Epic Games Announces 'Fortnite: Save the World' Will No Longer Be Playable on macOS

[scaramoosh]

I'm glad Epic tried, and I hope they keep kicking up and fuss, and using their clout to get other developers to come off the App Store. Apple will eventually have to give in if games and apps stop coming to their stores. I mean Apple are switching to ARM soon, imagine if Epic do not bring Unreal Engine to it, it would be a big blow for gaming and developing on Macs.

I just don't get why people here defend Apple against everything.

 

[Born2Run]

I just don't get why people here defend Apple against everything.

So you’re saying that even if people agree with Apple they shouldn’t defend them because that isn’t fair?

Epic are greedy bastards who deserve everything they get!

I don’t want different app stores on iOS, I would much rather have one store that’s managed well.
I like being part of the Apple ‘monopoly’ ... That’s one reason I stick with them!

if Epic think the 30% is unreasonable, why didn't they (or any other developer) take Apple to court before releasing any apps?

 

[ctdonath]

What’s funny is Epic is angry at Apple for doing what Epic does: provide a service and take a profitable cut. Apple supplies servers to distribute sw (if you want us to host your app, you’re going to use our payment system for a fee). Epic supplies servers to distribute sw (if you want to play our game, you will use our servers for a fee).

 

[Nogi Memes]

Isn't this "retaliatory" and "harmful to users?" Yet the judge prevented Apple from kicking Epic International and Unreal Engine out of the Developer Program for the same reasons.

 

[Deliro]

Given that a tiny % of their revenue comes from Apple products they don’t probably care.

 

[ravenstar]

Is Apple.
30% is pure greed.

What'd you think of the 50% retailers were taking before Apple came along?

 

[ravenstar]

I don't care about the fees, but I do care about side loading apps.

It is my device, I bought it and I should be able to install any software I want without Apple's nanny political interference.

There is absolutely no reason why side loading cannot be done today!

If this is how you feel, you bought the wrong device. It's absurd to say you should be enabled to do whatever you want with a device that was sold to you as not having that capability. It's not Apple that looks bad in this case.

 

[ravenstar]

I just don't get why people here defend Apple against everything.

There are two main reasons people are defending Apple: Freedom, as in Apple's freedom (or any company's or developer's) to run the platform it developed the way it wants to. (Remember, if Apple can't control its platform then no one else can either.) And preference: Many people actually like the way Apple's platform works and they don't appreciate someone else trying to destroy it. What I don't get is why so many people feel the need to attack Apple's platform instead of choosing an alternative and getting on with their lives? It feels like they secretly believe Apple's platform is better than the alternatives.

 

[jlocker]

There are two main reasons people are defending Apple: Freedom, as in Apple's freedom (or any company's or developer's) to run the platform it developed the way it wants to. (Remember, if Apple can't control its platform then no one else can either.) And preference: Many people actually like the way Apple's platform works and they don't appreciate someone else trying to destroy it. What I don't get is why so many people feel the need to attack Apple's platform instead of choosing an alternative and getting on with their lives? It feels like they secretly believe Apple's platform is better than the alternatives.

In 6 years of doing Mobile Phone sales and support, how many phones do you think that I got that were android and they were infected with spyware, malware, key logging and system killing software and how many Apple phones do you think I got had these virus? Customers are their worst enemies because they are not tech savvy they end up killing their phones and wiping their personal data away. That is why the Apple store is their!

 

[nt5672]

If this is how you feel, you bought the wrong device. It's absurd to say you should be enabled to do whatever you want with a device that was sold to you as not having that capability. It's not Apple that looks bad in this case.

Nope there is a big difference between using a secure platform that I can make smart decisions to meet my needs and an insecure platform that will never be secure.

 

[I7guy]

Nope there is a big difference between using a secure platform that I can make smart decisions to meet my needs and an insecure platform that will never be secure.

Unless the courts change that Apples ecosystem will work differently, there is no stopping tech savvy people from doing what they want (assuming one has the tech savvy-ness to make the phone perform as they want). Within that however, Apple has deemed it that "sideloading" for the masses is not something that is supported. One has to know that going in and make a platform decision based on that.

 

[derbothaus]

There are two main reasons people are defending Apple: Freedom, as in Apple's freedom (or any company's or developer's) to run the platform it developed the way it wants to. (Remember, if Apple can't control its platform then no one else can either.) And preference: Many people actually like the way Apple's platform works and they don't appreciate someone else trying to destroy it. What I don't get is why so many people feel the need to attack Apple's platform instead of choosing an alternative and getting on with their lives? It feels like they secretly believe Apple's platform is better than the alternatives.

Because they are young or new to Apple and don't understand Apple's entire business strategy since the 80's. Play by Apple's rules or go away, Apple don't care. They built a successful walled garden by controlling every aspect. MS could have done it and had a stable platform too, but money and partner's were more important. Open up your platform and in comes the bugs, the instability, the virus's, and, more positively, the bleeding HW edge. Everyone wants Apple to change, but if Apple changed, no one would care about Apple anymore. If you don't remember the clone wars and the carnage that came with it, your opinion on this matter holds little merit.

 

[Piggie]

Epic Games are fools. Absolute fools. Why do they think Apple should treat them differently to any other developer? The App Store has allowed Fortnite to grow and earn them higher amounts of revenue, and yet they‘re shooting themselves in the foot with this little tantrum because they can’t get what they want. Good riddance to them I say.

Well the fact that Apple DO treat some other companies differently does not help.
Despite what you think.
Apple have blatantly flat our lied with their broad statement that they treat everyone exactly the same on the app stores, as they have cut others special deals.
Now, you may agree of disagree with those deals, and of course Apple are free to make special one off deals with anything if they feel like it.
But it's not a good look when Apple flat out lie about not doing deals, then the media finds out they have and do special deals with some companies.

 

[TiggrToo]

Nope there is a big difference between using a secure platform that I can make smart decisions to meet my needs and an insecure platform that will never be secure.

Your “smart” decisions can create problems.

Hence the Apple App Store.

Apple have a secure platform because they do their damndest to do everything to vet all the apps that can go on there.

The alternative is an inherent weakness in the platform.Even a microscopic crack can eventually cause the best damns in the world to fail.

 

[LaFrentz]

Fall Guys Season 2 starts Oct 6 and welcomes all previous EPIC / Fortnite players for sure

Bye Bye EPIC!

 

[Unregistered 4U]

They are giving the finger to apple, slitherine game company as none the same thing.

Ummmmm, what?

Or, simply get rid of nanny political interference in the Apple App approval precess.

So, you don’t like the nanny political interference BUT you’re going to continue to buy Apple products? You know that sends the message to Apple that you really don’t mind that nanny political interference too much.

and using their clout to get other developers to come off the App Store.

Unless they are going to pay other developer’s salaries for a few months/years, they have precisely zero clout. Apple cutting checks to develoopers, Epic isn’t. It’s easy to see where the developer’s interest lies.

Apple have blatantly flat our lied with their broad statement that they treat everyone exactly the same on the app stores, as they have cut others special deals.

Whatever deal they cut is now a part of their rules which ANYONE that comes along with the same business model would get. No, there’s not that many Amazon’s in the world, but if one were to come up, they’d be governed by the same rules Amazon is.

 

[Eorlas]

lmfao, anyone who supports tim sweeney at this point is just as childish as him

"because of apple's actions"

feel whatever way you want about apple's app store policies. epic games is a big company with big boy lawyers who signed into an agreement through their developer account, and they knew exactly what was happening. disliking it is fine, breaking the rules and being punished for it, then blaming the other guy for dishing out the expected punishment

*is literally what children do*

 

[deeddawg]

lmfao, anyone who supports tim sweeney at this point is just as childish as him

"because of apple's actions"

feel whatever way you want about apple's app store policies. epic games is a big company with big boy lawyers who signed into an agreement through their developer account, and they knew exactly what was happening. disliking it is fine, breaking the rules and being punished for it, then blaming the other guy for dishing out the expected punishment

*is literally what children do*

Yep. Epic intentionally trojan-horsed their way around the app store rules. Then when they got busted and given the opportunity to abide by the rules and resubmit an app that wasn't in violation of the terms, Epic instead chose to double down with a lawsuit and various media pushes including that riff on Apple's 1984 ad.

The timeline of events makes it clear this was a planned / staged intentional breech of the contact Epic had agreed to, and clearly not an "oops we didn't know".

Upon Epic making it clear they had no intention of adhering to their contract/agreement with Apple, (armchair lawyer analysis) Apple may not have had a choice but to term their developer account so as to not set a precedent. Note that Apple gave advance warning of that termination, allowing Epic yet another opportunity to change course.

Whatever one might think of walled gardens and the % cut Apple takes, one clear rule in business is that if your product is substantially dependent on another company's platform, and you're not of sufficient size that the platform owner cares if you're on their platform or not, you don't poke the dragon.

Epic poked the dragon. Epic kept poking the dragon. The dragon responded.

 

[Piggie]

Whatever deal they cut is now a part of their rules which ANYONE that comes along with the same business model would get. No, there’s not that many Amazon’s in the world, but if one were to come up, they’d be governed by the same rules Amazon is.

Sorry, but this still sounds like a blatant lie by Tim Cook to me:

 

[deeddawg]

Sorry, but this still sounds like a blatant lie by Tim Cook to me:

Based on what?

I'm asking out of genuine curiosity - while I find the nuances of this stuff interesting, I'm not a developer. And while I find Apple products tend to fit my preferences best today, I have no affinity for them as a company - they're a major corporation aiming to keep their shareholders happy. Should a different platform end up being the better fit to my needs I'd change with no qualms (other than the cost).

 

[Manzanito]

lmfao, anyone who supports tim sweeney at this point is just as childish as him

"because of apple's actions"

feel whatever way you want about apple's app store policies. epic games is a big company with big boy lawyers who signed into an agreement through their developer account, and they knew exactly what was happening. disliking it is fine, breaking the rules and being punished for it, then blaming the other guy for dishing out the expected punishment

*is literally what children do*

Well, one can agree with Mr. Sweeney regarding app store policy. One can even applaud the risky move Epic has made, and hope they win the lawsuit. None of that is invalidated by the attitude of Epic’s CEO.

Nevertheless, the guy needs to let it go. The case is being judged, wait for the outcome and stop being a child.

 

[psingh01]

If they were willing to risk dropping iOS support, dropping macOS won’t be a big deal. They probably spend more on electricity running their servers than they get from macOS gamers. Too bad for the very few that are affected, but gaming on the mac is hardly worth the effort.

Even with the limited choices, subscribing to apple’s no name game arcade is still not appealing to me either.

 

[Piggie]

Based on what?

I'm asking out of genuine curiosity - while I find the nuances of this stuff interesting, I'm not a developer. And while I find Apple products tend to fit my preferences best today, I have no affinity for them as a company - they're a major corporation aiming to keep their shareholders happy. Should a different platform end up being the better fit to my needs I'd change with no qualms (other than the cost).

"Apple Treats All Developers The Same" Tim Cook said.
When we all know they don't

If you state something that's not true, that's a lie IMHO.

 

[deeddawg]

When we all know they don't

I don't know that they don't.
I don't know that they do.

Thus my question.

What are some current examples of different developers being treated differently?

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Sorry, but this still sounds like a blatant lie by Tim Cook to me:

That the world is round sounds like a blatant lie to some folks as well. And, similarly, you can’t convince anyone that wants to hear it as a lie as anything otherwise.