I just saw 45% US market share. That’s large enough to qualify for antitrust.
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Encrypted Messaging App Telegram Files Antitrust Complaint Against Apple With EU
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I just saw 45% US market share. That’s large enough to qualify for antitrust.
May 2018
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Funny to hear some of the capitalists bemoan capitalism.
This is a complaint with the European Union, not the US.
My take on this is that if they can convince the EU investigate and find that Apple are being untrustworthy, the US Govenment will need to comply, and do the same. Go through the back door at it were.
I feel people misunderstand the biggest issue with iOS. It's pretty much the ONLY operating system no allowing install of software that didn't went through Apple.
It's about freedom as freedom of speech.
Apple should be free to make device locked to any unknown source app similar to Android.
It can also like Google limit Apple APIs for those apps.
But it should at least give the user the option to "work hard" to install software.
Even today. For my personal use. I need to reinstall my own app every ~week since free developer certificates are limited. When paying 100$ a year I can run it for a year.
That's more of a dark regime than a regime that cares about my freedom...
It's about freedom as freedom of speech.
Apple should be free to make device locked to any unknown source app similar to Android.
It can also like Google limit Apple APIs for those apps.
But it should at least give the user the option to "work hard" to install software.
Even today. For my personal use. I need to reinstall my own app every ~week since free developer certificates are limited. When paying 100$ a year I can run it for a year.
That's more of a dark regime than a regime that cares about my freedom...
Monopoly = the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service. iOS has a paltry 26% market share of the smartphone market in the EU, I would hardly characterize that as a monopoly.
These requests are akin to 3rd parties protesting that you can only run Tesla software in the Model 3.
Do you have proof or it's just a stupid comment?
It certainly is! We should let the market decide whether how Apple operate their business is right or wrong.
Good for you! That’s why options r great! I am sure 80% wouldn’t even enable it but leave the choice to the few percent. They could even hide it behind some „advanced“ settings
It is like every component maker, developer tool makers, hardware makers start playing the game of charging ransom of every developer transaction because in reality all are being used, served and supported.
Microsoft start charging for each transaction in addition to selling Developer Studio licenses, OS license and server licenses.
Even Governments won’t tax their citizens flat 30% with so much accountability at stake, they have various slabs of income.
This freeway .. r...y imo.
You may not realize this, but there are thousands upon thousands of free apps on the app store that Apple doesn't get any money from.
The government does if they are found guilty of anti-trust violations.
I use macOS and use 3rd party apps I got outside of Apple's app store and I have no problem with privacy and security.
Suggesting that privacy and security is not possible outside of Apple's app store is disingenuous
Absurd claim and counter to consumers rights to safety from malicious software - the commission should fine them for wasting its time.
Apple is facing another antitrust complaint in Europe, this time from the developers of encrypted messenger app Telegram.
In a complaint to the EU Commission, the app's creators argue that Apple must give iOS users the opportunity to download software outside of the App Store. The Financial Times reports:
According to the paywalled report, Telegram's complaint recounted how in 2016 it was prevented from launching a gaming platform on the App Store because it was deemed to violate Apple's rules. Telegram subsequently dismantled the venture to avoid "being deleted from the App Store," and claimed that it was "an example of Apple's capacity to curb innovation thanks to its 'monpolistic power' on the app market."
The complaint follows a blog post earlier this week by Telegram founder Pavel Durov in which he takes Apple to task and lists seven "myths" that the company uses to justify its 30 percent commission on apps hosted in the App Store.
Telegram is the third company after Spotify and Rakuten to formally complain to the EU Commission, which is already conducting two investigations into Apple's App Store and Apple Pay.
This antitrust complaint is separate to the ongoing U.S. antitrust current investigation. On Wednesday, Apple CEO Tim Cook defended the company's App Store policies in a congressional hearing.
Article Link: Encrypted Messaging App Telegram Files Antitrust Complaint Against Apple With EU
As a developer, I don't entirely get this. I have the choice whether I want to develop for iOS/macOS or not. It's not like anyone *has* to develop for iOS, they can choose to just have their app on android/windows/as a web app.
The fact is, developers are already making a lot more money on iOS as a platform since iOS users are more likely to actually pay for apps and in-app purchases...
I do not want the added security risk of having alternative app stores/sideloading.
Besides, where do we draw the line? Is it anti-consumer that we can't install Android on our iPhones, too? Should we be able to more easily jailbreak iOS devices? Set default apps for everything, customize every single bit of the OS?
In my opinion, absolutely not. The stability and simplicity of iOS is what makes it special.
who cares about global market share? We’re talking US and EU here. It’s 47.4% in the US for iOS. And let’s not forget that google is also under investigation. In the EU it’s anywhere between 30 and 55%, depending on the country. AFAIK they’re not being investigated in India.
come a future version on MacOS on ARM i predict that the mac will go the way of the IOS not the other way round.
So you’re saying that any and all 3rd party app stores are unsafe and there’s no malware on the iOS App Store?
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what Mac? There’ll only be iPadOS and iOS in the future /s
so developers have a choice between going broke or supporting the 2 only viable software distribution platforms on the market. Which are both being investigated for anti-trust violations. You’re right, they got a huge amount of choice. I take it you’re an individual developer?
So iOS is the platform not the App Store? On the Mac you’re not limited to the MAS. Or do you think all apps on the Mac Should have to go through an Apple store too?
That depends of how you break down the monopoly term. They don’t have a global device sales monopoly, but a monopoly on their platform.
You would feel very comfortable in the old DDR.
Unless you're Amazon, then Apple will offer to only take half of the 30% fee...
Apple tried to lure Amazon's video app by offering a lower 15% fee, email shows
In an email sent from Apple executive Eddy Cue to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos in 2016, Apple said it would offer a 15% revenue share to Amazon for customers that sign up for Prime Video through Apple's payments system.
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In the summer of 2017, Apple CEO Tim Cook announced that Amazon’s Prime Video service would be launching on the Apple TV set-top box, after a long and noticeable absence.
An email released by the House Antitrust Subcommittee on Wednesday shed new light into the negotiations that led to that announcement. It shows an Apple exec offered Amazon a 15% fee on subscriptions that signed up through the app, which is lower than Apple’s customary 30% fee for most in-app purchases.
The email suggests that big players can negotiate for better business terms on Apple’s App Store, contradicting Apple’s public stance that all apps are treated the same on its platform. “We apply the rules to all developers evenly,” Cook testified on Wednesday.
Software makers are required to use Apple’s payment mechanism for any digital purchases inside an iPhone app. Apple typically takes 30% of the initial purchase price, including 30% from the first year of subscription services that customers buy through the app, then drops the fee to 15% in the second year of a subscription.