Epic Games Sends Emails to Fortnite Players Blaming Apple for New Season's Unavailability

[ani4ani]

How? If alternative stores are forced on Apple, how can someone have that same locked down experience and still get Fortnite? What about when Adobe decides to make their own store, how do you get Photoshop and keep that locked down experience? What happens when Epic buys exclusivity on new apps (like they do on PC with Borderlands 3) and you absolutely cannot get it if your phone is kept locked down?

This irrationality that another or several other means of downloading iOS apps is going to be some sort of security armageddon amazes me. The Apple store doesn't go away; if you want to only download there, you would be free to do so. Others who fancy it or are not concerned wth the supposed risk would be free to use their choice.

The REAL reason Apple doesn't allow this, is that they know the costs of hosting would be driven down and their cut reduced significantly or they know AAA apps would be elsewhere and wouldn't be available in the Apple App store if there was somewhere else to get them.

 

[laptech]

Another way to think about this:

If Apple kicks you off iOS, are you just sitting there thinking "There is no way I can get my mobile app to people"? No, there is Android.

If Walmart will not sell your peanut butter, are you sitting there thinking "there is no way I can get people to buy my peanut butter"?. No there is Target.

So no there is not only one App Store in existence. What people are comparing here is, wanting Target branded products in a Walmart. Wait, isn't that itself anti-competitive? Walmart has no Target branded products in the store.

Again, you and many others are not understanding the problem because you keep on using the same incorrect analogy which in doing so proves you and others with the same views and opinion as you do not understand the problem. There is no point in trying to explain the issue to people who are just not capable of understanding what is being said to them.

 

[I7guy]

This irrationality that another or several other means of downloading iOS apps is going to be some sort of security armageddon amazes me. The Apple store doesn't go away; if you want to only download there, you would be free to do so. Others who fancy it or are not concerned wth the supposed risk would be free to use their choice.

The REAL reason Apple doesn't allow this, is that they know the costs of hosting would be driven down and their cut reduced significantly or they know AAA apps would be elsewhere and wouldn't be available in the Apple App store if there was somewhere else to get them.

There is enough discussion to know that some don't agree that the platform might be sent on a downward spiral. It's a matter of opinion as to what will happen or not. It's not just a matter of the cost of hosting, programming, maintenance etc, that is at issue here. It's the veracity of the platform.

 

[Ethosik]

Again, you and many others are not understanding the problem because you keep on using the same incorrect analogy which in doing so proves you and others with the same views and opinion as you do not understand the problem. There is no point in trying to explain the issue to people who are just not capable of understanding what is being said to them.

It's not helpful people here are stating that the iOS App Store is the only App Store on the planet. Android exists people.

 

[Fahad.sul3man]

it’s ok when apple bends rules for amazon prime but not for epic because amazon is a big dog and apple doesn’t want to F with big bubba. It just baffles me how many people here just defend apple and its absolutely ridiculous shenanigans. Well, karma is a bitch I hope apple gets what it tries to toss around soon.

 

[SqB]

it’s ok when apple bends rules for amazon prime but not for epic because amazon is a big dog and apple doesn’t want to F with big bubba. It just baffles me how many people here just defend apple and its absolutely ridiculous shenanigans. Well, karma is a bitch I hope apple gets what it tries to toss around soon.

Apple didn't bend the rules for Amazon Prime. That same deal is written into the TOS and is available for any other company that meets the same criteria.

 

[bousozoku]

People who buy iPhones have more money. And they have no problem spending it on nonessential things (otherwise they would buy ****** Android devices that get the job done). It's really simple.

People on iOS spend more on real-world goods too. As you know, Apple doesn't control these payments, so trust certainly plays no role there, everything goes through the same PSPs on all platforms. But again, because people on iOS are generally well-off, they don't mind paying a bit more for everything, including online groceries, more expensive products on Amazon, Hello Fresh subscriptions etc.

When I see high-end Android-based devices, it's usually something from Samsung. I don't see any Razer, Asus, or Acer game-oriented phones, nor do I see a OnePlus device. Most I see are 3 year old free or almost free Android-based devices, but that could just be me. I see a lot of phones every day, though.

 

[bousozoku]

it’s ok when apple bends rules for amazon prime but not for epic because amazon is a big dog and apple doesn’t want to F with big bubba. It just baffles me how many people here just defend apple and its absolutely ridiculous shenanigans. Well, karma is a bitch I hope apple gets what it tries to toss around soon.

I don't like the 30%--15% should be plenty by now, but I also don't think that breaking your contract by doing what you want is okay, either. Epic Games should be going after Google and Microsoft and Sony and Valve, the way it's going after Apple. Oh, they don't want to F with them and find themselves without any platforms.

 

[SqB]

Again, you and many others are not understanding the problem because you keep on using the same incorrect analogy which in doing so proves you and others with the same views and opinion as you do not understand the problem. There is no point in trying to explain the issue to people who are just not capable of understanding what is being said to them.

You saying the analogy isn't correct doesn't make it incorrect. Allowing other app stores will absolutely break an operating system that was designed around the concept of a restricted, managed and curated app store. People will write garbage code, crappy ux, malware, and other garbage and load it up with impunity. Saying "you don't have to download it" is a great argument until you put this stuff in the hands of the millions of people who expect things to "just work" and click on whatever link their family members or boss sends them.

So what's the solution, now I have to run antimalware (performance/memory/storage hit)? I have to forgo free customer service at the Apple store (why should they fix stupid they didn't create)?

Nobody on the iOS platform needs to be liberated. There are no long-suffering masses with no options or alternatives.

If you don't like the way the company does business, don't buy their products.

#dontandroidmyiphone

 

[Apple_Robert]

Epic trying to play victim isn’t accurate nor admirable. It is deceitful.

 

[SqB]

I have this one bit of technology in my life and my families life that I don't have to futz with, fix or worry about. Not for myself, not for my kids, not for my parents who can barely see the screens. It's because, it's nearly impossible for them to get themselves into any trouble with their iOS devices. They can't download malware, they don't get apps that promise to do things that they don't, things just tend to work. Please don't ruin it.

If you want open app stores, please for the sake of those of us who have to fix broken crap all day at work, just be happy with your android devices and leave iOS alone.

 

[Fahad.sul3man]

Apple didn't bend the rules for Amazon Prime. That same deal is written into the TOS and is available for any other company that meets the same criteria.

If that’s the case epic wouldn’t be in this crap, as I said stop defending apple , it’s just beyond ridiculous now.

 

[SqB]

If that’s the case epic wouldn’t be in this crap, as I said stop defending apple , it’s just beyond ridiculous now.

I’m not defending Apple. I’m defending my choices.
...and yes, it is the case. Look it up before you spout nonsense. It’s a different scenario than Epic and should not be used as a comparison.

 

[MalkieSans]

I am with Epic 110% on this. Fair play to them, and I hope they win the war.

 

[123]

You made a claim that was valid in 2018, not 2020. And based off that claim was attached some hyperbole that couldn't possibly be proven. So if you can prove it please do so and spend the minute.

What hyperbole? Do you know the difference between statistics and single observations? My comments were in reply to a post claiming iOS users spend more on the App Store than Android users on the Play Store. Which is true, and it doesn't mean every iOS user spends more than every single Android user. Do you understand that? That's how language works, the average is implied. And also how not to be an idiot by purposefully misrepresenting what others are saying.

Similarly, my comment that iOS devices are a wealth indicator and iOS users spend more on real-life goods are also statistical averages. It doesn't mean no rich person uses Android or no not-so-well-off person has an iPhone.

I really fail to see the contention here. You have one brand which only sells high quality devices in the high-end sector and decent but overpriced devices in the mid-range, and nothing in the lower end. On the other hand, you have dozens of Android devices and even entire brands targeted exclusively at the cheap end (quality and price). Why would anyone expect people who buy junk devices to spend the same amounts on in-app and real-life goods as people who have no problem paying luxury/usability/quality premiums (read: on average). That's just basic economy.

Regarding 2018 vs. 2020: don't you need to laugh about yourself when you make such hillarious statements?

 

[I7guy]

What hyperbole? Do you know the difference between statistics and single observations? My comments were in reply to a post claiming iOS users spend more on the App Store than Android users on the Play Store. Which is true, and it doesn't mean every iOS user spends more than every single Android user. Do you understand that? That's how language works, the average is implied. ...... misrepresenting what others are saying.

I edited out the ad-hom. This is what you wrote.

"People who buy iPhones have more money. And they have no problem spending it on nonessential things (otherwise they would buy ****** Android devices that get the job done). It's really simple."

Some citations were posted that applied to the year 2018. The premise, iphone users have more money, does not follow to the fallacy that is your conclusion, because it does not take into account the different style and capabilities. It's just some made up stuff. You're look at the common denominator, check email and check facebook, not the differentiators within the platforms themselves. With that logic a Ferrari and Honda Civic can do the same thing, move people from point a to b. In fact the Civic is better...it seats 4.

Similarly, my comment that iOS devices are a wealth indicator and iOS users spend more on real-life goods are also statistical averages. It doesn't mean no rich person uses Android or no not-so-well-off person has an iPhone.

This is a different statement than the above.

I really fail to see the contention here. You have one brand which only sells high quality devices in the high-end sector and decent but overpriced devices in the mid-range, and nothing in the lower end. On the other hand, you have dozens of Android devices and even entire brands targeted exclusively at the cheap end (quality and price). Why would anyone expect people who buy junk devices to spend the same amounts on in-app and real-life goods as people who have no problem paying luxury/usability/quality premiums (read: on average). That's just basic economy.

Regarding 2018 vs. 2020: don't you need to laugh about yourself when you make such hillarious statements?

You tried to paint a broad stroke that fell flat because it does not take into account android devices that sell at the same high price or higher as iphones, like some Samsung devices and Huawei devices. So someone that buys a $2000 fold z statistically has less money or disposable income than some who buys an iphone se? The market is different in 2020, something you seemingly failed to take into account. https://www.investopedia.com/managing-wealth/most-expensive-cell-phones/

Take about "hilarious" statements.

 

[123]

In fact the Civic is better...it seats 4.

what?

 

[123]

This is a different statement than the above.

It's the ability to communicate. If you are unable to even read basic stuff between the lines, it's your problem, not mine.

 

[cmaier]

What if that walled community only allowed certain restaurants that paid the development company 30% to deliver food to you and didn't allow the restaurant to tell you that you can come and pick up the food yourself if you wanted?

They also don't allow certain categories of "restaurants" into their app store walled community because they want to be able to review and approve all the menu items they offer.

That's Apple right now.

Like every mall ever?

 

[123]

ecause it does not take into account android devices that sell at the same high price or higher as iphones, like some Samsung devices and Huawei devices

No, I understand averages. It doesn't matter that there are expensive Android phones. The original statent was about iOS users spending more on the App Store than Android users on the Play Store. Obviously, such averages contain Android users from the entire spectrum and are not purchase-power corrected or weighted by device brand/class.

 

[I7guy]

It's the ability to communicate. If you are unable to even read basic stuff between the lines, it's your problem, not mine.

It’s the ability to post a cogent argument. Not a verbal mish-mosh of opinions.

No, I understand averages. It doesn't matter that there are expensive Android phones. The original statent was about iOS users spending more on the App Store than Android users on the Play Store. Obviously, such averages contain Android users from the entire spectrum and are not purchase-power corrected or weighted by device brand/class.

No this may have had a grain of truth in 2018. The only citations from another poster were about buying tech. 2020 the landscape has changed with this regard.

I agree the iOS App Store is profitable and probably more profitable by certain metrics than google play.

 

[Fahad.sul3man]

I’m not defending Apple. I’m defending my choices.
...and yes, it is the case. Look it up before you spout nonsense. It’s a different scenario than Epic and should not be used as a comparison.

Nice one , Keep on supporting apples monopoly and favouritism 👍

 

[cmaier]

This irrationality that another or several other means of downloading iOS apps is going to be some sort of security armageddon amazes me. The Apple store doesn't go away; if you want to only download there, you would be free to do so. Others who fancy it or are not concerned wth the supposed risk would be free to use their choice.

This is a lie.

Right now, iOS prevents apps that are not signed with approved cryptographic signatures from running.

If apple allows other app stores, then that means iOS has to allow apps to run even if they are not signed with signatures that apple’s servers confirm are legitimate. That means there is now an attack vector - even if signatures are still required, the iphone has no way of knowing whether the signature is ”approved” or faked, or from a certificate that got revoked, or whatever.

Allowing third party app stores means that people who have no interest in third party app stores are less safe.

 

[cmaier]

Nice one , Keep on supporting apples monopoly and favouritism 👍

1) it’s not a monopoly
2) who cares if apple has favorites. I have favorites. Does that make me a bad person? This “favoritism” argument is the stupidest argument on the apple-internet. “They don’t treat everyone equally.” Why the hell should they?

 

[SqB]

Nice one , Keep on supporting apples monopoly and favouritism 👍

I just don’t know how more clearly I can explain that this isn’t a monopoly. Apple does not make the only cellular telephone. Apple does not make the only smart device. Apple doesn’t even have overwhelming market share in this space.
No one is in a position of being forced to use an Apple device due to lack of other options.
Either you are obstinately misinformed or a troll. Either way, I really need to stop having internet arguments so shame on me for engaging.