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Epic Games Says Court 'Reached the Wrong Answer' and Made 'Multiple Legal Errors' in Apple Fight
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Oh ya I didn't realize that!
I think for me it's still too time consuming just to redeem all the games.
But I like the idea!
Who really cares about a stupid video game there are much more important issues.
Less likely doesn’t equal to “not happen”. Don’t think of “most people” like yourself; savvy, informed users that wouldn’t even answer the phone from a number they don’t know. MOST people are not tech savvy and assume that, if someone says they’re from Apple and they should go through the steps in order to remove the virus from their system, they should do it. Because, the Apple person surely knows what they’re talking about. “You want to walk me through the steps to install a new app to help protect me in the future? WELL, that’s mighty neighborly of you!”
These are the kind of folks that own most iPhones and the folks that are blissfully unaware that they currently have no malicious applications running in the background scraping all their data. This huge number of people are the ones that will be targeted and will find themselves affected. Because someone wants a vape app?
Crap games, crap company.
Epic Games and Apple are continuing with their legal dispute, and today, Epic Games filed its Appeal Reply and Cross-Appeal Response Brief, following Apple's appeal filing back in March.
In the filing, Epic Games reiterates many of the same arguments that it made during the trial. The company believes that the district court "reached the wrong answer" and made "multiple legal errors." Apple, says Epic, is ignoring these errors and "employing diversion" to distract the appeals court.
Responding to Apple's claim that sideloading or alternate app stores would compromise the security of the iPhone, Epic Games again points toward the Mac, where apps can be downloaded outside of the Mac App Store. Epic believes the only consequence of support for alternate app stores would be Apple having to "compete for its customers."The rest of the briefing dismantles Apple's own appeal and points out alleged errors made by both Apple and the court. It can be read in full over on Scribd, for those who are interested.
Going forward, additional briefs will be submitted by Apple and Epic Games before the court decides to set a date to hear the arguments. Apple is expecting a decision by summer 2023 at the earliest, so we will be continuing to hear about the dispute between Apple and Epic Games for another year at a minimum.
Apple has zero intention of reinstating the Epic Games developer account until the legal battle has been settled, so Fortnite will not be returning to the App Store. There are, however, alternatives, as Fortnite can be played on the browser on the iPhone or the iPad through Fortnite support on Microsoft's Xbox Cloud Gaming platform or GeForce NOW.
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Well, irrespective of the result of this case, Epic already won as their position has been validated by the Digital Marketing Act (DMA) that will be passed by the EU this year. It will force Apple to make the changes that will enable Epic to come to iOS through the front door while Apple will have no say in it. Until then, Epic will lose money but that is fine for Epic, I guess.
Agreed. The US case seems absurd, but what's happening in Korea and Europe is very anti-American business. The DMA is incredibly protectionist - pretty much only US companies fall under it (unless you count SAP and the big accounting firms - definition seems to be too narrow for Spotify). Wonder if SpaceX will fall under it.
Basically, Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft all seem screwed by the EU. Politics is becoming much more important than markets.
I guess Apple is also not making as much money (no 30% cut). So, both are losing. At least Epic is able to get the games through a browser, but Apple is left holding the sack. Poor Apple.
Epic wanted to circumvent Apple’s 30% cut altogether. Had Epic gotten its way, Apple would have gotten 0% anyways, so they haven’t lost anything by booting Fortnite out of the App Store.
Now, once the EU's DMA and the Antitrust bills in the USA come to pass, Apple may have to pay Epic and other developers a percentage to host their apps because otherwise all the apps will leave the Appstore in droves leaving it empty. Lol! Distinct possibility.
I doubt that anything meaningful will come of the lawsuit, in the US at least. Not least because of the current deadlock in congress, and Apple is still viewed rather favourably.
In the EU, I suspect Apple will still have a trick or two up their sleeve, when it comes to meeting the rulings per the letter of the law while giving up as little as possible in terms of revenue or control. It’s a game of chess, and I wouldn’t count out the possibility of Apple navigating the legislation and emerging relatively unscathed.
Anything is possible, but it’s not the first time Apple was supposedly “doomed” but emerged stronger for it.
Isn't Epic also suing Google?
How's that case going?
It's kinda funny that Epic is fighting with both mobile platforms.
I gotta wonder if Epic or Tim Sweeney will think "maybe it's me?"
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How's that case going?
It's kinda funny that Epic is fighting with both mobile platforms.
I gotta wonder if Epic or Tim Sweeney will think "maybe it's me?"
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The thing’s happening in EU and Korea isn’t anti American business. They identify predatory and harmful actions that big companies that acts like a bottle neck to the market.
Spotify is covered by the DMA, they just doesn’t have a core platform service. What would Spotify theoretically be forced to do?
Or Netflix? eBay? Uber? They all fulfill the gatekeeper clauses of revenue, user base and impact but have no core platform service.
Same with spaceX
Because they made laws that match American tech businesses. They're not complaining about VW group and such. This is the same thing they've been pulling since the 1990s.
In reality they are both right.
Epic actually makes some solid points on the hypocrasy of having an open OS like Mac OS and simultaneous closed OS like iOS and trying to justify the existence of both.
The courts were right to throw out Epic's case because the whole thing was a ruse.
In 2018-19 Fortnite on iOS accounted for 7% of overall revenue. The PS4 accounted for a whopping 47% of their $1.8bn revenue for that year. Based on a 30% cut from Sony and Apple that meant contributions of $38m to Apple and $260m to Sony. Projections for 19/20 meant a drop to 5% of revenue for iOS. Source
So why go after Apple when they gave more money to Sony? Its a combination of Apple being the biggest fish, a quiet disgruntling of devs, some free marketing from the tech press and leverage. Epic weren't stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds it but if it won and could either charge outside the app store or open its own store, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo would have no leg to stand on maintaining their own closed market.
Epic actually makes some solid points on the hypocrasy of having an open OS like Mac OS and simultaneous closed OS like iOS and trying to justify the existence of both.
The courts were right to throw out Epic's case because the whole thing was a ruse.
In 2018-19 Fortnite on iOS accounted for 7% of overall revenue. The PS4 accounted for a whopping 47% of their $1.8bn revenue for that year. Based on a 30% cut from Sony and Apple that meant contributions of $38m to Apple and $260m to Sony. Projections for 19/20 meant a drop to 5% of revenue for iOS. Source
So why go after Apple when they gave more money to Sony? Its a combination of Apple being the biggest fish, a quiet disgruntling of devs, some free marketing from the tech press and leverage. Epic weren't stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds it but if it won and could either charge outside the app store or open its own store, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo would have no leg to stand on maintaining their own closed market.
I'd also be curious to know how much money Epic makes from those Fortnite gift cards that I see everywhere in retail stores.
I'm sure Walgreens gets some sort of cut... but it can't be the same 30% that stores like Apple, Google, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo charge.
Offline purchases for the win!
And what do you know about that? Eu companies are regulated equally. Same with VW, or what do you think they can do that is companies can’t?
And Apple's rebuttal will be "Epic are now streaming fortnight directly to iOS users"....see, we told you that there are ways to access iOS customers outside the App Store, despite Epic's claim to the contrary.
/Epic shooting self in foot....again.
/Epic shooting self in foot....again.
According to some digging, between 5% and 10% goes to the retailer. That means Epic at worst keep 90% of the value of a Fortnite gift card if redeemed directly through them.I'd also be curious to know how much money Epic makes from those Fortnite gift cards that I see everywhere in retail stores.
I'm sure Walgreens gets some sort of cut... but it can't be the same 30% that stores like Apple, Google, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo charge.
Offline purchases for the win!
Sure. Stream apps
Streaming Xbox games are extremely expensive. And falls within Xbox rules.
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