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I do believe the App store policies are archaic and outdated, they are no longer evolving with the times and what consumers do. There needs to be a much fairer way to claw money from developers, rather than blanket 30%/15% cuts of all revenue.

Apple are stifling competition and new technologies (see xcloud/stadia) with current rules.
 
Arguably conjecture, yes.

Vulnerable to the same exploits the world is already used to. I prefer to choose how to keep myself safe, your argument has just hit a brick wall for anybody that doesn't need to be babysat.
It actually funny that you are trying to take choice away from consumers, many others and choose to keep ourselves safe by buying iPhones and being part of Apples walled garden. You want to take this choice away from us and turn iOS into android. You get what you want and all of us who are very with apples ecosystem as screwed as we no longer have a safe ecosystem, our choice now is Google's Android or Apples Android. People like you is why we cant have nice things
 
So what if Apple makes more money on hardware, that just means Apple is doing a better job at selling their product. That should have zero bearing on whether or not Apple should be singled out for the same policies and practices that the console companies engage in and have for years.

Are you sure? To me it looks like different business models...
 
The allusion to the Apple 1984 ad is somewhat convincing.

I would not mind a walled garden, if I could always take my stroll outside at my own risk.

Most users won't want that, and that is okay. But I can not accept the paternalistic attitude of total control over Apps and content that Apple is exerting ad nauseam.

It is my hardware after all and on that hardware I want to be able to run whatever I want.
 
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Great! If Spotify wins a case against Apple on this, then artists will definitely have a case against Spotify. Can’t wait!
 
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Steve Jobs would probably have gotten fortnite deleted from every iOS device remotely by now.

Epic has made an enemy that neither forgives nor forgets.
Sadly they didn’t do it, this would just prove how far they can go. Looks like Tim Cook is at least not choleric like Steve Jobs was.
 
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Tencent, Bytedance and the murderous organ harvesting mass detaining pirating thieving CCP regime keep doubling down on stupidity.

Using Epic as a proxy attack on American companies is too plain obvious to see.

Demanding that iOS be turned into an open platform is a very obvious attempt to get malware, spyware and ransomware on to iPhones and iPads and to circumvent bans on Chinese software.

This whole strategy had nothing to do with App Store pricing. Nobody challenges Tencent’s commissions and monopoly because they are backed by a dictatorship.

What we need to see:

1 apologies and reparations for spreading COVID 19 out of China
2 apologies for the mass gathering of personal information on citizens worldwide
3 apologies for pirating products and flooding the world’s markets with cheap knock offs
4 the liberation of Hong Kong 🇭🇰
5 the liberation of Tibet
6 the liberation of Uighur people
7 an end to the massive fleets of illegal over fishing off the coast of South America
8 apologies and reparations to the families of all organ harvesting victims
9 stop flooding the world with lethal designer drugs like fentanyl
 
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Tencent, Bytedance and the murderous organ harvesting mass detaining pirating thieving CCP regime keep doubling down on stupidity.

Using Epic as a proxy attack on American companies is too plain obvious to see.

Demanding that iOS be turned into an open platform is a very obvious attempt to get malware, spyware and ransomware on to iPhones and iPads and to circumvent bans on Chinese software.

This whole strategy had nothing to do with App Store pricing. Nobody challenges Tencent’s commissions and monopoly because they are backed by a dictatorship.

What we need to see:

1 apologies and reparations for spreading COVID 19 out of China
2 apologies for the mass gathering of personal information on citizens worldwide
3 apologies for pirating products and flooding the world’s markets with cheap knock offs
4 the liberation of Hong Kong 🇭🇰
5 the liberation of Tibet
6 the liberation of Uighur people
7 an end to the massive fleets of illegal over fishing off the coast of South America
8 apologies and reparations to the families of all organ harvesting victims
On which place of the human centipede are you exactly?
 
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Sadly they didn’t do it, this would just prove how far they can go. Looks like Tim Cook is at least not choleric like Steve Jobs was.

From what I can see so far, Apple has pretty much consistent in following their own rules when it comes to dealing with the situation.

They deleted Fortnite when Epic sneaked in an alternative payment system, and revoked Epic’s account when faced with a lawsuit.

In contrast, Epic is the one dead set on escalating the entire situation, but first updating their app in a manner they knew would get it banned from the App Store, then followed up with that video and a lawsuit in an attempt to get public opinion on their end, and are now implying that their unreal engine might be at risk were they to be blocked from the App Store.

Even if Epic does subsequently decide that they have proven their point and updates Fortnite to be allowed back into the App Store, I hope Apple doesn’t just let them go scot-free like that.

We probably won’t see any more Epic game presentations at Apple keynotes for a while.
 
This and the recent XCloud situation are really limiting iOS as a gaming platform. Unless of course you are contented with Apple Arcade. Personally for me XCloud is a big loss and was really disappointed to hear that it would only be available to the Android platform.
 
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I take that back. I know one guy who used to download dodgy pirated software from KaZaA, and he got something. So yeah, maybe don’t do stuff like that. Common sense.

Malware like WannaCrypt needs no dodgy pirated software to spread itself. In fact it needs no human interaction at all. You have a computer, and it's powered on, and it's connected to Ethernet or WiFi, then it can become victim without having you even touching that computer in the process.

No it's not "common sense" anymore. System vulnerability are the main source of security risk these days and keep your system up-to-date is crucial for cyber security. That's the actual "new" common sense.
 
Epic is making over $1 billion just in mobile revenue in a short 2 years, conveniently riding on the 1.5billion user base Apple built in the last few decades. 30% commission is actually very reasonable by looking at the value they get. Epic could have just stop at PC and console. Even that they will still able to make **** tons of money with their in-game purchases. Now They want money, they expand in mobile. and now they face a roadblock, they whine as if they are the victim. Not saying Apple is all saint but Epic is equally a bunch of greedy *******s.

What make Epic even more disgusting is they paint the picture as if they are the good guys helping to fight the evil Apple to save the gaming community. ewww..
 
This and the recent XCloud situation are really limiting iOS as a gaming platform. Unless of course you are contented with Apple Arcade. Personally for me XCloud is a big loss and was really disappointed to hear that it would only be available to the Android platform.
Apple Arcade is a joke, full of games made of the same soup. Most of them looks and feels equally, due to the Apple dictatorship. Same with AppleTV+, stuff there are just boring, except a few movies which wasn’t originally made for AppleTV+. Even Tom Hanks noticed this and called them“...Apple overlords...”
 
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This isn't Apple vs Epic etc etc it's just power and money vs power and money (yes and data, control etc). Arguments come and go from all angles but at the heart of it, the issue is about power and money (like many things in life). Reverse the parties and you'd find the same issues, there's no way this is simply 'freedom vs the bad apple' !
 
This isn't Apple vs Epic etc etc it's just power and money vs power and money (yes and data, control etc). Arguments come and go from all angles but at the heart of it, the issue is about power and money (like many things in life). Reverse the parties and you'd find the same issues, there's no way this is simply 'freedom vs the bad apple' !
This just shows that this “new” business type generally needs some regulations by law.
 
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