Epic: Fortnite Offline Worldwide 'Until Apple Unblocks It'

[Stuwil]

You keep believing you know special thing that explains the way you want to see the world. For those of us who had to live with the utterly abysmal Windows software, we know exactly why Microsoft failed. They don't have Google to blame, they don't have Apple to blame, they have themselves. They had TWO chances at it and failed BOTH times. But....naw...it can't be how terrible the operating system was....you are right, it has to be for your reason.....

if my reason is not correct
Then why is it that the only country in the world with 3 mobile operating systems is in china.
And Apple are in 3rd place with sales down 50%
And google is not number 1 in search in china

Is that because huawei makes a better OS than iOS then?
Does this mean that baidu is better than google in china?

Yet it’s because Microsoft made a bad product and nothing else is the reason why they failed
And it’s also why no other company has managed to penetrate iOS or android
Because the products are bad and nothing else.

This is why your now seeing this happen

 

[I7guy]

Why would a company not put their apps on Microsoft’s devices
Yet they are on another company’s platform
Why would you do that

I think it’s because MS had a bad business plan. For probably many reasons they dropped the ball on this effort. And they didn’t give it enough of a chance.

If that’s the case then why doesn’t Apple get rid of google off the iPhone because they are big enough to write their own apps

Google pays Apple $20 billion. Nobody is throwing that amount of money away. Unless you are epic and kill the golden goose.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Let me get this straight: You want to solve the problem of Apple purportedly over-charging with their 15/30% of revenue by instituting a broad-based fee that would .. allow them to make even more money?? This is strange logic.

I don’t have any issue with Apple making money or profits. It’s the manner they do it that I consider as anticompetitive and harmful to the market and consumers.

If Apple can convince consumers to use ApplePay in their everyday transactions it would be better they took a 0.3% slice instead of 30% slice providing largely nothing of value.

And even better if it’s competitive with other payment services instead of the only option. if Sony does it…. Well then other will as well.

I suspect the EC wouldn’t be fans, but would be interested to hear @AppliedMicro ’s thoughts. Certainly is an interesting idea!

Can’t say I know of any law that the EC can use to oppose it. If users can choose ApplePay( gives Apple a cut~) or other payment system (Apple get 0) it should be fully within the law as it’s a universal rule

Understood - disagree obviously, but understand where you’re coming from.


Me too - I’d use ApplePay everywhere if I could.

Indeed for me it’s the ability for a competitive market instead of a single enforceable function.

 

[Abazigal]

Nobody wants to freeload .. in fact, the "scumbag company" (your words, not mine) would be delighted to just offer their Apps direct to consumer and not burden any of Apple's AppStore infrastructure.

Apple is the one FORCING people to "burden their infrastructure"

I prefer my apps to stay in the App Store. Perhaps Apple’s priorities are not that divergent from the very consumers who buy and use their products after all.

It’s funny how throughout all this, no one has asked the customer just what they feel about this. Why is epic being allowed to dictate policy on a matter which affects both developers and consumers?

 

[Ethosik]

Smartphones aren't games consoles. They're general purpose computing devices. It's not 2007.

This is a blatantly spiteful move from a company that has lost its compass under Cook.

This argument keeps getting brought up nonstop. If Apple decides one day to stop making iPhones should there be a law that FORCES THEM to make it? This isn't 2007 anymore, you have DOZENS of choices for phones. No its not "just two" as people say, there are dozens of Android manufacturers and guess what, some even have their own store!!!!

GO to Android, the solution is RIGHT THERE.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

I prefer my apps to stay in the App Store. Perhaps Apple’s priorities are not that divergent from the very consumers who buy and use their products after all.

It’s funny how throughout all this, no one has asked the customer just what they feel about this. Why is epic being allowed to dictate policy on a matter which affects both developers and consumers?

Well what other method is better than giving them the option to choose?

If we do a small controlled experiment where you have 1 store and in another place you have more than one.

If they want a singular one then it willl keep 99% of the votes. If you’re wrong then the AppStore will demoted by alternative stores and become irrelevant

Or they puzm bs flex s fö besök lf smm

 

[Ethosik]

Only in your head.

Apple is currently facing regulatory investigation in:

US
EU
UK
Japan
India
Russia
Turkey
Portugal

Nowhere close to the same scrutiny on gaming.

Gaming is getting majorly scrutinized these days too. Loot boxes and others are being challenged. Epic themselves got in to hot water because they were preying on kids buying stuff in Fortnite. Gaming is more valuable than the entirety of Hollywood.

 

[Ethosik]

Throw Tim Cook in prison until he realizes that the law isn't optional.

Okay.....what law? I am pretty sure Apple has better lawyers than those that post here. The court ruled Apple's ban was justified and they can keep it banned. So is everyone wrong but you?

 

[Ethosik]

Seems to be lots of investors around here, so no surprise there.

Until a law states NO in clear cut dry case no point in going to court, Apple is legally obligated to protect the wishes of their shareholders and protect their investors. Apple makes a good amount....a Ridiculous amount in these fees. Apple is performing their fiduciary responsibility to battle it as much as they can.

 

[Ethosik]

This is why I got bored with gaming and stopped playing games. Besides gaming is an addiction that they want to ruin the rest of you life with, like a drug. Thankfully I found more interesting things to do than play video games.

Expedition 33, Baldur's Gate 3 and more are turning the industry upside down. I hate AAA gaming, and I just love how these small studios are putting EVERYONE to shame. Literally $1 billion reported budget for GTA 6, with rumors stating it is $3 billion. Good lord, why do games need to major budget. E33 blows away any recent title with very high budgets. And frankly, I expect GTA 6 to be a big let down. Overhyped and delayed like No Mans Sky and Cyberpunk was.

 

[Ethosik]

You think Apple would go bankrupt without the app store revenue? That is definitely unserious.

If everything has to have it's costs recovered within it's own business unit, what is covering this. 👇

Apple Is Losing Over $1 Billion per Year on Streaming Service, Has 45 Million Apple TV+ Subscribers (Report)

Apple TV+ is reportedly losing more than $1 billion per year as the company is spending $4.5 billion on content annually.

variety.com

No, but it would significantly devalue the company, thus their stock, thus investors and shareholders don't want to see that thus could lead to a cascade effect. Playing with any sorts of revenue, especially when you are as big as Apple is tricky business.

We are literally reaching the ultimate endgame of capitalism and it is horrible. This is why we have game companies increasing the cost of the 5 year old console and $80 games because they do not want to have ANY DIP in their quarterly earnings. And everyone's retirement investments depends on this constant growth mechanic.

 

[Ethosik]

The difference is buddy in terms of mobile apps you ONLY have two choices in the west

Not really. There is iOS App Store and Google Play Store, but as an example if you have a Samsung phone you can use this. https://galaxystore.samsung.com/games

 

[turbineseaplane]

We are literally reaching the ultimate endgame of capitalism and it is horrible. This is why we have game companies increasing the cost of the 5 year old console and $80 games because they do not want to have ANY DIP in their quarterly earnings. And everyone's retirement investments depends on this constant growth mechanic.

I agree 100%

It’s really getting ugly

 

[Ethosik]

Incorrect not once did Tim Sweeney say that apple wasn’t entitled to a commission on digital sales regarding IAP because epic take a commission on sales made

Just because a company wants better terms against another then why are people taking it personally

Tim Sweeney’s Epic Games Store Is Still Losing Money After Five Years

That’s straight from Epic Games Store head Steve Allison on the witness stand who admitted the storefront is still losing money.

www.forbes.com

Seems like Epic Games Store's 12% isn't doing the best job for them now is it?

30% is industry standard, really not sure why people have a big issue with this when Tim Sweeney stated in court that what their charge their Epic Store doesn't help. And it shows because that storefront sucks. Given all Apple does, 30% is definitely worth it.

 

[heretiq]

Hosting and content delivery isn’t that expensive.
Just look at the traffic Netflix or Youtube are pushing.

Dead wrong .. Netflix’s annual AWS bill 2 years ago was about $1 billion. These arguments and the conclusions based on them are woefully and comically uninformed.

 

[Ethosik]

Dead wrong .. Netflix’s annual AWS bill 2 years ago was about $1 billion. These arguments and the conclusions based on them are woefully and comically uninformed.

Yep, I have apps and content where I pay my own CDN and the fees are quite massive.

 

[heretiq]

Yep, I have apps and content where I pay my own CDN and the fees are quite massive.

Yep, infrastructure is expensive but largely done so well that people who don't have to fund or maintain it often take it for granted. It's clear that the most opinionated voices in this thread calling for Apple to give App Store services away or casually proposing radically different pricing schemes to appease grifters like Epic have zero experience with the subject matter.

 

[jfreedle2]

Expedition 33, Baldur's Gate 3 and more are turning the industry upside down. I hate AAA gaming, and I just love how these small studios are putting EVERYONE to shame. Literally $1 billion reported budget for GTA 6, with rumors stating it is $3 billion. Good lord, why do games need to major budget. E33 blows away any recent title with very high budgets. And frankly, I expect GTA 6 to be a big let down. Overhyped and delayed like No Mans Sky and Cyberpunk was.

And not to mention Star Citizen.

 

[jfreedle2]

Yep, infrastructure is expensive but largely done so well that people who don't have to fund or maintain it often take it for granted. It's clear that the most opinionated voices in this thread calling for Apple to give App Store services away or casually proposing radically different pricing schemes to appease grifters like Epic have zero experience with the subject matter.

It does seem so.

 

[jfreedle2]

I agree 100%

It’s really getting ugly

That has nothing to do with Capitalism. It is the poisoned mindsets that socialism would ever work. Just a hint, it never has and never will. Not as long as people have free will.

 

[jfreedle2]

Okay.....what law? I am pretty sure Apple has better lawyers than those that post here. The court ruled Apple's ban was justified and they can keep it banned. So is everyone wrong but you?

They just want Fortnite available at any cost. There are consequences to what they want and they will never see it coming.

 

[jfreedle2]

if my reason is not correct
Then why is it that the only country in the world with 3 mobile operating systems is in china.
And Apple are in 3rd place with sales down 50%
And google is not number 1 in search in china

Is that because huawei makes a better OS than iOS then?
Does this mean that baidu is better than google in china?

Yet it’s because Microsoft made a bad product and nothing else is the reason why they failed
And it’s also why no other company has managed to penetrate iOS or android
Because the products are bad and nothing else.

This is why your now seeing this happen

The answer to your question is Chinese Government mandate, not the “quality” of Huawei.

 

[Stuwil]

The answer to your question is Chinese Government mandate, not the “quality” of Huawei.

But it’s above iOS and succeeding
But according to some people nobody but the windows phone so that must mean it was bad because it failed?

 

[Stuwil]

That has nothing to do with Capitalism. It is the poisoned mindsets that socialism would ever work. Just a hint, it never has and never will. Not as long as people have free will.

That is wrong there are some aspects that socialism works

 

[Stuwil]

It does seem so.

How can epic be a grifter
When all they have done is challenge a private company