agree with the OP.

Loosers are holding us back, where nobody educated or informed uses ODD.

Video/Music professional all use HDD with fast connection like eSata, USB3 or now Thunderbolt, most software suite are pre-installed or downloadable, most movies are rented, streamed or downloaded on Internet, most games are downloaded on services such as Steam...

Unless you are going to cram up a Blu-Ray player (which is unlikely since Apple just released iTunes 1080p and wants to make the MBP thinner), stop whining up loosers

 

[danny_w]

Completely agree with the OP.

Loosers are holding us back, where nobody educated or informed uses ODD.

Video/Music professional all use HDD with fast connection like eSata, USB3 or now Thunderbolt, most software suite are pre-installed or downloadable, most movies are rented, streamed or downloaded on Internet, most games are downloaded on services such as Steam...

Unless you are going to cram up a Blu-Ray player (which is unlikely since Apple just released iTunes 1080p and wants to make the MBP thinner), stop whining up loosers

Why must so many people on this forum be so arrogant? Let's at least be civil when arguing our points. Such rudeness has no place her or anywhere else for that matter.

 

[NickZac]

Completely agree with the OP.

Loosers are holding us back, where nobody educated or informed uses ODD.

Video/Music professional all use HDD with fast connection like eSata, USB3 or now Thunderbolt, most software suite are pre-installed or downloadable, most movies are rented, streamed or downloaded on Internet, most games are downloaded on services such as Steam...

Unless you are going to cram up a Blu-Ray player (which is unlikely since Apple just released iTunes 1080p and wants to make the MBP thinner), stop whining up loosers

This is unnecessary. I really hope you don't talk to people like that in person. If for no other reason than if you call someone a "looser", I think they may become a bit confused.

 

[/user/me]

For those who think that the ODD is too outdated to be used in a laptop, read this article:

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/google-restoring-lost-gmail-data-from-tape-backups-2011031/

After that, shut up already - Are you going to stop using google because they back up your information on magnetic tape? Hardly. If you don't like ODD, don't use it and gtfo.

 

[wonderspark]

Completely agree with the OP.

Loosers are holding us back, where nobody educated or informed uses ODD.

Video/Music professional all use HDD with fast connection like eSata, USB3 or now Thunderbolt, most software suite are pre-installed or downloadable, most movies are rented, streamed or downloaded on Internet, most games are downloaded on services such as Steam...

Unless you are going to cram up a Blu-Ray player (which is unlikely since Apple just released iTunes 1080p and wants to make the MBP thinner), stop whining up loosers

I'm amused by *your* lack of education. The correct spelling is "losers." Loose means the opposite of tight, while lose means the opposite of gain, win or find.

You are incorrect about all video/music professionals using "HDD with fast connection like eSATA, USB3 or now Thunderbolt..." and so on. I know, because I'm one myself, and work with many others who use disc media often enough that it would suck to be unable to do so. Clients need and ask for DVDs or Blu-ray discs on a regular basis, which you'd know if you were actually in the business.

You can prove it to yourself by opening your eyes next time you're out in the real world, and observing how many shelves full of disc media are for sale. Do you believe they'd stock all those discs if they weren't selling them? If so, there are other fools in this thread that will welcome you with open arms to their deluded ranks.