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Epic Games Says Court 'Reached the Wrong Answer' and Made 'Multiple Legal Errors' in Apple Fight
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Epic will keep on objecting. It will not be coming back to the App Store anytime soon.
The Mac and IPhone are not the same Epic. If my Mac gets a virus or malware, I can fix it easily. If my iphone gets compromised, its not an easy fix and I’m screwed. Even if Apple is forced to allow other companies App Stores on the iphone, I will never buy a single app from them.
I still remember when Epic did the Anti-Apple campaign in Fortnite with the video and such making them look as the good guys so all the kids would rage against Apple for removing the game from the store (When it was Epic fault in the first place for breaking the contract)
It was hilarious.
Epic Games doesn't care at all about their iOS users or anyone else, they just do this for their own sake.
This case can go like this forever... Apple knows very well how to play his cards and they have a lot of influence, maybe in ten years or so we will know the final veredict but at this point Epic already lost the case (And they want to do the same with Google lol)
It was hilarious.
Epic Games doesn't care at all about their iOS users or anyone else, they just do this for their own sake.
This case can go like this forever... Apple knows very well how to play his cards and they have a lot of influence, maybe in ten years or so we will know the final veredict but at this point Epic already lost the case (And they want to do the same with Google lol)
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Wait. How can this article be true? According to some of the "experts" in this forum, Epic won the lawsuit in the first place.
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Why doesnt he release his own phone and convince every-gamer to use that phone, why convince Apple to change its policy ? I dont want to use other app stores. Apple has a strict policy of not tracking and not letting other apps to track you. I like that, if one likes to be tracked they are on Android.
What's the fun in that? It is fun if Apple is pushed from its high-horse. The day is not so far off when Apple will be paying developers to put their apps on its Appstore. Lol!
If Epic were to release their own phone that becomes more popular than the iPhone, that WOULD push Apple from their high-horse.
Why get into a business that is not their core competency when they can get Apple to do what they want for fun.
I mean, if you think that no phone will ever be better than the iPhone I guess that’s an opinion.Why get into a business that is not their core competency when they can get Apple to do what they want for fun.
It is not even the best now.
Samsung’s Galaxy S20 Ultra tops new US customer satisfaction chart, T-Mobile beats Verizon
Despite its advanced age, the Galaxy S20 Ultra remains America's favorite smartphone, ahead of the LG Aristo 3 (?!) and iPhone 11 Pro Max.
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Why would I develop a phone when I get Apple to do what I want?
It is this rationale that actually makes it logical for Apple to compete with other developers. Think about it - you wouldn't want Spotify to be the only music streaming service in town, because then they get way too much leverage (such as threatening to pull users from the platform if Apple is unwilling to make certain concessions for them).
Apple likely saw the writing on the wall a long time ago, and has moved to ensure that it remains bigger than any one app or service in the App Store. That is perhaps one of the smartest things Apple has ever done. I would sooner lose access to google services on my iOS devices than switch to an android device. That's how married I am to the apple ecosystem, and I want every developer in the world to know this. You can choose not to support the Apple platform, and it just means you lose me (and hundreds of millions of other people like me) as a potential customer
Consequently, by having their own streaming service, Apple is like "By all means, leave the platform if you so dare. More subscribers for me". Spotify loses their biggest bargaining chip.
Same thing with Apple Arcade, where in theory, Apple could, like you said, pay developers to offer their games on the Apple Arcade service, while also making it available to users behind a paywall. If Apple can survive the loss of Fortnite (not least because games are easily the most replaceable), it can survive anything.
Just like how Apple replicates so many popular competing services from Maps to Siri to iCloud, because it's always safer to rely on your own infrastructure rather than a third party who can always pull the rug from under you at any time.
There also used to be a time when Netflix seemed indispensable and people were saying that Apple would be in trouble if Netflix ever decided to leave the platform. Now, there actually seems to be an exodus of users from Netflix, while Apple's own video streaming platform is slowly but surely gaining popularity because of the higher quality of shows found within.
In fact, a lot of "must have" apps like Facebook, Netflix and google turned out to not be so indispensable after all. Or in the very least, it seems like these companies need the iOS platform (and the value of the consumers) more than iOS needs them. As evidenced by google paying Apple to keep search default in their safari browser.
The absence of Office on the iPad wasn't enough to put a dent in its popularity, nor has it helped sales of windows tablets.
In the past, there weren't enough developers in the App Store. Currently, I feel the problem is the precise opposite. There are so many apps in the App Store right now that honestly, you could delete half of them and I would probably applaud at Apple "cleaning house" and removing the crappier apps that are simply crowding out the better ones and making it harder to locate them.
If it's a fight they want, it's a fight they will get.
If it happens.It is not even the best now.
Samsung’s Galaxy S20 Ultra tops new US customer satisfaction chart, T-Mobile beats Verizon
Despite its advanced age, the Galaxy S20 Ultra remains America's favorite smartphone, ahead of the LG Aristo 3 (?!) and iPhone 11 Pro Max.
Why would I develop a phone when I get Apple to do what I want?
Samsung has repeatedly not pushed Apple from their high horse. Over and over. This is guaranteed to be no different.It is not even the best now.
Samsung’s Galaxy S20 Ultra tops new US customer satisfaction chart, T-Mobile beats Verizon
Despite its advanced age, the Galaxy S20 Ultra remains America's favorite smartphone, ahead of the LG Aristo 3 (?!) and iPhone 11 Pro Max.
Why would I develop a phone when I get Apple to do what I want?
Exactly, why should Spotify go to Android to beat Apple. Stay on iOS and beat Apple at its own game by ensuring all the support systems Apple built for itself by abusing its gatekeeper status are removed so that it can no longer use these as crutches to compete. Now Apple music will become one app among the many. The time has come for Apple to create the best apps to remain at the top rather than abuse its position as gatekeeper to stay relevant. Exciting times for Apple customers as Apple is now being forced to compete. You will appreciate it because Apple is at its best when it competes on merit. Win-win for all.
I already prefer Apple Music over Spotify, not least because Apple isn't being distracted by trying to run an ad-supported podcast platform and propping up Joe Rogan. I will say the competition is doing a mighty fine job of tripping themselves up without Apple having to do anything extra, between questionable business decisions and the lack of a sustainable business model in general.
Let us see how sustainable Apple's business model is once it is in a position where it can no longer abuse its position as gatekeeper.
It depends on what is being measured and who is doing the measuring. The ACSI is not transparent about it's measurements and iphone usually comes out on top in JD Power. But it's a good internet talking point as Samsungs revenue on phones pales compared to Apple. They do sell more phones, but more cheap phones.
Let's see how sustainable any business model is when you can stop the bad guys from developing scam apps, malware apps etc. But Apple will still rake in mega-profits as they are developing services that aren't dependent on revenue from an app store.
Didn't Spotify already win? They have twice as many paid subscribers as Apple Music. Apple will never catch up.
And Spotify also has hundreds of millions of free users that Apple has no interest in pursuing.
So I'm having a hard time feeling like Apple is the bully here and that they should be regulated by the government.
And Spotify also has hundreds of millions of free users that Apple has no interest in pursuing.
So I'm having a hard time feeling like Apple is the bully here and that they should be regulated by the government.