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This company really comes off as immature and malicious.

and rather dumb, because no matter how many folks don't like Apple's policies it doesn't mean they are illegal. i mean apple has been fighting folks trying to make anti trust etc claims for years. and every time it comes back that iOS apps, iPhones etc are NOT a market but part of much bigger ones and Apple is in the clear. that's not likely to change this time.
 
And that is why they are being treated this way. Epic knew the rules, thought about it, prepared a lawsuit and video, and intentionally broke them.

Again, you get treated differently if you do this kind of stuff. Of course Apple is being ruthless, and no its not giving Epic more ammo. Epic did the bad thing here. You intentionally broke a contract, you get the boot. You accidentally do something, you get treated differently.

Epic is arguing that the contract is coercive because Apple is using its market position as leverage to force onerous rules on developers, and capriciously changes those rules after the fact to suit its bottom line. It's probably why they filed a suit and are winning the PR battle. Try again.
 
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What would be a better fee? Or how would you define “crazy high”? What negotiation tactic would you employ to convince Apple to at least reconsider their fees?
Allow competition, and they can compete and revel what the real market price is.
 
And that is fine. But you are changing what an iPhone really is saying it should be free and open when it doesn't have to be. It is Apple's products. Just like I cannot try to force AMD to use NVIDIA's CUDA cores. AMD and NVIDIA are doing their own thing. Apple and Google are different that way. You are actually making an argument that proves to be Android is the better platform because it's open. And that is okay. You might prefer that. I don't. I knew up front that the iPhone was locked down. That is the one reason why I got the iPhone. Period. I use all of Apple's services and am in their ecosystem, but I can easily change if iPhone becomes open. Because Android does have some added benefits that iPhones do not have.

So my argument with regards to the iPhone being more than the general communication device and that it is buying into the Apple Ecosystem, that means you are buying a locked down device. It is not a general device, it is Apple specific device, locked down to Apple's store.

So, all Microsoft had to do back in the 90s was say you weren't just buying Windows, but into the Microsoft ecosystem and they would have been able to get by with bundling Office into Windows? If I didn't know any better, I'd say we were playing a game of semantics.

Edit: Also, please spare me the contrived "but Microsoft had 90% market share then" argument. All that proves is that regulators waited far too long to reel Microsoft in, and even with their actions to stop Microsoft, the word processing market was already too far destroyed to recover. It's an argument as to why Apple and Big Tech should be regulated now, not when they get to Microsoft's former market share.
 
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This was to long so I didn’t read it. All I know is that developers who used epic to build their games should be looking to recoup their losses by suing Epic.

There was way too little effort put into this response, so I'm not considering it. Can't even be bothered to read a few paragraphs. lol.
 
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So does EPIC vow to write a dev kit for third parties to write mods for Fortnite and sell them as an IAP within the game with no commission to EPIC? Thought not.
 
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Thanks for giving the platform that made us rich... now BURN

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Hey, if you can kill the creator while leaving the platform intact, why not go for it. I thought you Apple fans were all about letting businesses do what businesses do?
 
If so important for epic that other companies meed to run open for all and free digital stores. Why dont epic then open up thier in game store so the users can sell home made skins and items for fortnite with zero money going to epic then 😝
 
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Hey, if you can kill the creator while leaving the platform intact, why not go for it. I thought you Apple fans were all about letting businesses do what businesses do?

Allowing third party payments and third party store would fundamentally change the platform. It would make the iPhone vulnerable to exploits and weaken its security. It would make the iPhone something that it’s currently not. Shouldn’t iPhone users have the right to pick a platform that’s different than Android?

How much did they make with Blackberry when they were the market leader? Why are iOS users the minority in users, but the majority in sales? Arguably it’s because users are more likely to buy when they feel their data is secure.
 
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If so important for epic that other companies meed to run open for all and free digital stores. Why dont epic then open up thier in game store so the users can sell home made skins and items for fortnite with zero money going to epic then 😝

Why don't both Apple and Epic Games open up their stores? That sounds like a consumer-friendly compromise.
 
I hope this backfires on Epic Games and the entire gaming industry. They tried turning this fight, which is essentially a fight for a bigger share of the pie and the ability to do whatever the **** they want on someone else's platform, into a moral crusade. Their propaganda machine is on full-blast with noble-sounding words to cover up how ridiculous they sound. They can charge kids $7.99 for some virtual currency so they can buy random lootboxes (basically encouraging early gambling) but somehow Apple is the bad guy for enforcing a rule that they do with every developers? (And how dare Apple try to take a slice of the profit. Mine mine mine) It's like me going into your house and start shting on all your house rules, then calling the police when I kick you out.

If anything comes out of this, my hope is that the world takes this opportunity to take an in-depth look into the shady and plain predatory industry that is the gaming industry. Everyone who reads this should take some time out of their day to do some research; it will make your blood boil. Social media gets a bad rap for building a business out of ensnaring an entire generation on dopamine spikes, but the real devil is the gaming industry!!! Lootboxes, virtual currencies, and all kind of psychological tricks and gimmicks to get people hooked. It's truly a den of thieves. Yet this multi-billion dollar company Epic Games is trying to claim the moral high-ground in this fight? Making a mockery out of all of us!

Many countries are already starting to look into regulating and toning down some of the more immoral practices in the gaming industry. Hopefully this fight will get US to start looking at the same. If anything needs regulating, it's the gaming industry!

Maybe some good will come out of this after all.
 
Allowing third party payments and third party store would fundamentally change the platform. It would make the iPhone vulnerable to exploits and weaken its security. It would make the iPhone something that it’s currently not. Shouldn’t iPhone users have the right to pick a platform that’s different than Android?

How much did they make with Blackberry when they were the market leader? Why are iOS users the minority in users, but the majority in sales? Arguably it’s because users are more likely to buy when they feel their data is secure.

Arguably conjecture, yes.

Vulnerable to the same exploits the world is already used to. I prefer to choose how to keep myself safe, your argument has just hit a brick wall for anybody that doesn't need to be babysat.
 
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So, all Microsoft had to do back in the 90s was say you weren't just buying Windows, but into the Microsoft ecosystem and they would have been able to get by with bundling Office into Windows? If I didn't know any better, I'd say we were playing a game of semantics.

Edit: Also, please spare me the contrived "but Microsoft had 90% market share then" argument. All that proves is that regulators waited far too long to reel Microsoft in, and even with their actions to stop Microsoft, the word processing market was already too far destroyed to recover. It's an argument as to why Apple and Big Tech should be regulated now, not when they get to Microsoft's former market share.
Did you mean the IE issue instead of Office? I do not recall Microsoft wanting to bundle Office in Windows and were forced not to.
 
I hope this backfires on Epic Games and the entire gaming industry. They tried turning this fight, which is essentially a fight for a bigger share of the pie and the ability to do whatever the **** they want on someone else's platform, into a moral crusade. Their propaganda machine is on full-blast with noble-sounding words to cover up how ridiculous they sound. They can charge kids $7.99 for some virtual currency so they can buy random lootboxes (basically encouraging early gambling) but somehow Apple is the bad guy for enforcing a rule that they do with every developers? (And how dare Apple try to take a slice of the profit. Mine mine mine) It's like me going into your house and start shting on all your house rules, then calling the police when I kick you out.

If anything comes out of this, my hope is that the world takes this opportunity to take an in-depth look into the shady and plain predatory industry that is the gaming industry. Everyone who reads this should take some time out of their day to do some research; it will make your blood boil. Social media gets a bad rap for building a business out of ensnaring an entire generation on dopamine spikes, but the real devil is the gaming industry!!! Lootboxes, virtual currencies, and all kind of psychological tricks and gimmicks to get people hooked. It's truly a den of thieves. Yet this multi-billion dollar company Epic Games is trying to claim the moral high-ground in this fight? Making a mockery out of all of us!

Many countries are already starting to look into regulating and toning down some of the more immoral practices in the gaming industry. Hopefully this fight will get US to start looking at the same. If anything needs regulating, it's the gaming industry!

Maybe some good will come out of this after all.

The world has already picked it's piece of cake for tonight, and that's Apple. Maybe if we want seconds, but by then Apple will be in the world's stomach, so your point is kind of moot concerning AAPL.
 
Epic is arguing that the contract is coercive because Apple is using its market position as leverage to force onerous rules on developers, and capriciously changes those rules after the fact to suit its bottom line. It's probably why they filed a suit and are winning the PR battle. Try again.

I can argue any contract is illegal. But it still doesn't give me a pass to break it without any issues until a court decides it is illegal.
 
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