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you guys are so petty for going against fortnite being reinstated. why do you white knight over apple? it's shooting it's own customers in the foot. fortnite isn't illegal or a security risk. there is no reason why it shouldn't be reinstated. you're basically saying that you're upset that apple lost thousands or a few million in lawyer fees but this lawsuit helped bring to light some of the BS on both companies.
Please buy a smartphone from a different company. There was a contract between Epic and Apple. Epic breached it to get more money and they suffered the consequence. Go play Fortnite on another device please.
 
Absolutely false. Apple livs and dies by the App Store. If apple would neglect the store it would lead to the death if iOS devices.

now that apple also have competition for iAP and the treats of legal actions they might actually improve the horrendous thing called the “App Store”. And perhaps innovative to make iAP preferred to other methods, such as lowering the fee to competitive levels.
It's already the cheapest way to do a IAP. It costs way more to do it alone or on the Epic game store. People just see 15% or 30% and think thats it, well that 15% or 30% is only the end of it if you are on the AppStore, Google Play, Microsoft Store, or Steam.
 
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You realize that every platform charges the same 30% fees, right? Before Apple came up with the App Store, brick and mortar stores charged between 60% to 70% fees for having the games and software on the shelf and that includes Epic themselves too. Ask Epic why they want to have the cake and eat it too when they themselves charged 60% at some point in time.

Steam set the 30%, Apple copied that because it was the industry standard and still is.
 
The law is on Epics side, all Epic needs to do now is, to wait a bit and to request a enforcement by law and judge.
The law would be on Epics side if they hadn't broken their contract and got the boot. Epic could have waited until now, put IAP on the SK store and then used that to show other countries that it is better or worse for developers. Epic are broke the rules and are an untrustworthy parter, even if they win their lawsuits around the world, Apple and Google can continue to ban them from their stores.
 
The law would be on Epics side if they hadn't broken their contract and got the boot. Epic could have waited until now, put IAP on the SK store and then used that to show other countries that it is better or worse for developers. Epic are broke the rules and are an untrustworthy parter, even if they win their lawsuits around the world, Apple and Google can continue to ban them from their stores.
That doesn’t matter you‘ll see…
This law renders Apples contract boot invalid.
The only thing that Epic will need to do is request an enforcement by law, maybe go through a quick lawsuit in North Korea.
Suing them in North Korea is nothing special for Epic.

Apple is not the law, and not everything somebody writes in a contract is valid.
That’s why things like the salvatorious clause exists.
 
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That doesn’t matter you‘ll see…
This law renders Apples contract boot invalid.
The only thing that Epic will need to do is request an enforcement by law, maybe go through a quick lawsuit in North Korea.
Suing them in North Korea is nothing special for Epic.
I am sure suing them in North Korea will go better than suing them in South Korea. But no, you can't force your product into a shop if the shop doesn't want to sell it.
 
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Are people hating on Epic for asking Apple to be compliant with the law? Why?
You can hate Epic all you want, but Apple is the ones breaking the law here.
 
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I think people are forgetting one key point of (USA) business: they have a right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, most don’t b/c they are afraid of the idiots spreading false information (I have worked retail, and have dealt people first hand that act this way and think they are owed. If you don’t understand, go get a job on retail or fast food, you will learn quick how ignorant people are.). It does NOT matter what the South Korean law does when it goes into effect - Apple is and would still be under no obligation to reinstate Epic Games development account - they would only be obligated to allow current and future approved developer accounts the benefit/harm from the enacted law.
And all these governments are now, after a decade or more of reaping the money/benefits of these big companies are only going after more of the pie - most of these laws do not and will not address the main issue, that the governments are/were slow to react and allowed via mergers/buyouts for these companies to become what they are.
 
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Page 79 of Apples Developer agreement, this will be the case here, when this all ends:
13. Any part of these terms and conditions may be void where prohibited or restricted by law.
 
I think people are forgetting one key point of (USA) business: they have a right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, most don’t b/c they are afraid of the idiots spreading false information (I have worked retail, and have dealt people first hand that act this way and think they are owed. If you don’t understand, go get a job on retail or fast food, you will learn quick how ignorant people are.). It does NOT matter what the South Korean law does when it goes into effect - Apple is and would still be under no obligation to reinstate Epic Games development account - they would only be obligated to allow current and future approved developer accounts the benefit/harm from the enacted law.
And all these governments are now, after a decade or more of reaping the money/benefits of these big companies are only going after more of the pie - most of these laws do not and will not address the main issue, that the governments are/were slow to react and allowed via mergers/buyouts for these companies to become what they are.
Nope, it's a North Korea business with an American Company.

To sell things in North Korea, they *must* accomplish to North Korea laws.
Epic will request a law enforcement, this will take a while but North Korea will enforce it.
If Apple don't obey, they will get constantly fined till they obey, till their money runs out, or till they end doing business in North Korea.

Ending the business in North Korea is not an option, simply because the same will happens in other parts of the world and probably even in the U.S., and this would lead even to more lawsuits.
If Apple continues with this stubborn childish behaviour it will cause them more damages(money and reputation wise), than obeying to the law from the beginning.
 
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Are people hating on Epic for asking Apple to be compliant with the law? Why?
You can hate Epic all you want, but Apple is the ones breaking the law here.
Apple aren't breaking any law. Epic on the other hand have broken the terms of service and subsequently been kicked off Google Play and the AppStore. Just because the law is changing in South Korea does not mean that Apple have to let in a proven untrusted partner.
 
Nope, it's a North Korea business with an American Company.

To sell things in North Korea, they *must* accomplish to North Korea laws.
Epic will request a law enforcement, this will take a while but North Korea will enforce it, and if Apple don't obey they will get constantly fined till they obey, their money runs out, or till they end doing business in North Korea.

But ending the business in North Korea is not an option, simply because the same will happens in other parts of the world and probably even in the U.S., and this would lead even to more lawsuits.
If Apple continues with this stubborn childish behaviour it will cause them more damages(money and reputation wise), than obeying to the law from the beginning.
North Korea doesn't have any say in the matter, they don't even have a AppStore and are unlikely to be using iPhones.
 
North Korea doesn't have any say in the matter, they don't even have a AppStore and are unlikely to be using iPhones.
Of course they do, it's their country heh

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ROFL yeah i was referring to "North" instead or "South", Sorry 🤪
It's about time for weekend.. 's/North/South/g'
 
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Nope, it's a North Korea business with an American Company.

To sell things in North Korea, they *must* accomplish to North Korea laws.
Epic will request a law enforcement, this will take a while but North Korea will enforce it.
If Apple don't obey, they will get constantly fined till they obey, till their money runs out, or till they end doing business in North Korea.

Ending the business in North Korea is not an option, simply because the same will happens in other parts of the world and probably even in the U.S., and this would lead even to more lawsuits.
If Apple continues with this stubborn childish behaviour it will cause them more damages(money and reputation wise), than obeying to the law from the beginning.

The South Korean government cannot force Apple to do business with Epic games. They can only enforce ”how” they do business if they do enter in to an agreement. Apple have sighted Epic’s stance on not adhering to the App store rules in general and so do not have to grant them a license. I dont think anything in the new Korean law would require Apple to readmit Epic given that trust between the two parties has vanished.

Remember that Epic did not need to break the license agreement in order to seek remedy in the courts. The two do not go hand in hand.
 
Apple aren't breaking any law. Epic on the other hand have broken the terms of service and subsequently been kicked off Google Play and the AppStore. Just because the law is changing in South Korea does not mean that Apple have to let in a proven untrusted partner.

Pretty sure the South Korean legislators will say Apple by default is not breaking national law. Apple has to bend the way the law tells them, leave the market or just kick out everyone who wants to use a third party PSP - but I am sure the legislators would drag them through the mud for that. Rightfully so.
 
Pretty sure the South Korean legislators will say Apple by default is not breaking national law. Apple has to bend the way the law tells them, leave the market or just kick out everyone who wants to use a third party PSP - but I am sure the legislators would drag them through the mud for that. Rightfully so.
Oh no, they wont leave the market nor will they kick anyone out using a third party PSP. But at the same time Epic broke contract and is showing no signs of being a trustworthy partner, so Apple don't need to let Epic back in.

Like if your landlord kicked you out because you sublet, then a year later tenants were allowed to sublet by law. Your ex landlord isn't going to just let you back in, you have already proven untrustworthy, what terms of the contract are you going to think don't apply to you next?
 
you guys are so petty for going against fortnite being reinstated. why do you white knight over apple? it's shooting it's own customers in the foot. fortnite isn't illegal or a security risk. there is no reason why it shouldn't be reinstated. you're basically saying that you're upset that apple lost thousands or a few million in lawyer fees but this lawsuit helped bring to light some of the BS on both companies.
They broke the rule. Pathetic piece of *** company. Gamers will leave Apple if they love fortnite so much. And Apple has absolutely no obligation to let that company in. So it’s up to them to decide. I will be happy to let fortnite which is being pushed by china get burned and buried.
 
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