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As a Network tech, it would sure be nice to be able to use the WIFI and network tools that Apple has disallowed on my iPhone so I don't have to carry around an Android phone just to run the tools.

If Apple's software rules weren't so tight, I can almost see forcing people to use App Store only, but since they seem to want to say what can and cannot be run on an iPhone, then developers should be able to write what they want and market it and distribute it elsewhere if it doesn't fit in Apple's vision of allowable software.
 
Hard NO. I would not trust any apps from untrusted sources even coming from Telegram that can risk my iOS devices. It is unacceptable.

Too many websites have 'legitimate' apps nowadays outside of app store.
You probably don't know apple doesn't review the source code of approved apps.your trust in apple approval of any app is misplaced. Have you already forgotten about apps that read your clipboard or use the camera without permission
 
Alternatively, think of it this way.

Because there is only one way of getting apps onto my iOS device, developers have no choice but to capitulate and put their apps onto the iOS App Store, which amongst other things means that their apps have to abide by App Store rules. So no funny business.

As a user, there is no real downside for me. Most of the apps I want will still be there, and I have the peace of mind that they have been vetted and cleared by Apple beforehand.

Conversely, give developers the notion that there is even the slightest chance they could get users to bypass the iOS App Store and get users to download apps on their terms and they will do precisely that, often more for their own benefit than that of the end user.

I am not saying that the iOS App Store system is perfect. Rather, I am saying that it’s a package deal. As android as shown, there isn’t really any way to divorce the benefits from the drawbacks. There will always be people who think that they are very smart and that the rules shouldn’t have to apply to them, not realising that they are the outlier and for each such individual who is savvy enough to take the necessary precautions, there are probably 100 others who think they are smart enough but actually aren’t. That’s who the rules are there for.

In all, I find that the advantages of the App Store still outweigh the cons for me, I happily accept the compromises, realising that they are a necessary trade off, and I wonder why the people desiring benefits such as being able to sideload apps don’t just move to android which allows them to do precisely this.
Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome to me...
 
I dont want this personally. I like my phone to be tight and secure and limited to the App Store. I suppose even if Apple opens it up I can still only use App Store but I expect code will become more insecure to deal with outside people.

PlayStation and XBOX and Nitendo dont open up their platform. I think its ok for platforms to be closed.
 
You probably don't know apple doesn't review the source code of approved apps.your trust in apple approval of any app is misplaced. Have you already forgotten about apps that read your clipboard or use the camera without permission
Exactly, I even opened an issue regarding this in y2014, it’s still untouched and open.
 
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I am excited how this plays out but I am sure this will take forever and will just be forgotten.

it would be great to have the OPTION to check „allow installing apps from 3rd party sources“ and a pop up quickly explaining the potential risks so Apple isn’t liable.

I suspect that the number of people who read pop-ups before clicking OK is quite small. The number of people who really understand the implications is probably even smaller.
 
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Myth #8: if Apple lowers their commission or start to allow third party billing, Apps/IAP will get cheaper for consumers.

You know very well that 99.9999% of developers are going to be keeping prices the same and pocket that extra money. Because capitalism.
 
I dont want this personally. I like my phone to be tight and secure and limited to the App Store. I suppose even if Apple opens it up I can still only use App Store but I expect code will become more insecure to deal with outside people.

PlayStation and XBOX and Nitendo dont open up their platform. I think its ok for platforms to be closed.
The big issue in these cases is distribution.
PlayStation and XBOX allow users to install and run games from a CD. That CD can be purchased from anywhere. You don’t have to go through Microsoft or Sony to acquire the discs.
 
"...Telegram is the third company after Spotify and Rakuten to formally complain to the EU Commission, which is already conducting two investigations into Apple's App Store and Apple Pay...."
man - aapl has to defend against so many pesky lawsuits
hope aapl legal depertment is earning its pay by winning

No thinking allowed. Gotcha!
 
The big issue in these cases is distribution.
PlayStation and XBOX allow users to install and run games from a CD. That CD can be purchased from anywhere. You don’t have to go through Microsoft or Sony to acquire the discs.
Yes, but the game developers still have to go through Microsoft and Sony to be able to put out that disc and market it as compatible with Xbox/PlayStation
 
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Well, we can also take the other route and request Apple to open the hardware, to allow us to install whatever OS we want. Because you’re saying the platform is iOS, but currently we can’t use anything else on an Apple Device. If Apple suddenly disappear, their activation servers goes down, all your beloved hardware just become useless bricks. You probably would be the first one to scream for help in here.

A trillion dollar company doesn't just "suddenly disappear."
 
the app's creators argue that Apple must give iOS users the opportunity to download software outside of the App Store
Even with all these App Store rules and review processes some apps can still get away with some freakin shady practices imagine it they can skip these rules and reviews.
 
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Now think about this as consumers and as developers for a second before ripping everyone. Apple does have a truly unfair advantage. And we buy our Apple devices. We should be able to essentially “unlock” a feature to install third party apps via either known trusted app stores alternative to Apple or to non app stores directly from vendors.

Apple has had plenty of time to get the lead and make it so people want the privacy aspect and get used to the idea of trusting Apple to decide what should be on their iPhone. It’s like only advanced users would probably ever trust this or users who simply don’t care about the experience of trusting apps that don’t have any guarantees of privacy and then apps that have another vendor’s “App Store by Telegram” let’s say privacy and authentication methods.

As an AAPL shareholder, I would hate this. As an American, I want my privacy more than the government wants me to protect it from these tech companies, or even China. As a tech consumer and someone who gives Apple $10k+ annually, damn straight I want the option to put whatever I want on my iPhone. Maybe it will invade my privacy, then that’s my fault. Maybe it will bog down the SoC, then that’s my fault. Maybe it will be a virus, again my risk.

I actually think Apple is big enough that while they may lose 10% of customers from the App Store, 90% would stick with trusting Apple’s way is best for their safety. But for all those that say screw safety and it’s my device as I paid for it, I sure want access to other app stores I may trust or even the lunacy to download apps from a vendor directly and install.

Don’t think of this from your glasses as an Apple Fanboy/girl. Think of this in the same way you think of your computer. You can install the software the way you want, or you can trust the safety of your device only with Apple’s App Store. In my eyes, I am paying $1500 for an iPhone and more for an iPad, I should be able to install whatever the f&$@ I want!

Again, as an Apple Investor, I say hell no they built this platform. They get to decide. Android is a larger platform. There’s no monopoly. Leave Apple alone and waste someone else’s time with your ridiculous threats to Apple. As we all know Apple cares so much about us! Haha. Apple cares but what they really care about is the idea that we all believe our devices our privacy featured as they’re really just locked down.

Think about what you truly want. I wanted an iPhone on Verizon from the beginning. But I had to switch to AT&T. Now it’s available on all carriers and that’s much better for Apple. It was Apple’s, no Steve Jobs’s terrible strategic decision to lock in with AT&T for five years! We would have all benefited if Apple never signed such an agreement. Now think about a future where you as a consumer have the right to install whatever software you want on a piece of hardware you bought. It makes sense to me. And for most, the Apple ecosystem of privacy will still be the way to go.

Thanks for your post. I have a thought regarding the agreement Apple had with ATT that initially made the iPhone exclusive to ATT. It seems that prior to this time, the cell phone companies controlled all aspects of cell phones. One had to even buy the phones from the likes of ATT or Sprint and they were even branded as ATT or Sprint phones. Of course, ATT and Sprint got their cut on everything. I can’t even imagine the reception Jobs got when he approached ATT regarding the iPhone. For ATT to give up the branding and whatever else they benefited from and allow a direct purchase of a phone from Apple, I imagine ATT needed something in return like an exclusive deal for a few years. I imagine ATT probably didn’t want to do it initially. I don’t think people realize just how much of a game change the iPhone was at its introduction, not just the phone itself but in the way customers bought phones that were controlled by ATT.
 
They want to be able to make a living and Apple won’t let them. Apple’s system destroys innovation and hurts the formation of new businesses - which, in return, hurts the economy.

Why is Apple solely responsible for them making a living? Also Innovation and formation of new businesses?

They can create for Android or other platforms. Especially if they do not like the rules of Apple.
 
Think about what you truly want. I wanted an iPhone on Verizon from the beginning. But I had to switch to AT&T. Now it’s available on all carriers and that’s much better for Apple. It was Apple’s, no Steve Jobs’s terrible strategic decision to lock in with AT&T for five years! We would have all benefited if Apple never signed such an agreement. Now think about a future where you as a consumer have the right to install whatever software you want on a piece of hardware you bought. It makes sense to me. And for most, the Apple ecosystem of privacy will still be the way to go.

AT&T was the only main carrier that would let Apple have control of their own device on day one. Verizon wanted their logo and carrier bloatware on the iPhone. So we all in fact did benefit from the exclusive deal with AT&T. I wouldn’t want an iPhone that had app carriers automatically put on there or have to wait for my carrier to put out a phone update six months after it’s made available if they ever even do.
 
What other platform are they supposed to use except for iOS and Android? Please do tell? What you‘re describing is the exact reason why there are anti-trust laws.

It’s called, figure it out. Part of being a business owner is not just creating, it’s also executing and deploying. I see all these companies complaining about apple and it’s really just a bunch of complaining bitches. Spend billions in R&D and manufacturing, create and echosystem for softaware, hardware and apps and then make your own rules on how you want your innovations controlled and deployed.

if you can’t, shut the F up and peddle your BS apps within the guidelines of another’s rules. Bunch of complaining bitches.
 
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Points at Palm, Nokia, Softimage, SGI, Solaris, Sun... not a trillion, but same same at their good time. Apple probably won’t disappear soon, but many things can happen, e.g nature catastrophe, take over, bad business, etc. never say never...

My comment was on the use of the word "suddenly."

And in the unlikely event that a natural catastrophe wiped out a global company the size of Apple, we are all in a world of hurt.
 
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So if an app is „free“ and has no IAP but is ad-supported, does Apple get to request their 30 % cut from each developer’s Google Ad check as well? And what about completely free apps?

It is what it is, that‘s what it is.
 
what is so special about telegram?
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Telegram’s main audience appears to be cyber criminals and extremists.

This is what I was thinking too regarding encrypted messages. Who needs that other than corporates (that have their own encryption systems anyway)?
 
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