You could be right. I think that their goal was to head for the exit and just wanted to cause a ruckus on the way out. The part that’s not playing out the way they expected is business partners, like Unreal developers, watching this play out and realizing they’d rather work with a more stable partner (or use internal engines) going forward.
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Epic Games Announces 'Fortnite: Save the World' Will No Longer Be Playable on macOS
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More like Goliath against Thanos. Epic is big, but apple plays on another league.
To the best of my knowledge, none of Epic's Mac apps broke Apple's terms and conditions. Their iOS app did - and the usual punishment is to reject/remove the app that breaks the rules from its respective App Store. Other developers (such as Facebook) have gotten away with much worse, without even that happening to them.
Moreover, when Apple rejects or removes an app, the developer is allowed to keep developing apps (including the same app on a platform where the rules are less restrictive), provided these apps don't also break Apple's terms and conditions. Apple only ever terminates a developer's entire account in extreme cases, such as outright releasing malware - or, in Epic's case, because Apple wanted to make a very public example of them.
You don't change things by acting like an infant. You open a dialogue first. If that fails, you escalate. Epic went straight to nuclear without any discussion.
If I want a better mortgage rate, I phone up and say "I'm not happy with the current rate."; I don't just stop paying my mortgage.
Is that true if they lost developer status? Or are there different dev accounts for each Apple OS?
It’s not so much automatically taking Apple’s side, it’s more automatically being against a company that would agree to do business in a particular way and then renege on that agreement. Folks understand these types of “agreements between entities” because they have to deal with it every day.
Any inherent bias is the same bias folks have against entities that renege on a contract, which does brings a certain amount of due disdain with it.
They were never going to get a coalition because those other companies value contracts between them and other comanies and they adhere to those. If anything, so that, if there are disagreements, that shows they were at least attempting to operate in good faith.
I’d bet the majority wouldn’t care because what was happening with Dell didn’t affect them very much if at all. Add “Apple” or “Mac” in there anywhere and you might get some attention.
Great idea and I'm sure Apple's brass has thought of this move, yet I doubt it's their style. Apple does NOT want to be seen as the bully or the one putting salt in a fresh wound.
LOL.
Apple: 'I ain't no joke'
When you're both so desperate to refute my post that you end up contradicting each other's arguments.
This is purely a spiteful move by Epic. macOS isn't tethered to the App Store on Macs, so they could make it work if they wanted to do that.
For those that think Epic won’t be affected by this on consoles. The first thing i thought of when i saw Fortnight in the PS5 preview the other day was, well I’m not getting that. Epic can’t be trusted. I’m not going to spend on a volatile company that is going to take my money and then pull their game midstream. Sony store is a closed platform that takes 30%. Same as Apple. If they are true to their word, its only a matter of time they try this stunt with users money their too. That saying, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, applies here. Guess what Epic, there will be no shame on me. Your loss, not mine.
They are giving the finger to apple, slitherine game company as none the same thing.
This is the part that confuses me. Like you said, there’s no requirement to distribute the game through the Mac App Store, so why are they allowing that to cause their customer base to diminish? This move in particular makes me feel like they are simply doing this to play victim, and call foul on Apple, when, especially with Mac, they’re is a completely logical and allowed workaround.
Who the ever stoped anyone from developing anything for OSX / MACOS?
Everyone and their mom is releasing whatever they want without using the App Store on desktop.
With their own, Apple Tax free, monetization.
Is this marketing for the stupidest of their players? W00t?
Everyone and their mom is releasing whatever they want without using the App Store on desktop.
With their own, Apple Tax free, monetization.
Is this marketing for the stupidest of their players? W00t?
A) I'm a software engineer
B) This does, in fact, have to do with signing, specifically how Apple handles this in OSX for recognized developers
Which is, not surprisingly, what Epic said if you actually took the time to read their statement instead of trying to explain software and SDKs, it's literally the first sentence
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Apple is preventing Epic from signing games and patches for distribution on Mac, which ends our ability to develop and offer Fortnite: Save the World for the platformYou don't actually need a developer account to develop or publish software for MacOS (and no, despite your comment, it doesnt need to be on the App store at all, in fact Fortnite isnt *now* for MacOS), but you do need one to sign software as an "identified developer". Software that's unsigned can still be run, you just need to explicitly allow it (right now, in the GUI, that means right clicking the app and explicitly opening, then allowing)
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Will I get modded for this? hope not. I don’t mean to start a discussion (please nobody reply in that manner... not entirely, 100% sure of this anyway..)
“Apple told Epic that it was ready to "welcome Fortnite back onto iOS" if Epic removed the direct payment option and returned to the status quo while the legal battle plays out in court, but Epic has refused.”
But god... it really seems as some people say: everything really does, sometimes, seem entirely meaningless under capitalism, huh...? 🤔 (or at least it’s state in present day)
“Apple told Epic that it was ready to "welcome Fortnite back onto iOS" if Epic removed the direct payment option and returned to the status quo while the legal battle plays out in court, but Epic has refused.”
But god... it really seems as some people say: everything really does, sometimes, seem entirely meaningless under capitalism, huh...? 🤔 (or at least it’s state in present day)
They are fighting for all developers. 30% of the take is egregious.
Apple is in an interesting situation.
They require onerous fees and prevent side loading of applications.
This is a case of monopolistic behavior.
Google on the other hand cannot be accused as such because you can elect to install apps outside the App Store.
Apple ultimately may not win. They may have to lower fees or allow side loading.
1. I wasn’t replying to the other poster. Attempting to make two unrelated posts face each other is illogical.
2. In my post I assumed it’s one account across the ecosystem, which agrees with the other poster. The point is that Mac apps can be installed separately outside the App Store. Epic isn’t utilizing this option, with negates an argument that iOS needs to be similarly open. Ergo, they’re shooting themselves in the foot with their own stubborn actions.
3. Your emphasized comments apply solely to yourself. Double irony.
The problem arises because even if Epic removed direct in app on iOS but then allowed the syncing between MacOS that does not follow the rules, it still breaks the rules.
The solution looks simple.
Buy your content offline from iOS then sync. Nope.